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Graham Perrin

Using Google News, Diigo and Blogs for Current Events Classes | Screencast-O-Matic - 0 views

www.screencast-o-matic.com/...cj6FeDnjQ

gpd4

shared by Graham Perrin on 19 Jan 09 - Cached
  • Graham Perrin on 19 Jan 09
     
    http://beyond-school.org/2008/10/18/diigo-blogging-current-events/ for Clay Burell's alternative representation of this screencast.
Graham Perrin

Using Diigo Social Bookmarking as a Class Tool | Screencast-O-Matic - 3 views

www.screencast-o-matic.com/...ciQqFygX

Diigo Moodle scribe blog quiz test questions gpd4

shared by Graham Perrin on 19 Jan 09 - Cached
  • Graham Perrin on 19 Jan 09
     
    Using Diigo and Class Scribe Blogs to create quiz and test questions on Moodle
davido T

advanced search in User Forum, including Author? - 273 views

forum user forum
started by davido T on 31 Oct 07 no follow-up yet
Graham Perrin

Edit bookmark dialogue not working (not appearing) in Diigo list - 19 views

list www.diigo.com unread edit bug gpd4
started by Graham Perrin on 18 Jan 09 1 follow-up, last by Graham Perrin on 18 Jan 09
Graham Perrin

Annotations missing from annotated link view of cached page - 33 views

Get annotated Link Diigolet highlight annotation bug gpd4
started by Graham Perrin on 18 Jan 09 3 follow-ups, last by Graham Perrin on 27 Mar 09
Graham Perrin

containers, contents, domains, objects, views, layers, ACLs and other guesses - 30 views

groups.diigo.com www.digo.com list bookmark ACL UI object guess gpd4
started by Graham Perrin on 17 Jan 09 no follow-up yet
  • Graham Perrin
    #1 Graham Perrin on 17 Jan 09
     
    Scott Allam wrote:

    > I look at everything as containers and contents …

    > For example: Groups are containers. So are lists. When a group or
    > a list is private, any bookmark placed inside should default to
    > the attributes of its parent. So in that regard, I agree with
    > Graham (I think I am understanding his position on this matter). …

    I have two basic assumptions:

    1) about.diigo.com , groups.diigo.com , message.diigo.com , www.diigo.com
    and other diigo.com ¿subdomains? do not necessarily share the
    same technologies/qualities

    2) bookmarks, annotations and tags are objects.

    If the objects assumption is true: I don't know whether any/all such objects are contained within a database, or discrete in file systems.

    ACLs (access control lists)? I have no idea.

    My senses of acquisition and ineritance (not the same thing) are slanted by my very vague familiarity with ZODB. I occasionally glance at resources such as
    http://plone.org/documentation/glossary/acquisition
    http://wiki.zope.org/zope2/Acquisition
    http://www.zope.org/Documentation/Books/ZopeBook/2_6Edition/Acquisition.stx but my use (of Plone) doesn't require me to actually *know* such things.

    The slants and gaps in knowledge mean that my guesses could be completely wrong, but I do allow the guesses to stall me (believe it or not!) on a number of topics.

    Closing thoughts:

    * I do not encourage anyone else to share my guesses

    * I do not expect Diigo to confirm or correct any of what's above
    (APIs should be more interesting) (other quiet priorities are appreciated)

    * rewinding to a November expression: to avoid disappointment,
    at least for myself, I set no perceptions in stone.

