Using Diigo Toolbar 3.1.6.12 in Firefox 3.0.5 on Mac OS X 10.5.6.

I have screen shots to match the following list (for the moment, I'll keep the shots to one side, ready if they're needed)...

01 - customisation not respected when search performed in Diigo Toolbar
02 - customisation respected when search performed TTW

11 - preferred shopping
12 - preferring blog
13 - preference saved
14 - searched through Diigo Toolbar for corbyn
15 - searched Diigo TTW for corbyn
16 - searched through Diigo Toolbar for corbyn

= Bug =

The results at 14, 15, 16 were for shopping, not blogs.

I quit then re-launched Firefox, now it says blogs and searches as it should.

Does it take some time for the saved preference to become effective for the search field within Diigo Toolbar?

= See also =

http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/address-bar-searches-in-diigo-instead-of-google-how-to-remove-9193

http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/firefox-search-bar-option-to-add-diigo-search-persists-following-addition-9212

http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/customize-search-dialogue-sometimes-failed-to-allow-save-all-9213

It's the weekend! Yay!

1. http://www.diigo.com/customize_search

2. focusing on the left hand column

3. drag something other than the uppermost item to the top of the column

= Bug =

Sometimes the 'Save All' button remained greyed out, so the preference could not be saved.

= Occurrence =

Noted maybe two or more times in Firefox 3.0.5 on Mac OS X 10.5.6, after accessing the URL http://www.diigo.com/customize_search via
Diigo Toolbar 3.1.6.11 and/or 3.1.6.12 | Web menu | Customize




At some point (I can't remember whether it was whilst using 3.1.6.11 or 3.1.6.12, sorry!) I opted to Restore Defaults,



= See also =

http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/address-bar-searches-in-diigo-instead-of-google-how-to-remove-9193 (have I confused the two issues? sorry!)

http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Search+bar

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Postscript: correction, Mac OS X 10.5.6.

Using Diigo Toolbar 3.1.6.12 in Firefox 3.0.5 on Mac OS X 10.5.6:



The option

> Add "Diigo Search"

remains in the menu, even after Diigo Search has been added.

http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Search+bar

A wild guess, thinking Unix: an issue with file mode? (Maybe r-- where rw- is required?)

Maybe irrelevant, the added item reads
'Diigo'

the option to add reads
'Diigo Search'

In a situation such as this, a unique selling point - Diigo WebSlides - is obscured (not promoted) by a device (the banner) that should serve to promote ;)

Testing:

http://foo.bar/path
feed://images.apple.com/main/rss/hotnews/hotnews.rss
webcal://schooltool.freeman-centre.ac.uk/calendar.ics
afp://foo.bar/path
smb://foo.bar/path
callto:perrin.redirectme.net
irc://irc.freenode.net/#diigo

Results: unpredictable.

IMHO, more reason to cautiously introduce/improve WYSIWYG edition, and/or a preview feature.

Try changing your selection from the menu that appears beneath the search field of Firefox 3:

Using Diigo Toolbar 3.1.6.12 in Firefox 3.0.5 on Mac OS X 10.5.6:



* prefer Diigo
* search: success

* prefer Google
* search: success

Maggie and all, thank you.

Please: is the
3.1.6.11 at http://www.diigo.com/tools?client=ff identical to the
3.1.6.11 that arose during the alpha testing phase?

@ Cee Bee

Please:

1) Is the platform of your Mac: PowerPC, or Intel?

2) Can you recall the numbered version of Diigo Toolbar that you used when you encountered issues with performance?

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@ Diigo

At http://blog.diigo.com/2008/12/18/diigo-firefox-toolbar-change-log-ver-31611/ or nearby when you have time (no rush), please log in greater detail the changes for both 3.1.6.12 and 3.1.6.13.

First Maggie wrote:

> 3.1.6.11

then:

> 3.1.6.12

then Cee Bee wrote:

> new diigo toolbar my mac's cpu has been going at 100% causing
> incredibly slow operation, lag and even complete inoperability of
> firefox.

> a problem just trying to disable the toolbar. the very previous
> version worked just fine for me.
>
> specs:
>
> mac osx 10.4.11 ( 2GHz/2GB)
> firefox 3.0.4

Here: for many hours I have Firefox 3.0.5 running in the background on Mac OS X 10.5.6, MacBookPro1,2 Intel Core Duo 2.16 GHz, 2 GB

- with _bugged_ Diigo Toolbar 3.1.6.12

- without problem.

Performance is fine, Firefox in background typically using between 0.1% and 0.5% CPU.

