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started by Roger Gardner on 16 Jan 09
  • Roger Gardner
     
    Hi there
    Have been using Diigo for a while now and I really like it!

    Does anyone know if it is possible to share a list with a group so that they can not only view the bookmarks in the list, but also add new ones to that shared list?

    Thanks for any advice

    Roger
  • anonymous
     
    Well, assuming the list has not been defined as private, you can share the URL pointing to your Diigo list directly or create a bookmark of the URL and share the bookmark, such as:
    http://www.diigo.com/list/bytesize/web-20-software

    points to my public list I have created for Web 2.0 software.

    Lists, however, are not collaborative in nature. If you are looking to have something where each of the individuals can contribute and add their own bookmarks, then create a new Group: http://groups.diigo.com/create and invite those members to join.
  • Roger Gardner
     
    Thanks for that, Scott. It's a pity in my opinion that lists cannot be collaborative. We were looking for a model whereby a group of students share and annotate bookmarks which are categorised in lists. We're using groups anyway so will carry on with that.

    Scott Allam wrote:
    > Well, assuming the list has not been defined as private, you can share the URL pointing to your Diigo list directly or create a bookmark of the URL and share the bookmark, such as:
    > http://www.diigo.com/list/bytesize/web-20-software
    >
    > points to my public list I have created for Web 2.0 software.
    >
    > Lists, however, are not collaborative in nature. If you are looking to have something where each of the individuals can contribute and add their own bookmarks, then create a new Group: http://groups.diigo.com/create and invite those members to join.
  • anonymous
     
    Well, how about creating numerous sub-groups, one group in place of each list?

    All the subgroups could be placed under one umbrella group. A little bit of a kludge, but could work.

    Roger Gardner wrote:
    > Thanks for that, Scott. It's a pity in my opinion that lists cannot be collaborative. We were looking for a model whereby a group of students share and annotate bookmarks which are categorised in lists. We're using groups anyway so will carry on with that.
  • Graham Perrin
     
    > a group of students

    I guess that you're already aware of Diigo Educator Accounts,
    http://blog.diigo.com/2008/09/19/announcing-diigo-educator-accounts/

    > share and annotate bookmarks which are categorised in
    > lists. We're using groups

    Whilst Diigo groups don't have lists, you might populate group tag dictionaries e.g.
    http://groups.diigo.com/tag_mana/group_tag_dict?group_name=eatbath
    http://groups.diigo.com/tag_mana/group_tag_dict?group_name=edtechtalk
    http://groups.diigo.com/tag_mana/group_tag_dict?group_name=social-bookmarking-seminar-group
    with multiple-word tags that match the names of your required lists. I see that one of the dictionaries is already populated :)

    I understand that the notion of a group-specific list is appealing, and that tags are not a panacea, but please:

    * de-focusing for a moment from Diigo, and from computers generally, what end result(s) would you like your students to achieve?
  • anonymous
     
    Utilizing tag sets like Graham suggests is another great alternative. That way everyone can insert to one common group and sub-categorize each inserted bookmark with a keyed tag that would represent each of your lists.

    Nice one Graham.
  • Roger Gardner
     
    Hi Graham

    Thanks for your reply. My post was actually on behalf of a colleague, and I have passed your idea on to her. The only possible problem with it is that many of our students use the Diigolet button as they are unable currently to install the Diigo toolbar because of PCs on campus being locked down. I'm not sure that group tag dictionaries work with the Diigolet option.


    Graham Perrin wrote:
    > > a group of students
    >
    > I guess that you're already aware of Diigo Educator Accounts,
    > http://blog.diigo.com/2008/09/19/announcing-diigo-educator-accounts/
    >
    > > share and annotate bookmarks which are categorised in
    > > lists. We're using groups
    >
    > Whilst Diigo groups don't have lists, you might populate group tag dictionaries e.g.
    > http://groups.diigo.com/tag_mana/group_tag_dict?group_name=eatbath
    > http://groups.diigo.com/tag_mana/group_tag_dict?group_name=edtechtalk
    > http://groups.diigo.com/tag_mana/group_tag_dict?group_name=social-bookmarking-seminar-group
    > with multiple-word tags that match the names of your required lists. I see that one of the dictionaries is already populated :)
    >
    > I understand that the notion of a group-specific list is appealing, and that tags are not a panacea, but please:
    >
    > * de-focusing for a moment from Diigo, and from computers generally, what end result(s) would you like your students to achieve?
  • Graham Perrin
     
    Subject: scope/applicability of group tag dictionary

    Hi Roger

    Apologies for a long answer. I suspect a mash in the pipeline but we (the community) might not mash it without some thinking out loud ...


