At http://www.diigo.com/list/grahamperrin/20090102
for six of six listed bookmarks a request for the cached copy fails:

> Cached page for this bookmark is not available at the moment, but
> caching service will resume later to save this page. Please
> click the following link to visit original page: …

If I take a signed-out WebSlides view of the list, six of six pages are described as cached copies.

@ Diigo, a question:

* are there separate caching services - one for
http://www.diigo.com/cached?url=http … and another for
http://slides.diigo.com/list/ …

or

* is the non-appearance of cached copies a bug?

> @ Diigo, a question:
>
> * are there separate caching services - one for
> http://www.diigo.com/cached?url=http … and another for
> http://slides.diigo.com/list/ …

… is there also another, separate cache service for annotated links?

http://www.diigo.com/05930 highlights another context in which

* one area of Diigo presents a cached copy
* another area of Diigo states that for the same page, there is no cached copy.

Following up http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/3050

Dashboard link 'Bookmarks specially shared with me' refers to
http://www.diigo.com/friends/collection/shared which is empty, that's fine.

If I wish to specially share a bookmark with someone, from my bookmarks, how do I do so?

I tried the Share menu, but that is limited to:

[√] All Friends
     Or Friends in a Contact List

- no opportunity to name an individual.

I sought 'specially' in http://help.diigo.com/ and found a few pages but none of them were relevant (and the the matched pages don't actually contain the word 'specially').

Thanks for advice
Graham

Scott Allam wrote:

> Choose "Send to..." under the Share pull down. It allows you to
> send it to a specific friend, by choosing "Some of my friends".

Thanks Scott

I spotted that option but refrained from experimentation,
let's send something to each other then review
http://www.diigo.com/friends/collection/shared to see whether it's populated.

> sharing with a Group

= groups.diigo.com

> is isolated from the other forms of sharing, namely with specific
> friends, all friends or a specific contact list.

= www.diigo.com

> organize this function of sharing … into a single intuitive location.

+1 to organising, but some actions that are described (by Diigo) as 'sharing' fall well beyond my use of the word 'share'.

It will be maybe a couple of months before I revisit that.

(My most recent shift
http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/9587 resulted from an apparently small change made by Diigo a few weeks ago. It took me that long to fully appreciate how a single small change, well-placed, can have far-reaching and very positive effect on workflow. So, I'm in no rush to form a fixed opinion of what is and is not sharing.)

Best,
Graham

Anyone: we can't figure out how
http://www.diigo.com/friends/collection/shared becomes populated.

Mine remains empty.

Can anyone recall how this feature is used?

TIA
Graham

Kicking the ball around. Nothing concrete yet:

http://pastie.textmate.org/357303

I'll offer a sketch of how this might look. Not complicated. In the meantime:

[ X ] copy to my bookmarks
[    ] exclude from my bookmarks

- radio buttons
- user's choice persists, maybe in a cookie.

During list creation the option

> Private, only me

offers no hint that privacy is complemented by a secret URL.

So, some of what I wanted to be private is public, albeit with an obscure (chosen by me) URL.

Confession: I hadn't bothered to read Diigo help on the subject, I stumbled across the feature whilst reading http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/2773


= Suggestion =

http://www.diigo.com/bookmark_list/new_list should

* hint that 'Private, only me' need not be restricted to 'only me'

* include a reference to
http://help.diigo.com/index.php?title=How-To_Guide/Lists

I'd like a selector 'Non-grouped'
to present only my bookmarks that are not in any group.

URL might be
http://www.diigo.com/user/grahamperrin?selector=ng †

If not amongst the defaults offered by Diigo in the www.diigo.com domain, then I'd be happy to create a custom selector to achieve the desired result.

Critically: Non-grouped should be a selector (not a tab):

* in computing, the tab metaphor implies no more than one at a time.

* I wish to apply multiple selectors, for example

-- Non-grouped + Annotated

This suggestion hopefully echoes and respects other users' suggestions in past topics.

