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Diigo forum composition garbled if CAPTCHA is not matched - 664 views

started by Graham Perrin on 18 Oct 08 2 follow-ups, last by Graham Perrin on 31 Oct 08

#1 Graham Perrin on 18 Oct 08

Twice before successfully posting I apparently failed to match what was requested by the CAPTCHA.

(I'm 99% certain that in both cases I did make a correct entry, but that's a separate issue.)

= Bug =

Each time, my message composition was garbled.

Below, an example of the garbling.

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is fine in Firefox (where I made a highlight and gained the Annotated Link) but in Safari the response is:

> Sorry, the page you requested was not found.

> redirecting to original page:

and of greater concern:

* the redirect does _not_ occur.

Problem noted whilst reviewing my post to .

Am I impatient? Should I wait some time before sharing annotated links? If so, how long?

Please advise.

Thanks

Graham

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#2 Graham Perrin on 18 Oct 08

The garbling has been interpreted as excess white space. Here's the source:

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#4 Graham Perrin on 31 Oct 08

Joel Liu wrote:

> Got the problem. We will fix it soon.

I haven't noticed this issue in a while.

Fixed, I guess? - thanks!

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Diigo sidebar for Safari/WebKit - 1161 views

safari webkit suggestion review 20091130 gpd4

started by Graham Perrin on 16 Oct 08 3 follow-ups, last by Graham Perrin on 16 Dec 08

#1 Graham Perrin on 16 Oct 08

Whilst Safari may not lend itself to toolbars in the traditional sense, it may be possible to add sidebar features - comparable to those offered by Diigo toolbar for Firefox - to Safari and/or other WebKit-based browsers.

Diigo Sidebar | This URL | Annotations
is IMHO an aspect of Diigo with huge potential and it's this that I would like to be most prominent in a Safari sidebar.

Annotations are probably not used most effectively, at this time, by Diigo users; only because people aren't drawn to the annotations interface with sufficient ease/immediacy. The three steps is debatably a disincentive.

Exemplary approaches to sidebars in Safari include those found here:

FWIW I make greatest use of Saft (though paradoxically, not the sidebar features of Saft; only because I have no need of them).

(Cross reference where David.P expresses a direct approach to the third step.)

See also open source-focused

Thanks for consideration.

Graham Perrin, Project/Media Development Officer
CENTRIM - the Centre for Research in Innovation Management

+44-1273-877922

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#2 Graham Perrin on 31 Oct 08

http://groups.diigo.com/collaboration/forum/topic/we-value-your-opinion-eu-survey-on-internet-based-collaboration-in-support-of-the-research-process-6471 highlights an

> EU survey on Internet-based collaboration in support of the research process

http://n2.nabble.com/Plone-and-QUALOSS---QUALity-in-Open-Source-Software-tp1402419p1402419.html demonstrates considerable EU interest in OSS

As Diigo is already recognised as an excellent tool for research and collaboration, I wonder whether any resource associated with those EU projects might be steered towards development of an open source approach to richer interaction between (a) Diigo and (b) WebKit-based browsers…

* Chrome
* Safari
* etc..

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#3 Graham Perrin on 01 Nov 08

> Exemplary approaches to sidebars in Safari include those found here:
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> See also open source-focused
…

I can't recall exactly the URLs that were lost from this thread but the main one would have been
http://haoli.dnsalias.com/Saft/index.html

OmniGroup are renowned for good use of UI features of Mac OS X - OmniWeb http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omniweb/ demonstrates sidebar thumbnails of tabs within a browser window - but that type of thing will be less portable to (say) Chrome.

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#4 Graham Perrin on 16 Dec 08

Subject: shifting focus away from the limited notion of a sidebar within WebKit-based browsers

For the record, my thoughts over the past two months have shifted:

* from integration (improvements that might be specific to Chrome or Safari)

* to complements (applications, services and widgets that should be more useful than a sidebar).

I use the expression 'widget' with hesitation. Related to widgets, there are a few preconceptions that should be set aside.

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For my own purposes: I'm now treating this topic as closed.

If any reader, now or in the future, wishes to pick up a sidebar-focused baton: please, go ahead :)

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Just want a direct public link to an annotated page - 191 views

TTW GUI Diigolet inconsistency suggestion

started by david-p on 18 Aug 08 5 follow-ups, last by Graham Perrin on 23 Nov 08

#8 Graham Perrin on 16 Oct 08

David expresses well what I have often thought.