    > I'm not sure that group tag dictionaries work with the Diigolet option.

    1) In Diigo 3.1.6.13 for Firefox: group tag dictionary entries make themselves obvious in some but not all types of Bookmark dialogue.



    In the edit bookmark dialogue above, there's evidence of the share with a group, but that group's dictionary is not offered; some additional clicks are required (aim to share where the share already exists) before the entries appear.

    2) In Diigolet 3.1b506 we have neither dictionaries of, nor suggestions for, tags.

    Concerning the absence of groups' dictionaries from Diigolet:
    I might have seen/noted that as a suggestion
    http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/tag/suggestion
    but I'm not a social tagger so I have paid little attention.

    I'm fairly certain that amongst the suggestions/discussions, there is acknowledgement from Diigo that the groups.diigo.com interface to bookmarks might be improved. (My twopenneth: an excellent web interface should allow Diigolet to remain uncluttered and responsive.)

    At the moment the 'More Actions…' menu is sparse and compared to 'My Bookmarks' there are fewer menus. Some of the absences are perfectly correct; a group is not an individual. If I find the relevant topic I might bump it or at least draw your attention.

    3) In Diigo groups fora: the tag dictionary is not applicable. The wish for this feature is acknowledged but in my own foraging through other groups' dictionaries (without privileges: the dictionaries can be viewed but not managed) I find very little evidence of groups bothering with tags.

    ---

    > many of our students use the Diigolet button as they are unable
    > currently to install the Diigo toolbar because of PCs on campus
    > being locked down.

    I don't know whether you (or your colleague, who originated the enquiry) might apply the keyword 'enterprise' to your campus PC environment, I used the keyword as a tag just once http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/tag/enterprise -- in that area, I do still have a sketch in mind but it probably will not materialise for a few weeks. Maybe Diigo 4 will greet us first :)

    ---

    All things considered it does seem most desirable, in your colleague's situation, to have group-defined lists.

    However I have this gut feeling that we're overlooking something. Probably a feature, or feature combination (mmmmmassh) that's not leaping out at us. Yet ...

    Best,
    Graham
  • Graham Perrin
     
    Rewind :)

    > share a list with a group

    > view the bookmarks in the list

    > add new ones to that shared list

    > students share and annotate bookmarks which are categorised

    For a moment, let's forget the word 'list', focus on 'categories'.

    1. Are the categories pre-defined by the teacher?

    2. Is each category a starting point/guidline for the student, and beyond that starting point do the students have fairly free rein whilst annotating?

    For a moment, forget Diigo groups.

    3. Within the group (of students):

    a) are there sub-groups, one sub-group per category (of bookmarks)?

    or

    b) is the entire group studying/annotating all categories?

    ---

    Now: think Diigo + blog, and categories within a blog.

    https://secure.diigo.com/blog_this/daily_blog
    https://secure.diigo.com/blog_this/config
    - any group member (including the teacher) can
    produce, from the Diigo group, a draft within a blog.

    Would the teacher find it acceptable to periodically review the group's activities, and to categorise, within the blog setting?

    There's also the 'My Bookmarks' route to selecting and sending (drafting) to a blog.

    4. Should the categories that were predefined, near the beginning of a course/assignment, be overt in the end result?

    ======
    Moodle
    ======

    AFAIK Diigo does support MetaWeblog API.

    http://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=44172 concerns Moodle support for MetaWeblog but the answer to that point isn't given.

    (From your
    http://www.diigo.com/profile/gardnerr I guess Moodle.)

    Does Moodle support group blog approaches?
    (multiple user single blog) ... I wonder.

    http://www.screencast-o-matic.com/watch/ciQqFygX involves Moodle and Diigo but probably not in the required context.
  • Roger Gardner
     
    Hi Graham

    This is on behalf of a colleague. The context is a course in which participants and facilitators are bookmarking and annotating literature sources they come across. The course has a number of units of study for which Diigo groups have been set up (not all participants take all units, so they can join the relevant groups). The lists are then intended for topics within each unit. My colleague describes it as follows:

    "I'm thinking that they will want a sort of peer reviewed source of literature to dip into (Lists do it for me here) and they may come across stuff they want to share now and again with the group - they can of course create their own lists if they really get into things!"

    An online tool is attractive as the participants are from different departments and will not necessarily see each other F2F often. We did,as I have said, investigate the Group tags Dictionary in the first instance, but many participants are using the Diigolet button and this functionality didn't appear to be available.

