Subject: problem with sticky notes in Diigo 3.1.6.13 added to Firefox 3.0.6.

Magnolia South wrote:

> I cannot get the sticky note to work most of the time. It will not
> allow me to type anything in the box (if it does, it does not save
> the text)

> then after I delete it (because it's useless if I can't type on
> it) to try again I cannot add another one. Instead, I get a ghost
> blank sticky on every newly opened tab until I close Firefox.

> When it does work, there is a drop down box that says private. If
> I click on it, I get no other options. I cannot select Public
> because it isn't given.

Annotations under
http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/bookmark/tag/41266 show that my first use of Firefox 3.0.6 with Diigo 3.1.6.13 _failed_ in Windows XP.

Mac OS X 10.5.6 and Ubuntu 8.10 passed first time.

Subsequent uses of Diigo in Windows XP seem OK.

Magnolia South, please:

* what's your operating system, and version?

Maybe the problems are worked around by any/all of the following:

* reload the page
* clear the cache of Firefox
* clear other caches
* exit from Firefox
* log off from Windows XP
* shut down.

Regards
Graham

Subject: Windows Vista problems with highlights and sticky notes in Diigo 3.1.6.13 added to Firefox 3.0.6.

Magnolia South wrote:

> I'm sorry but none of those suggestions have helped. I have Vista installed.

Searches of the forum find a few problems reported by users of Vista:
http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/tag/Vista
http://groups.diigo.com/search_topics?group_name=Diigo_HQ&what=vista

http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/41114 recently concluded a conflict with a theme.

in Firefox: have you installed any themes other than the default?

In Firefox: have you any add-ons other than Diigo?

> How many people work at Diigo?

http://www.diigo.com/about

Subject: disaster recovery

> distributed storage

I found what I was looking for. Probably best suited to a different topic,
http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/7387
(but still related to backup) …

> knowing a bit more about the company.

http://blog.diigo.com/2008/05/14/diigos-development-temporarily-interrupted-by-the-79-magnitude-earthquake/ helps to paint a picture, geographically.

> disaster recovery

http://www.diigo.com/04rw8 is interesting. I don't equate scheduled maintenance and/or major upgrades with disaster recovery but still, this blog entry, and its updates, demonstrate a structured approach to resumption of free services.

Nice mock up :)

Four or more additional considerations:

1. share to a group should present suggestions based on the group tag dictionary

2. share to a group might present yet more suggestions based on the tags of group members that are not included within the dictionary

3. dialogue might invite user to add to multiple lists

4. dialogue might invite user to add to multiple groups

- all of which in combination could mean, a whole lotta stuff in a single dialogue ;)

AFAIR Natetronn (Nate) Jackson offered a mock up that demonstrated options 3 and 4.

Need to think ahead about how much can/should be squeezed into the bookmark dialogue.

Risk of the mass not fitting within the display of, say, an Eee PC.

I'm still tending towards keeping it simple/essential at time of bookmarking, refining after the event.

Best,
Graham

Postscripts: tidying, completion of unfinished sentences, words were missing etc.

> one button … Click once … double click … right click

I wonder about accessibility.

Not knocking the ideas :)

Just kicking the ball around.

-
Postscript: sorry! I strayed way beyond your subject line

> Better tagging suggestions suggestion

My thoughts (completely different) are now in a separate topic,
http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/a-faster-more-compact-dialogue-41261

Both http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/bookmark/tag/tag and http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/bookmark/tag/tagging are relatively sparse at the moment, those of you with an interest in tagging might like to tag relevant bookmarks with one or both of tag and tagging:)

Please:

1. which version of Diigo?

- the Mozilla site offers an old version

2. what's your browser, and version?

3. what's your operating system, and version?

Is the bug limited to your sent copy of the message?

(Does the addressee receive their copy?)

Previously reported problems with sent messages include
http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/8758 and
http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/9010#2

> posts at the Mozilla extension page

Such posts may be unreliable;
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2792 is currently limited to
3.1.5.7
which I guess was deprecated long ago.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/reviews/display/2792
first mention of bog relates to old 3.1.5.7 not to up-to-date 3.1.6.13

Daniel, please, can you offer:

* your version of Firefox
* your operating system and version

Thanks
Graham

Suggestion:

1. create for yourself a Diigo list named 'excellent'

2. whenever you encounter an excellent site, add it to that list.