The combination of Citebite and Diigo is a very useful workaround. Thanks!

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#10 Graham Perrin on 17 Oct 08

Joel Liu wrote:
> 1. You can get annotated link from toolbar : Diigo toolbar ==> Diigo buttons ==> This URL ==> Get Annotated link.

Not possible with Diigolet, to which I'm usually restricted.

> 2. We will try to figure out a better way to share and interact on annotation. Stay tuned.

Thanks!

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#11 Graham Perrin on 17 Oct 08

Joel Liu wrote:

> 1. You can get annotated link from toolbar : Diigo toolbar ==> Diigo buttons ==> This URL ==> Get Annotated link.

I don't find that feature in Diigo toolbar in Firefox 3.0.3.

Please, is it limited to Internet Explorer?

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#12 Graham Perrin on 17 Oct 08

Graham Perrin wrote:

>> 1. You can get annotated link from toolbar : Diigo toolbar ==> Diigo buttons ==> This URL ==> Get Annotated link.
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> I don't find that feature…

Confused because:

* I was focused on 'This URL' in Diigo sidebar

* the routine differs from what's described.

Diigo toolbar 3.1.6.2 added to Firefox 3.0.3 requires the following routine:

Diigo toolbar | Diigo menu | This URL | Get Annotated Link…

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#14 Graham Perrin on 17 Nov 08

In October, Joel Liu wrote:

> Did you find the diigo … on Diigo firefox toolbar?

I did indeed, thanks, and messages may have crossed paths.

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Remaining in this thread, I think that we have:

* my suggestion that Diigolet should allow users to 'Get annotated…'

* David P.'s suggestion that an initial view of an annotated page should be somehow anchored to the first visible annotation within that page (I'm paraphrasing).

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#15 Graham Perrin on 23 Nov 08

le torte wrote:

> Just got to your "My Bookmarks" page.
> Click on the "share this" option which is located under each bookmark.
> Choose the "get annotated link" option and diigo creates the link.

Unfortunately, not applicable to group bookmarks.

As my Diigo toolbar appears to be broken today (a separate topic), I find no easy way to get the links that I require.

+1 to reducing and rationalising the number of UIs to Diigo.

+1 to improving the Diigolet.

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what happened to the "Read Later" button? - 344 views

toolbar suggestion

started by Nick West on 23 Aug 08 10 follow-ups, last by anonymous on 06 Dec 08

#11 Graham Perrin on 13 Oct 08

jplumey wrote:

> I noticed that this feature is still missing.

I never noticed it missing. Is/was the issue specific to Internet Explorer?

I sometimes find that my Diigo Toolbar for Firefox preference to show the Quick Access Filter button* is lost, but a simple click on the Options button allows me to re-set that preference.

* What's described as a button ('Quick Access Filter') seems to equate to two menus (not a button) within the toolbar. That's not a complaint - both the 'Recent' and 'Unread' menus are enormously useful.

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#13 Graham Perrin on 08 Nov 08

Using Diigo 3.1.6.5 in Firefox 3.0.3:

1. click the menu triangle alongside the Bookmark button

2. select 'One-click Save Options…'

By grahamperrin

3. set your preference to 'Mark as unread'

By grahamperrin

4. click 'Save'.

From then on, until you clear your preference, the one-click save button will correspondingly mark as unread.

Regards
Graham

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#17 Graham Perrin on 03 Dec 08

> flexible and intuitive to address EVERYONE's desires. Make some of
> the Diigo tabs uneditable, but create a means to make new personal
> tabs

I have (had) different ideas for tabs … less focused on bookmarks, more about Diigo as a whole.

I rarely filter; I often search; I most often perform a range of actions (not always sequential) (often with a significant time gap between actions, but these gaps don't always equate to 'later'); and for actions, I like drag-and-drop. Everyone's moves may vary.

I wish to drag content to destinations, and where tabs and other GUI elements are present, my temptation is: drag to these elements.