    Cheers

    Roger





    Graham Perrin wrote:
    > > a group of students
    >
    > I guess that you're already aware of Diigo Educator Accounts,
    > http://blog.diigo.com/2008/09/19/announcing-diigo-educator-accounts/
    >
    > > share and annotate bookmarks which are categorised in
    > > lists. We're using groups
    >
    > Whilst Diigo groups don't have lists, you might populate group tag dictionaries e.g.
    > http://groups.diigo.com/tag_mana/group_tag_dict?group_name=eatbath
    > http://groups.diigo.com/tag_mana/group_tag_dict?group_name=edtechtalk
    > http://groups.diigo.com/tag_mana/group_tag_dict?group_name=social-bookmarking-seminar-group
    > with multiple-word tags that match the names of your required lists. I see that one of the dictionaries is already populated :)
    >
    > I understand that the notion of a group-specific list is appealing, and that tags are not a panacea, but please:
    >
    > * de-focusing for a moment from Diigo, and from computers generally, what end result(s) would you like your students to achieve?
  • anonymous
     
    In that case, I would set up a series of nested groups.

    First create a master group, call it Literature. In the Group Forum portion of that group, insert comments on how to use the nesting of groups. Then in the group bookmarks, insert bookmarks to sub-groups, one sub-group per unit. Make it clear that this "literature research" group is an admin only group for organization only so that none of the participants alter the group. If you are really concerned about members messing with the organization, then you can create a single top level HTML page that then points to the sub-groups. Another alternative would be to create Diigo lists using your account (as these are not editable by other than you and will provide a stable jump off point) for all of the top level items that will then point to collaborative sub-groups.

    Top level literature page {not collaborative, meant for information only}
    > > > Unit 1 Group
    > > >| > > >Topic 1-1 {these are collaborative Diigo groups}
    > > >| > > >Topic 1-2
    > > >| > > >Topic 1-3
    > > >| > > >Etc.
    > > > Unit 2 Group
    > > >| > > >Topic 2-1
    > > >| > > >Topic 2-2

    The good part about this solution is it can be expanded as units and topics grow and administered at each level. If this is something of interest, drop me an e-mail, I would be happy to help you set up a structure, such as this scott_gui@yahoo.com
  • Graham Perrin
     
    @ Roger

    Your three paragraphs in comment #10 should be ideal food for Diigo if/when they review features of Educator accounts.

    With those paragraphs in mind, Scott's multiple groups approach (16th January comment #4 and today's #11) does seem to be the best workaround.

    @ Scott

    Thanks for the detailed second suggestion :)

    Cheers
    Graham
  • Roger Gardner
     
    hi Scott

    Thanks for that suggestion. We will try it out. Sorry if this appears a stupid question but I just need to clarify something (probably this is due to terminology!)

    Is the following correct? These groups are not in actual fact nested (as in they don't have a "parent / child" relationship - they are in a flat structure, but linked .) So when a participant bookmarks something for a "sub-group" it just appears as "a group" in the "share to a group" drop down in their bookmark window.

    Thanks

    Roger


    Scott Allam wrote:
    > In that case, I would set up a series of nested groups.
    >
    > First create a master group, call it Literature. In the Group Forum portion of that group, insert comments on how to use the nesting of groups. Then in the group bookmarks, insert bookmarks to sub-groups, one sub-group per unit. Make it clear that this "literature research" group is an admin only group for organization only so that none of the participants alter the group. If you are really concerned about members messing with the organization, then you can create a single top level HTML page that then points to the sub-groups. Another alternative would be to create Diigo lists using your account (as these are not editable by other than you and will provide a stable jump off point) for all of the top level items that will then point to collaborative sub-groups.
    >
    > Top level literature page {not collaborative, meant for information only}
    > > > > Unit 1 Group
    > > > >| > > >Topic 1-1 {these are collaborative Diigo groups}
    > > > >| > > >Topic 1-2
    > > > >| > > >Topic 1-3
    > > > >| > > >Etc.
    > > > > Unit 2 Group
    > > > >| > > >Topic 2-1
    > > > >| > > >Topic 2-2
    >
    > The good part about this solution is it can be expanded as units and topics grow and administered at each level. If this is something of interest, drop me an e-mail, I would be happy to help you set up a structure, such as this scott_gui@yahoo.com
  • anonymous
     
    Roger,
    Yes, the suggestion was a conceptual nesting with links, meaning upper groups linked to numerous sub-groups. There would be no formal mechanism to create a nesting structure with groups, although that might be an interesting design problem to explore with Diigo. Opening up the Group Forum and Group Bookmarks with a ability to add folders, thus adding groupings of topicality. For example, the Diigo Group forum might have sub-forums for New Users, Bug Issues, Best practices, etc. where people could insert their New Posts into the appropriate sub-topic.

    Sincerely,
    Scott

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