Where (for example) 3.1.6.12 has been installed to a great number of computers, and if (for a particular operating system or platform) an additional update from 3.1.6.12 to 3.1.6.13 is not of critical importance, then ICT support staff responsible for multiple computers will appreciate the knowledge.

(This is: the value of more detailed change logging :)

Support staff appreciate not being expected to patch things on the last Friday before Christmas.

Off-topic from Diigo,
@ installation routines on Windows and Microsoft Update failures:
!!! GRRRRRRRRRRR !!!

@ Apple and Mac OS X: hugs.

@ Diigo: double hugs :)

At http://www.zopyx.com/projects/SmartPrintNG/demos
I present Diigolet. I can select both of the following texts -

SmartPrintNG demos

Businesscard generator

- but Diigolet contextual menu does not appear

I click the Highlight button, Diigolet responds:

> The number of highlighted non white space characters needs to be
> between 5 and 2000. Please select some text and try again.

Both selections do fit the criterion.

Affected: Diigolet 3.1b446 in Safari 3.2.1 (5525.27.1) on Mac OS X 10.5.6.

Not affected: Diigo Toolbar 3.1.6.11 in Firefox 3.0.5 on Mac OS X 10.5.6.

Priority of this issue: for me, very low.

For a moment, forget Diigo.

When - for yourself, in real life or on the Internet -
you *star* some thing, are you telling yourself:

g) goodness

or

i) importance?

Hints:

* reply quickly and instinctively, don't analyse or think computers
* there's no right or wrong answer
* don't follow the herd ;)

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(g) or (i) will suffice. This need not be a lengthy topic.

(Plenty of discussion at http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/vote-feature-415 http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/why-can-you-add-a-simple-feature-as-ratings-your-bookmark-url-9157 and elsewhere.)

The (g)s and (i)s may help to inform how Diigo interoperates with other applications/services.

Cheers all

Thanks Scott. Quickly and instinctively,
g) or i) ?

Diigo group bookmarks
=====================

* thumb up is optional, e.g.
http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/bookmark

* thumb down is not an option, and I appreciate that positivity that this encourages

* sorting by thumbs up is tabbed, e.g.
http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/bookmark?sort_by=3

* navigating beyond the first page of sorted thumbs up is bugged,
http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/bookmark-navigation-next-page-of-bookmarks-loses-the-preferred-method-of-sorting-9062

Note: if you have shared a bookmark with a group, then thumbs up on the group copy of the bookmark are not reflected on your personal copy.


Starring bookmarks that are not within a group:
preparation
===============================================

http://www.diigo.com/ | My Bookmarks | select (tick) the bookmarks that you would like to rate | Add to list

Create new list | Title | Starred | Create the list


Starring bookmarks that are not within a group:
a three-click routine (after the bookmarking event)
===============================================

1. tick
2. Add to list
3. Starred

Public views of your annotated bookmarks
http://www.diigo.com/user/Webtik | Annotated | Expand All
and of your cloud http://www.diigo.com/cloud/webtik show your interest in design and iconography, so I guess that the three-click routine will be dissatisfying!

There's an alternative routine, which should please you...

webtik M. wrote:

> Apologies about my english; i try to do my best :-/

Your English is well understood, thank you :)

Apologies about my Francais :-/

> Coz if the point is really to put what we really think when we add
> our bookmark at the time we are doing that... the stars should be a
> good option.

Would you welcome the option to 'star' in *both* of the following situations?

i) at time of bookmarking

ii) later, when reviewing your bookmarks.

> I guess it has a good reason if Diigo's Team dont put interest to
> rate our bookmarks so easily, but i confess i dont know really why?

A highlight from http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/vote-feature-415#12

>> … a 5 star system. My experience tells me that the star system is
>> quite meaningless, and causes confusion. I think the first question
>> that comes up is, "Why did I bother saving something if it was only
>> 1 star?". I have talked to a number of people who would use the
>> stars as a way to further organize bookmarks. …

I'm not confusing a five-star system with a single star (toggle) approach but I wonder whether, at some point in the past, Diigo toyed with something richer than a simple 'thumbs up' for user bookmarks. If so, then users may have faltered.

If offered the option to _thumb_ down my own bookmark then I, too, would think:

* Why did I bother?

> seems mostly people are agree to say those stars are a good idea,
> right? ;)

I like to click stars. Certianly, I would like to see some introduction of stars to Diigo.

However, Diigo is not an island; and star icons have mixed meanings.

In the neighbouring topic http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/for-you-personally-what-does-a-star-icon-mean-9158 I focus solely on two choices - either 'goodness' or 'importance' - and ask respondents to not think computers before expressing what a star means to them.