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#18 Graham Perrin on 03 Dec 08

>> read it later

Focusing on this one feature, considering my current approach to Diigolet, I'd like … for the moment, let's call it: 'Laterlet' (that's a ridiculous name; call it whatever you like :)

Alongside my Diigolet at position #1 in my Bookmarks Bar

I place Laterlet in position 2, so I can

command-1 for Diigolet
command-2 to read later

and in response to comamnd-2 a discreet dialogue/signal appears, just briefly, confirming that my request was acknowledged.

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#19 Graham Perrin on 03 Dec 08

>> We plan to make read it later feature more easy to use and better
>> than before.

Ignore the words 'current Diigo WebSlide' at the core.

Defocus from the uppermost blob.

The five things remaining -
public, Diigo groups, Diigo friends, private, Diigo lists -
are the 'approaches' that I'm most likely to take with 'it' when I 'read it later'.

The rough sketch is

* loosely based on the few Diigo routines with which I'm familiar

* based on _assumptions_ about what's under the hood…

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#22 Graham Perrin on 03 Dec 08

> web environment and also looking ahead at hand held interfaces,
> these are not conducive to drag and drop functionality.

Drag, or drag and drop can be fine in web environments including some hand helds; http://www.diigo.com/user/grahamperrin/widgets (I'm disocvering) but (a) let's not be sidetracked by widgets and (b) my bookmarking there is not Diigo-specific.

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#25 Graham Perrin on 05 Dec 08

Joel Liu wrote:

> We plan to make read it later feature more easy to use and better
> than before. Any feature request and suggestion are welcome.

From Sean's comments, re-ordered slightly:

> 2) Read It Later integrates AideRSS …

Interesting. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AideRSS leads me to http://www.postrank.com/ and I'll do some reading.

> 3) … Google Reader … Work straight from GR …

Historically I haven't 'enjoyed' reading RSS but more recently, on the bus I have appreciated the RSS features of Apple Mail. Then (coincidence) in the last couple of days I have appreciated how Mail, how Google x, y and z can integrate _very_ neatly with another 'later-oriented' application/service combination that's a favourite of mine.

@ Sean: will you be happy for me to message you off-forum re: Google Reader + Gears? (What I have to ask may be fairly off-topic from Diigo Community.)

> 1) … reading list offline …

To me, off-line aspects are most interesting, in particular:

a) the things that _we do_ with our 'stuff' before, during and after our off-line time

b) the _services_ that we might like an application or service to perform for us (whilst _we do little or nothing_) before, during and after our off-line time

-- and preconceptions of both (a) and (b).

Thanks to some prompting from Scott Allam, I considered an existing application for iPhone, compared it with a more familiar desktop application that was behaving in iPhone-like ways long before iPhone was even rumoured, then took a trip to an online room -- a developer channel -- to chat about feasibility.

(Off-topic: an amusing experience; the visitor is greeted with profanity and despite the presence of hundreds of people, conversation was obtuse and (ahem) concise, so it took me over half an hour to gain an answer to a simple question. Somewhere between their obtuseness and my verbosity, there is A Happy Land. But I shouldn't complain; much was learnt :)

On-topic: I'll pose some questions about what you might/might not like about off-line experiences. Nothing too wordy, and yes/no answers should suffice :)

In the meantime: related to off-line, some in-forum references to Google Gears:

http://www.diigo.com/annotated/c98c4fb05f3487655836a2c9e34a27c5 (2007-09-24)
http://www.diigo.com/annotated/b937f7c09b50851f464766f425e9ec0e (2008-04-09)
http://www.diigo.com/annotated/7e1da199f8fcd971dfce4a3fd76bca28 (2008-11-23)

Postscript: corrections to grammar

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#33 Graham Perrin on 06 Dec 08

Joel Liu wrote:

> Hey Graham,
> With toolbar installed, you can drag and drop a URL to a quick
> access filter folder and it will be bookmarked automatically.

My use of Diigo Toolbar is extremely rare (I brushed the dust off only when I began to report issues; again, now, Firefox is gathering dust) but still:

* thanks, Joel -- other users will certainly
use and appreciate this tip :)

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#34 Graham Perrin on 06 Dec 08

Joel Liu wrote:

> Upgrade quick access filter feature

First, please:

* introduce the feature to a broader user base!

Using Diigolet, I don't see the feature.

My twopenneth :)

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#35 Graham Perrin on 06 Dec 08

Joel Liu wrote:

> 1. Filter by tag
> 2. Filter by List
> 3. Recent bookmarks
> 4. Filter by group.