    Incidentally, I do not think of a list as a container ;)
Graham Perrin

newline \n characters in title of Diigo bookmark - 14 views

bookmark newline escape bug gpd4
started by Graham Perrin on 17 Jan 09 no follow-up yet
aabb aabb

The last two days of added bookmarks can't be searched - 116 views

bookmark searching lists performance bug resolved
started by aabb aabb on 16 Jan 09 6 follow-ups, last by Joel Liu on 22 Jan 09
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Roger Gardner

Sharing a list with a group so that they can add bookmarks to the list - 676 views

lists groups sharing Diigolet suggestion educator help review
started by Roger Gardner on 16 Jan 09 3 follow-ups, last by anonymous on 20 Jan 09
  • Graham Perrin
    #5 Graham Perrin on 16 Jan 09
     
    > a group of students

    I guess that you're already aware of Diigo Educator Accounts,
    http://blog.diigo.com/2008/09/19/announcing-diigo-educator-accounts/

    > share and annotate bookmarks which are categorised in
    > lists. We're using groups

    Whilst Diigo groups don't have lists, you might populate group tag dictionaries e.g.
    http://groups.diigo.com/tag_mana/group_tag_dict?group_name=eatbath
    http://groups.diigo.com/tag_mana/group_tag_dict?group_name=edtechtalk
    http://groups.diigo.com/tag_mana/group_tag_dict?group_name=social-bookmarking-seminar-group
    with multiple-word tags that match the names of your required lists. I see that one of the dictionaries is already populated :)

    I understand that the notion of a group-specific list is appealing, and that tags are not a panacea, but please:

    * de-focusing for a moment from Diigo, and from computers generally, what end result(s) would you like your students to achieve?
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  • Graham Perrin
    #8 Graham Perrin on 19 Jan 09
     
    Subject: scope/applicability of group tag dictionary

    Hi Roger

    Apologies for a long answer. I suspect a mash in the pipeline but we (the community) might not mash it without some thinking out loud ...


    > I'm not sure that group tag dictionaries work with the Diigolet option.

    1) In Diigo 3.1.6.13 for Firefox: group tag dictionary entries make themselves obvious in some but not all types of Bookmark dialogue.



    In the edit bookmark dialogue above, there's evidence of the share with a group, but that group's dictionary is not offered; some additional clicks are required (aim to share where the share already exists) before the entries appear.

    2) In Diigolet 3.1b506 we have neither dictionaries of, nor suggestions for, tags.

    Concerning the absence of groups' dictionaries from Diigolet:
    I might have seen/noted that as a suggestion
    http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/tag/suggestion
    but I'm not a social tagger so I have paid little attention.

    I'm fairly certain that amongst the suggestions/discussions, there is acknowledgement from Diigo that the groups.diigo.com interface to bookmarks might be improved. (My twopenneth: an excellent web interface should allow Diigolet to remain uncluttered and responsive.)

    At the moment the 'More Actions…' menu is sparse and compared to 'My Bookmarks' there are fewer menus. Some of the absences are perfectly correct; a group is not an individual. If I find the relevant topic I might bump it or at least draw your attention.

    3) In Diigo groups fora: the tag dictionary is not applicable. The wish for this feature is acknowledged but in my own foraging through other groups' dictionaries (without privileges: the dictionaries can be viewed but not managed) I find very little evidence of groups bothering with tags.

    ---

    > many of our students use the Diigolet button as they are unable
    > currently to install the Diigo toolbar because of PCs on campus
    > being locked down.

    I don't know whether you (or your colleague, who originated the enquiry) might apply the keyword 'enterprise' to your campus PC environment, I used the keyword as a tag just once http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/tag/enterprise -- in that area, I do still have a sketch in mind but it probably will not materialise for a few weeks. Maybe Diigo 4 will greet us first :)

    ---

    All things considered it does seem most desirable, in your colleague's situation, to have group-defined lists.

    However I have this gut feeling that we're overlooking something. Probably a feature, or feature combination (mmmmmassh) that's not leaping out at us. Yet ...

    Best,
    Graham
  • Graham Perrin
    #9 Graham Perrin on 19 Jan 09
     
    Rewind :)

    > share a list with a group

    > view the bookmarks in the list

    > add new ones to that shared list

    > students share and annotate bookmarks which are categorised

    For a moment, let's forget the word 'list', focus on 'categories'.

    1. Are the categories pre-defined by the teacher?

    2. Is each category a starting point/guidline for the student, and beyond that starting point do the students have fairly free rein whilst annotating?