Beyond goodness and importance, with apologies for extending this topic: online appearance of the star icon has other meanings, some of which have been very troublesome/frustrating.

Sometimes stars are like ticks/check marks, indicating items upon which a subsequent action should applied.

Sometimes a star means: 'private'.

Sometimes a star means: 'subscribe me to this public thing'.

Sometimes a star meant: 'subcribe me to this thing' but the subscription failed, because an underlying default workflow suppressed e-mails to subscribers, and the preference to enable e-mails was difficult to find, et cetera.

(Quiz, for fun: have you found the existing stars in Diigo? If you do find them: don't answer, but do think about the broad pictures, including notions of a Diigo gadget for iGoogle … at your iGoogle page, might other non-Diigo gadgets use stars in other ways? Et cetera.)

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The meaning/placement of the icon must be sensible enough to have a _common_ (or at least widespread) understanding -- without explanatory text.

If it becomes necessary to add texts, alongside an icon and/or away from the icon (in a help centre, for example), then:

* the beauty, the value of a simple small icon is lost.

Keeping this positive, my bottom line here:

* yes, I do like to click stars :)

Best,
Graham

Without re-kindling this topic (there's plenty going in other topics):

In Nabble support area at the moment, discussions include:

Ratings
http://n2.nabble.com/Ratings-tp2230797p2261384.html

Label(s) for content
http://n2.nabble.com/Suggestion%3A-language-warning-tp661558p2264592.html

http://mashable.com/openwebawards/the-winners/

Congratulations to Diigo and community! (More at Diigo blog…)

http://tinyurl.com/plone-wpd-2008-diigo-draft01
29 slides, fourteen of which were recently added after following http://delicious.com/r0ver/worldploneday2008

At the time of writing, problems with WebSlides numbers:
1
2
3
4
5
6
20

Diigo suggests:

> You can visit the page without player

but when I follow the suggested links, for all seven missing slides the same message is repeated:

> You can visit the page without player

- I am not led to any of the seven missing pages.

Of 29 slides at http://tinyurl.com/plone-wpd-2008-diigo-draft01 now, the number of missing pages has increased from seven to eight:

1
2
3
4
5
6
11
20

It is more than two weeks since I created this WebSlides collection. Am I just unlucky with such a large proportion not working, or might there be an issue with WebSlides?

TIA
Graham

1. using OmniWeb-5.6-v613
or Safari 3.2.1 or WebKit nightly r39293 on Mac OS X 10.5.6

2. visit http://slides.diigo.com/list/grahamperrin/osaf-chandler

3. play

4. at any slide that presents the vertical scrollbar

5. scroll up and down repeatedly for around eleven seconds (at least: until WebSlides playback progresses to the next slide, or the closing screen).

= Bug =

Progression of Diigo WebSlides playback, whilst the user is scrolling, seems to cause WebKit to either

a) stop responding (beach ball)

or

b) crash.


= Reproduction =

Can other users of Chrome, WebKit or Safari reproduce the problem?

If you can reproduce, please state your OS and browser version. Thanks.


= Scope =

May be a bug in WebKit.

May be a non-Apple product conflicting with my OS/browser installations.

I can't reproduce the issue in Firefox 3.0.4.

Not reproduced in Internet Explorer 6.0.app in Darwine

Not reproduced in Chrome or Safari 3.2.1 on Windows XP

Not reproduced in IE 7 on Windows XP, although the slowness (hour glass) is remarkable.

Smells like a bug with my own computer. If I don't add to this topic, let's assume that it's me alone :)

> radr://6950192

Apple determine this to be a duplicate of an earlier bug ID# 6634228.

Similarly, Vikash Shah wrote:

> gadget for iGoogle

I rarely use iGoogle but by coincidence, I recently toyed with the gadget of some other service.

@ Vikash, Paul and François

If you're agreeable, I might run some gadget-related thoughts past you (I'm not a developer, just an interested user). Forum here has more than enough noise from me recently, so I'll probably aim for open conversation beyond the Diigo Community group...

Cheers
Graham

http://help.diigo.com/How-To_Guide/Highlighting#Aggregate_Clippings_-_Extract_Highlights_.26_Annotations should refer to

> Aggregate Clippings - Extract Highlights & Annotations


= Bug =

The URL is misinterpreted, misrepresented; the reference leads to a different point in the page.


= Occurrence of bug =

http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/export-cache-1981#5


= Suggestion =

Offer a foolproof method of working with hyperlinks in Diigo groups bookmarks and fora
and/or
preview messages before posting.