> 7. Read it later ( Users can define the behavior of
> marking bookmarks in this folder as read, for example, whether
> remove the bookmark from server etc )
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> Users can create multiple folders of each kind.
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> Need your comments.
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> Thanks.

Sorry for going off on one earlier … through the web, I would definitely use most of the features suggested above.

> 5.Frequently access bookmarks folder

I'd probably not use this.

For anything to be found frequently, I'd use the search feature of Diigo (with some minor exceptions, some of which are reported, it _does_ fairly consistently find what I seek).

> 6. Folder for bookmarklet ( that means it can contain javascript )

Please, can you elaborate on that one? (A rough sketch maybe?)

Thanks
Graham

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#36 Graham Perrin on 06 Dec 08

> From my experience, it seems only few percent of
> people are using tab in My bookmark page. I am not sure how many
> people will use the user created tab feature even it is more powerful.

It took me a long time to discover the tabs under My Bookmarks for a number of reasons:

* tabs are too broadly separated from where tabs ought to be; too low
* ads should be to one side, never disrupting important navigation
* rows of tabs should not be separated by search box(es)
* tabs ought to be blue (signifying click-ability) but they're grey in a sea of blue
* et cetera.

More than anything: I have used My Bookmarks interface very little because I have made so much _more_ use of the Diigo Groups view of bookmarks; and in that view I have become accustomed to _not_ finding the features I want (so it's a pleasant surprise when I find the features present in My Bookmarks).

(Not forgetting that group-oriented features are relatively new additions to Diigo. Sorry for having moaned! :)

In any case, things shouldn't be judged on percentages alone ... cross-reference the topics that discuss rankings ;)

The under-used web interface may reflect the fact that it needs a little overhaul and rationalisation.

Best,
Graham

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Highlighting ineffective at a .txt page - 42 views

resolved

started by Graham Perrin on 23 Sep 08 no follow-up yet

idea: "like last bookmark" button - 72 views

adding bookmarks idea ideas toolbar

started by Soul Book on 16 Sep 08 no follow-up yet

#2 Graham Perrin on 21 Sep 08

+1 to that notion

and
+1 to having equivalent functionality in Diigolet.

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Diigo Toolbar 3.1.2 fails to install to Firefox 2.0.0.12 and Flock 1.1 on Mac OS X 10.5.2 - 57 views

resolved

started by Graham Perrin on 22 Mar 08 1 follow-up, last by Joel Liu on 23 Mar 08

#4 Graham Perrin on 23 Mar 08

Arrix Z wrote:

> Please check your permissions.

My application support folder for Firefox (and for Flock) was on an EncFS volume

lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 58 20 Mar 11:07 Firefox -> /Volumes/gjp22-private/Library/Application Support/Firefox
lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 56 20 Mar 11:07 Flock -> /Volumes/gjp22-private/Library/Application Support/Flock

> Can you install other extensions normally?

Yes.

If it's relevant, there's no Trash from EncFS; files are deleted immediately.

I have worked around by moving the two application support folders away from EncFS but it's the first time I've had a problem of this nature with Firefox extensions and EncFS.

Regards
Graham

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#5 Graham Perrin on 23 Mar 08

I wrote:

> the first time I've had a problem of this nature with Firefox extensions and EncFS.

After noting a problem with resource forks on the same EncFS volume, I realised that I may have been using a Tiger-oriented version of the EncFS binary following a recent upgrade to Leopard.

I'm now using EncFS for Leopard (EncFS-10.5-2.0.0.zip from
and
EncFS.Fusion 0.4.5 from
.

Since then, Diigo Toolbar 3.1.3 installed fine to both Firefox and Flock, using EncFS so

* you can treat this issue as resolved
* not an issue with Diigo.

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[macbookpro03-centrim:~] gjp22% ls -l ~/Library/Application\ Support/Firefox ~/Library/Application\ Support/Flock
lrwxrwxrwx 1 gjp22 staff 58 23 Mar 21:04 /Users/gjp22/Library/Application Support/Firefox -> /Volumes/gjp22-private/Library/Application Support/Firefox
lrwxrwxrwx 1 gjp22 staff 56 23 Mar 21:04 /Users/gjp22/Library/Application Support/Flock -> /Volumes/gjp22-private/Library/Application Support/Flock

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