    For a moment, forget Diigo groups.

    3. Within the group (of students):

    a) are there sub-groups, one sub-group per category (of bookmarks)?

    or

    b) is the entire group studying/annotating all categories?

    ---

    Now: think Diigo + blog, and categories within a blog.

    https://secure.diigo.com/blog_this/daily_blog
    https://secure.diigo.com/blog_this/config
    - any group member (including the teacher) can
    produce, from the Diigo group, a draft within a blog.

    Would the teacher find it acceptable to periodically review the group's activities, and to categorise, within the blog setting?

    There's also the 'My Bookmarks' route to selecting and sending (drafting) to a blog.

    4. Should the categories that were predefined, near the beginning of a course/assignment, be overt in the end result?

    ======
    Moodle
    ======

    AFAIK Diigo does support MetaWeblog API.

    http://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=44172 concerns Moodle support for MetaWeblog but the answer to that point isn't given.

    (From your
    http://www.diigo.com/profile/gardnerr I guess Moodle.)

    Does Moodle support group blog approaches?
    (multiple user single blog) ... I wonder.

    http://www.screencast-o-matic.com/watch/ciQqFygX involves Moodle and Diigo but probably not in the required context.
  • Graham Perrin
    #12 Graham Perrin on 20 Jan 09
     
    @ Roger

    Your three paragraphs in comment #10 should be ideal food for Diigo if/when they review features of Educator accounts.

    With those paragraphs in mind, Scott's multiple groups approach (16th January comment #4 and today's #11) does seem to be the best workaround.

    @ Scott

    Thanks for the detailed second suggestion :)

    Cheers
    Graham
Richard Bernier

Manually sorting of lists - 88 views

lists sorting help suggestion search
started by Richard Bernier on 15 Jan 09 3 follow-ups, last by Graham Perrin on 28 Aug 09
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  • Graham Perrin
    #2 Graham Perrin on 15 Jan 09
     
    Hi Richard

    I find the opposite;

    * 'My Bookmarks' is a fixed order, by date, most recent at the head of the first page

    * within any list: a bookmark can be dragged and dropped, nudged one step up or down, nudged all the way to top or bottom.

    Regards
    Graham
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  • Graham Perrin
    #6 Graham Perrin on 17 Jan 09
     
    Richard Bernier wrote:

    > grab a list and move up or down.

    OK: the list of lists ('My Lists').

    > As it is now they are sorted by when I add them

    My list of lists is fixed order, but not by date; mine is alphabetical:
    http://www.diigo.com/list/grahamperrin
    and my view of yours
    http://www.diigo.com/list/Richbernier is similarly alphabetical (currently beginning with 01, ending with Library…).

    > I want some list to be listed higher than others because they are
    > more important. Think of browser bookmarks...you can grab a
    > bookmark or a folder and move it somewhere else. Make sense?

    Perfect sense.

    Question 1: is your wish to raise the level of a list:

    * for you

    or

    * for other viewers of your list of lists

    or

    * for all?

    Question 2: if at http://www.diigo.com/profile/richbernier you could present one, two, maybe three of your favourite lists, would that come close to your wish?

    Question 3: if Diigo searches could somehow increase the presence of your favourite lists, for you and for other viewers, would that be *more* or *less* welcome than a manually sorted list of lists?

    Regards
    Graham

    ---
    Postcript: FAYT (find as you type) (find-as-you-type) search would be great but such things place surprisingly great load on servers.
  • Graham Perrin
    #7 Graham Perrin on 17 Jan 09
     
    Question 4: re http://www.diigo.com/dashboard/ if to your dashboard you could add a few of your favourite lists, would that be more, or less, welcome than a manually sorted list of lists?