Elsewhere in this forum, plenty of discussion of rank, rate, thumbs up, vote et cetera at
http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/vote-feature-415

Regards
Graham

sussex cdec wrote:

> From my tagroll, if you click on any phrase (ie a tag with more
> than one word ) you get a 'no bookmarks tagged ..." response.

@ Darren

Is my November 2008 bug report
http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/8498
a duplicate of, or overlapping with, your July report?

(Sorry for any duplication.)

> we joined all our multiple word tags together with hyphens!

I did the same for a while.

Syntax for boolean searches based on tags may require special thought from Diigo so that
hyphen
is not misinterpreted as
not

> consensus

Considering the many other topics (including import, export and interop) that relate to tagging, I'd say:

* no consensus.

Diigo team are working towards the next version of Diigo.

Subject: Search Group Topics: results should include tags that match the search string

aaron tay wrote:

> 1. Tag

See for example
http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/search-group-topics-results-should-include-tags-that-match-the-search-string-9632

Subject: tag auto-completion

> * suggestions drop down below the text that I type in the Tags field
>
> * the more I type, the more refined the list of suggestions
>
> * I arrow down to the required suggestion …

Coincidentally demonstrated very nicely in the second of Sean's videos at
http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/multi-word-tags-need-some-love-41064#1

Thanks for summarising. I lose track!

soulgrind r wrote:

> Hope that helps...

Definitely. I doubt that I'll remember the oddities and exceptions but it's very helpful to know that I'm not the only one confused at times :)

Poor Aaron. So many answers to a seemingly simple question!

Test relating to bug report http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/toolbar-bookmark-this-trims-url-3984

Does the absence of the solidus (slash) affect the functionality of the site when you follow the bookmark?

1. scroll to the foot of a long Diigo list

2. click Edit for any bookmark near the foot

= Bug =

Edit dialogue does not appear.

= Workaround =

Scroll up towards the top of the window.

The following screen shot is a PNG produced from a PDF produced by Saft:



(My display is not that tall :)

Safari 3.2.1 (5525.27.1), Mac OS X 10.5.6, Intel.

Diigo users are reminded of this dedication to the public domain in the web site footer(s) at groups.diigo.com, message.diigo.com and www.diigo.com

1. visit a page never before visited

2. apply a highlight

3. Diigo describes the highlight as private

= BUG =

4. about.diigo.com for the page reveals your private highlights to the public.

AFAIR this bug is a regression.

My normal route to discussing any privacy issue is, the foot of the page:

> Terms of Service |
> Privacy |
> © Diigo Inc 2008 -- User-posted content, unless source quoted, is
> licensed under a Creative Commons Public Domain License

- which leads to an e-mail address for Diigo.

On this occasion the issue is already in the public forum so it's reasonable to continue here.

> AFAIR this bug is a regression.

@ Diigo

I checked my notes from around 17th-20th December, the example that was offered (and rapidly fixed) then was slightly different from the current examples.

So: not a regression, but still a privacy bug in Diigo's description of highlights.

All things considered, I suggest:

1. address the most common cause of inappropriate publicity, topic 9588, currently uppermost at
http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/tag/priority

2. stop trying/failing to abstract a potentially *broad and complex subject* (private, public, and the gamut of sharing and other options in between) within something as *small and simple* as a highlight.

3. instead of complicating the highlight, tend towards an about.diigo.com service that's more comprehensive and user-friendly:

- logically, the user should learn _about_ the state of their annotations etc. at an _about_ page :)

An HTML version of http://tools.ietf.org/rfcmarkup?doc=1855 that does not lend itself to Diigolet 3.1b506

Diigo search menu customisation is:

* not limited to Diigo toolbar
* not limited to Firefox, Flock or Internet Explorer.

Using Safari to search My Bookmarks can be as simple as A-B-C:

a. command-L (shortcut to search field)

b. type a word or two or more

c. keyboard shortcut to search.

---

Below, two examples of strings that can be specified in Inquisitor.