† URL suffix ng respects the plea for consistency/predictability at
http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/9447

A spin-off from http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/9588#1 and from various other topics:

In Diigo, there is widespread use of the word 'private'.

Private does not always mean private.

It's true that where privacy is relaxed, it's usually the result of a conscious decision by the user.

However: the bigger picture is that any 'outsider' who lacks insider knowledge (of Diigo sharing and of the various types of annotated link) may be alarmed by public revelation of something that is clearly labelled 'private'. In subtle ways, confidence in Diigo may be reduced.

So, I wonder what expression might be truer than 'private'. Maybe:

* obscure

I don't particularly like the word, at least not in a Diigo context, but I like mis-use of the word 'private' even less.

Do we have any better suggestions?

Thesaurus, dictionaries and common sense to the rescue, please!

(Think beyond Diigo Island: consider how things look to outsiders, particularly their public/anonymous view of Diigo annotated links that use the word 'private'…)

TIA
Graham

> A spin-off from … various other topics:

… topics/messages including but not limited to
http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/7168
http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/7338#9
http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/7338#11

Joel Liu wrote:

> You can visit your message page
> http://message.diigo.com/user/tomlaigle,
> open them in sent tab and change the privacy by clicking the lock icon.

AFAIR this is impossible for any topic that has more than one message.

Occasionally in the past, I took care to
delete from my bookmarks some of the
bookmarks that were also shared with a group.

For a while, I enjoyed a false sense of organisation and good housekeeping.

Now, I regret deleting those bookmarks from
'My Bookmarks'.

I realise that presence of a bookmark in
a Diigo group, alone, is sometimes insufficient for
'My Requirements'.

I can't predict my future requirements.

So: I will no longer worry about public bookmarks appearing in
'My Bookmarks'.

(Credit to Diigo for thoughtful vision!)

My change of behaviour is based entirely upon everyday use of Diigo:

* for myself alone
* in Diigo groups that are private
* in Diigo groups that are public
* for the benefit of individuals who are not members of Diigo
* for the benefit of groups that are not aligned with Diigo.

The change of behaviour is _not_ based upon theory or guesswork!

The new realisation and required behaviour:

* probably negate at least one of my past suggestions
* certainly clarify a view of things that should be optional
* certainly clarify a view of options that should be defaults.

---

Some of the past suggestions that were most relevant are misinterpreted, or out of context, or simply lost.

For such things I'll recreate, in as few words as possible, new topics.

Regards
Graham

1. http://www.diigo.com/buzz/hot

2. Expand All


= Expected =

For bookmarks that have annotations, a view of the annotations.


= Bug =

Annotations fail to appear.




= Environment =

* Firefox 3.0.5
* OmniWeb

* Mac OS X 10.5.6, Intel.


= Not bugged =

http://www.diigo.com/buzz/justin seems to be fine; the Expand buttons are context sensitive, appearing (and working) only alongside bookmarks that are annotated.

1. do not log in to Facebook

2. http://apps.facebook.com/diigo-app/user

Bookmarks appear, but no public annotations.

Suggestion: is there value in offering Diigo annotations that are public to users of Facebook, or potential users of Facebook, who are *not* logged in to Facebook?

From a Diigo awareness/marketing perspective, anonymous views of http://apps.facebook.com/diigo-app/user could be richer.

(Maybe a privacy concern suggests that public Diigo annotations should not be shared in other domains, although AFAICT http://www.diigo.com/buzz/hot and http://www.diigo.com/buzz/justin do no harm.)

1. log in to Facebook

2. http://apps.facebook.com/diigo-app/user

The application does count the annotations (for each bookmark, I see sum of its annotations as a number) but when any Expand button is clicked:

* annotations do not appear.




= Environment =

Firefox 3.0.5
Safari 3.2.1 (5525.27.1)

Hi Mike

At http://www.diigo.com/community/site/en.wikipedia.org Safari detects the feed as http://www.diigo.com/rss but the feed is less specific than the page from which it originates.