(_Reliable_ hyper-linking should be at the core of a service such as Diigo.)

http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/kupu-fckeditor-tinymce-8503
http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/preview-topic-message-before-submission-8651

> export my cached pages

@ Jim

1. Do you wish for your export from Diigo to include your Diigo annotations?

2. How often do you extract annotations?

3. If your annotations don't comprise what you want, then what (in Diigo, or added to Diigo) might encourage you to annotate things in a way that's more useful to you?

4. Are you aware of the recent discussions re: on-line and off-line?

http://groups.diigo.com/search_topics?group_name=Diigo_HQ&what=online+offline

> No changes in a year?

There is, at least, plenty of discussion re: off-line :)

Within off-line work: caching, or something more useful, is implicit.

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If you use Safari:

1. use Diigolet in the normal way
2. File menu
3. Save As…

If I'm not mistaken: the file saved by Safari includes not only the page's content, but also your Diigo annotations. Neat.

http://www.diigo.com/annotated/d6cef8bc74b4e469625980ad105169b3 for more context.

Regards
Graham

Postscript: corrected the broken reference to Diigo Help.

Which of the following do you imagine?


1) starting at http://www.diigo.com/tools/export a single export, to include

- all cached copies of all pages

- for each page: the single set of annontations


2) starting at a bookmark, then focusing on the earliest cached copy:

- an export of that one cached copy, with annotations (inseparable)

then moving on to the next cached copy of the same bookmark:

- an export of the second cached copy, with the same annotations

and so on, for each cached copy


3) starting at your bookmarks, then making a selection of bookmarks, a single export of that selection, to include

- all cached copies of selected pages

- for each page: the single set of annotations

or

- the annotations combined with (inseparable from) each cached copy?

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More generally:

* what would you do with your export from Diigo?

(I can visualise what you want to view within the Diigo service context, but I can not visualise how you want it delivered as an export. Nor can I guess the starting point from which you want to export.)

> … detail any developments in the past couple of months?

In no particular order, and not in detail:
http://www.diigo.com/06eho
http://www.diigo.com/06ehq
http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/group-rss-feed-displaying-nodes-out-of-order-missing-46718#8

Off-topic from export features: don't trust my guesses of what's forthcoming, current or old ;)

(For five months, I imagined that Watchlist was quietly deprecated. Last week I discovered that I had broken my own list, through my own botched attempt to add a dual-tag watch, with a multiple word tag as one of the two. In fairness I should revisit the other topics in which I mumbled "…watchlist … broken…" but hey I'm gonna be a ilttle lazy and assume that people will (a) not botch things with similar experiments, and (b) manage to find answers in the forum. Eventually!)

That said, my guess is that more advanced export features may not come as soon as Joel's 1-2-3. I'd treat his point 3 reference to Amazon (S3, presumably) as an indication that Diigo remains primarily a service in the cloud, with S3 as Diigo's backup for user file storage purposes.

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I shouldn't treat a service provider's use of S3 as equivalent to a personal use of a backup service.

Now, you have me thinking about treatment of files before and after upload to Diigo! Could be interesting. There's some stuff going on in areas disconnected from Diigo, that might ultimately be good for readers of this topic. My thoughts in these ares are a bit fuzzy at the moment so please be (very) patient until my head is clearer …

… and if Diigo devlopers surprise us with something crystal clear in the meantime, even better!

Regards
Graham

= Suggestion =

Wherever Diigolet or Diigo Toolbar features refer to online help (typically Diigo Help Centre), the reference should:

a) become prominent whenever the help is updated

b) revert to normal (no more, no less prominent) after the user has visited the associated URL.


= Example =

Re http://www.diigo.com/annotated/4ffe997450443b3d3107a1a424a74c59 the menu item 'Help' should become prominent whenever http://help.diigo.com/How-To_Guide/Highlighting is updated.


= Implementation =

Sorry, developers: I can't imagine how this might be done.

Something involving cookies, maybe?


= See also =

http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/next-phase-diigo-the-future-7336 - this suggestion is definitely something for the future.

To discover the version number of your Diigolet:

1. mouse over the '…More»' menu

2. cursor changes to a finger

3. wait

4. the version number may appear

Example:

For the Highlight button in Diigolet 3.1b446, the help tag reads:

> Selected some text to highlight

The help tag should read:

> To highlight and bookmark: select text then click here

I was tempted to suggest disposing of the button altogether (without the button, the contextual menu in Diigolet works really well) but I guess that for accessibility, the button may remain desirable.