Top three results from My Bookmarks at www.diigo.com
+ invitation to view the next three from My Bookmarks
+ invitation to view all from My Bookmarks
- not including group bookmarks at groups.diigo.com
- not including group fora at groups.diigo.com
- not including messages at message.diigo.com
- not including people at www.diigo.com
+ plus ten results from google.com
+ plus advertisements by Google
http://www.diigo.com/search/g?cx=partner-pub-7625644023173335%3Agqffh9-8lvc&cof=FORID%3A9&ie=UTF-8&q=%@


Top three results from My Bookmarks in Diigo
+ invitation to view the next three from My Bookmarks
+ invitation to view all from My Bookmarks
- no advertisements
- no results from google.com
- other exclusions described in the first example
+ invitation to gain more results from google.com
http://www.diigo.com/search/g?cx=partner-pub-7625644023173335%3Agqffh9-8lvc&ie=UTF-8&q=%@


= References =

Google Custom Search Beta
http://www.google.com/coop/cse/

Diigo search menu customisation
http://www.diigo.com/customize_search

The two examples above are experiments, nothing more, based on the Diigo default for Diigo & Google.

A screen shot of my Inquisitor search preference, with shortcut:

1. UK google.co.uk is better for me, I wonder how to vary the US examples above.

2. A few of the products that allow you to customise search behaviour in your browser:

Inquisitor
http://www.inquisitorx.com/

Saft
http://haoli.dnsalias.com/Saft/

Glims
http://www.machangout.com/

@ Diigo

Assuming the future possibility of Diigo-related local caching of content, to suit users/groups for whom remote storage is either non-preferred or explicitly disallowed:

My gut feelings at the moment:

* caches should be files in the file system

* do not include such objects in a database

* do use a database, probably SQLite for metadata relating to those objects

* respecting the relationship between (a) database and (b) its objects on the file system:

- user processes _may have_ read privilege for the file system objects

- user processes _must not have_ write privilege for the file system objects

* database process _must have_ read and write privileges for the file system objects

* ACL should grant read privilege to a group that comprises UIDs relating to backup processes

* ACL should grant read privilege to a group that comprises UIDs relating to index/search-related processes.

Et cetera, that's thrown together quickly from a UNIX/Mac perspective but should translate well to Linux and Windows platforms.

A request for status of Apple Bug 6436020 may lead to knowledge (not necessarily public) of when Linux and Windows will support WebArchive format. Open source, presumably.


= Notes =

Meaningful notes to follow ;)

In the meantime, keywords (mostly notes to self):

* Plone CMS, ZODB, BLOB, /filestorage /blobstorage and mode 700
* Chandler Desktop, Berkeley DB (BDB)
* file system object proliferation, cross-platform WebArchive
* Spotlight, Windows Search 4.0
* FUSE, backups
* iCal metadata as files in the file system
* SQLite, multiple applications, Sophos Anti-Virus on-access scanning, lock issues?


= Recommended reading =

http://www.diigo.com/04pv5 highlights only


= Further reading =

http://webkit.org/
http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Cocoa/Reference/WebKit/Classes/WebArchive_Class/Reference/Reference.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webkit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Type_Identifier
http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2005/04/macosx-10-4.ars/11
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/940157/en-us

> when Linux and Windows will support WebArchive format. Open source, presumably.


- already supported in Windows
- I haven't tested WebKit on Linux.

Subject: WebArchive format

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webarchive is updated to reflect the growing range of applications, including Safari 4 for Windows, that support the format.

http://www.wuala.com/grahamperrin/public/2009/06/25/webarchive/ for a glimpse of how a variety of applications work seamlessly with WebArchive files.

WebArchive and other classes within open source WebKit

Next step: see what's possible on Linux…

Example:
http://help.diigo.com/How-To_Guide/Sticky_Notes#Private_vs._Public

> only with certain people

1. visit that person's profile

- for example, if you find the person in this forum,
click the avatar to the left of their name

- (in a the forum, refrain from a clicking the person's name;
for many a group member, this is a bugged)

2. click Friend request

3. within your request, include a brief note explaining
why you request their friendship

- increases the likelihood of a response

4. after they accept your request, you can send to them.

http://help.diigo.com/How-To_Guide/Managing_Bookmarks#Pull_Down_Menus

In practice, I don't use Diigo messaging to send bookmarks, it's bugged:

http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/9010#2

- your sent copy of the message may be without the bookmark

- making it difficult or impossible to recall what you sent.