At http://www.diigo.com/community/site/en.wikipedia.org you might instead

1. Add to Watchlist

2. view the feed for the Watchlist

but my Watchlist seems to be broken (empty), I'll report that in a separate topic.

Maybe something in the API,
http://www.diigo.com/tools/api

Hi jorgusch

> Any chance Opera will be supported some time soon. I am using more and more
> small mobile devices

Do you mean Opera, Opera Mini or Opera Mobile?

> A highlighter should be included

Does Diigolet http://www.diigo.com/tools/diigolet for Opera not include 'Highlight' in its toolbar?

For any one page, there are various types of annotated link - see the options in the Get Annotated Link dialogue.

As some highlights and other types of annotation are private, so it's inappropriate to *assume* that a user wishes to share their annotations.

From a privacy perspective, AFAICT the most respectful approach is to share, by default, the un-annotated version of the page.

Kenneth LeFebvre wrote:

> When I annotate a page and send it to Facebook

Are you

a) using Diigo to *send* something

or

b) using Facebook for a view of what's in Diigo?

AFAICT the latter is not related to sending.

> The whole point to using Diigo is to annotate the pages you're
> sharing with people

There are many other points but your requirement is understood :)

If you log in to Facebook then
http://apps.facebook.com/diigo-app/user does count Diigo annotations - note the number in parentheses - and the familiar Expand button is present - but a click on the button does not produce the desired result. I have reported this bug, with a screen shot, at
http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/facebook-app-annotations-counted-but-expand-button-fails-to-present-the-annotations-9584

> you're not fully supporting

I'm a user, not associated with Facebook ;)

> is there a way to change the default?



Somewhere in Diigo Community forum AFAIR I requested that the options illustrated above should by default be disclosed.

By default, neither option should be enabled; IMHO doing so would introduce too great a risk of users inadvertently sharing something that they intended to be private.

Incidentally, the wording of one of the options is misleading. Again, somewhere in Diigo Community forum there's a topic on the subject.

Kind regards
Graham

Example
http://www.diigo.com/user/luciopenso?tab=9 presents the 'Annotated' (tab) view of the user's bookmarks, a currently totalling 107 bookmarks, but when I view 100/107 on a page it appears that… 

= Bug =

* more than half of the 'Annotated' bookmarks are without annotations.

Postscript: PDF and .webarchive of the affected page are set aside on my disk, currently at
/Users/gjp22/Documents/Diigo/9453/

At for example http://www.diigo.com/profile/common/brasst the
chevron to the left of

> Tags that both … and I use (…)

does work.

= Bug =

The other three chevrons are ineffective.

= Workaround =

Click the words to the side of the contract/expand chevron. However, this is non-intuitive:

* when aiming to contract something, the first thing I aim for is the (chevron) contraction icon.

(I'd be more likely to aim for the words, to *expand* what's beneath, if a section is contracted by default.)

At http://www.diigo.com/people/like

* command-click a person's name works as expected

- that person's profile opens in a new tab

= Inconsistency =

* command-click any percentage does not work as expected

- the one person's common stuff overwrites the contents of the 'People Like Me' window.

= Workaround =

1. command-click each person's profile (21 clicks)
2. at each person's profile, click 'common stuff'.

That is, 42 clicks instead of 21.

= Environment =

* Safari 3.2.1 (5525.27.1) + Saft etc.
* Firefox 3.0.5

* Mac OS X 10.5.6, Intel

My own signed-in view of my unread bookmarks is
http://www.diigo.com/user/grahamperrin?tab=1

I experimented with a signed-out view of the same URL, the result is something other than the 'Unread' tab.

From this comes two suggestions:

1. I'd like anonymous viewers to have the option of seeing which of my public bookmarks are unread

- presumably, presented beneath the familiar 'Unread' tab.

2. is a separate topic…

Thanks
Graham