    (Et cetera, I'm trying to step back and visualise whether the list of lists is *truly* the most suitable place for you to prioritise (raise the level) of some thing(s).)
  • Graham Perrin
    #9 Graham Perrin on 28 Aug 09
     
    Here's a list of your lists, in your numbered order but without the numbers, and using the v=p trick:

    http://www.diigo.com/list/grahamperrin/richbernier?v=p
Graham Perrin

'Type error: undefined value' (preferring to view 100 at the last in a series of pages ... - 22 views

groups.diigo.com bookmark bug gpd4
started by Graham Perrin on 14 Jan 09 1 follow-up, last by Graham Perrin on 14 Jan 09
Andrew

group members joining - 48 views

bugs groups.diigo.com bug
started by Andrew on 13 Jan 09 no follow-up yet
  • Graham Perrin
    #4 Graham Perrin on 14 Jan 09
     
    Hi Andrew

    > Who can view? Private - only members can view

    > if I try to open the group URL … in another browser, it says, "…
    > you are not allow to access".

    That denial of access (denial of viewing) is harmonious with your setting visibility to members only.

    > I invited myself to join

    For as long as you have one or more *open* invitations at your
    http://groups.diigo.com/group_mana/member_manage?group_name=gpwebsite then in the Open invitations tab, you will find the 'Invite URL' alongside the name every invitation that is open.

    I suspect that if two or more invitations are open, then
    in each row the Invite URL is the same.

    @ Diigo

    To me it does seem a bug in Diigo Groups workflow that:
    when you have no open invitations, neither
    http://groups.diigo.com/group_mana/invite_others?group_name=gpwebsite nor
    http://groups.diigo.com/group_mana/member_manage?group_name=gpwebsite will express the URL (the ticket) through which non-members may be invited.

    (Andrew: I'm constructing those URLs. Please be reassured that I don't actually see your group management interface.)

    > I've changed to "apply to join" and clicked "save" several times.
    > Now it shows as above on the group management page, but still
    > shows "by invitation only" marked when I click edit.

    That behaviour sounds possibly buggy.

    Regards
    Graham
Roar Skullestad

Edit sticky note? - 34 views

sti suggestion
started by Roar Skullestad on 13 Jan 09 no follow-up yet
wagcol

Toolbar Failing to Display Items to Left of Highlight - 60 views

Toolbar 3.1.6.13 bugs Firefox help custom drag drop resolved
started by wagcol on 19 Dec 08 1 follow-up, last by Graham Perrin on 12 Jan 09
  • Graham Perrin
    #5 Graham Perrin on 12 Jan 09
     
    This bug has hit me a few times.

    > You should get a dialogue box called "Customize Toolbar" with all
    > of the available buttons for each of your toolbars. Locate the
    > Diigo related buttons and click/drag them onto the Diigo Toolbar
    > in the appropriate location.

    Trouble is, the customisation dialogue lacks the button for Diigo sidebar so no matter what I try I'm left with a mess ...

    Thanks ImageShack!

    Thanks ImageShack!

    Thanks ImageShack!

    I have tried disabling, enabling, uninstalling, reinstalling various add-ons.

    Once or twice in the past I found (and posted) some other workaround, tagged the topic thoughtfully, but at the moment I can't relocate the topic :( ah well never mind
  • Graham Perrin
    #6 Graham Perrin on 12 Jan 09
     
    > Once or twice in the past I found (and posted) some other workaround,
    > tagged the topic thoughtfully, but at the moment I
    > can't relocate the topic :( ah well never mind

    Found that other topic, it was half-useful, this topic is probably closed again :)
Graham Perrin

Extract Annotations: all annotations are missing - 23 views

Extract Annotations bug gpd4
started by Graham Perrin on 12 Jan 09 no follow-up yet
  • Graham Perrin
    #1 Graham Perrin on 12 Jan 09
     
    1. My Bookmarks

    2. aim for an annnotated bookmark

    3. Share menu

    4. Extract Annotations…

    = Bug =

    The extraction shows nothing more than the title of the bookmark:

    * all annotations are missing

    Thanks ImageShack!

    = Comparison =

    Screen shot at http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/9249 (2008-12-20) shows that previous extractions did include annotations.
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