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features localization tag (metadata) Common Tag tag bundle translate locale suggestion

started by Jose Luis Pajares on 23 Mar 08
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  • Jose Luis Pajares
     
    Congratulations! the new Diigo is becoming the standard in social bookmarking!

    That said, there is still some features i miss (trying to be always :) useful) , the first is the localization of Diigo in many languages. I hope this is becoming a priority after this launch. I'm sure many users, like me, can help in that work -personally in spanish-. Localization should not mean the interface localization only, but a whole multilanguage Diigo system that include, for example, the possibility (oh please!) of having my tags translated so 'español' and 'spanish' can be intrepreted as the same tag by the system (if i choose that).

    This translated_tags feature it's very important, localization should help people - and info- meet even while they're using different mature/main languages.

    And some other suggestions:
    - Tags grouping.
    - Safari toolbar.
    - 'Show notes' option in linkrolls (not confuse with the current 'show annotated only')
    - Unread = still not bookmarked
    - Wordpress plugin: to use my diigo tags to tag my posts and to quickly add an annotated bookmark to them.

    About the profile page:
    - Change the name of 'favorite sites' box in my profile, did I marked as my favorites? No. So use 'top sites' instead.
    - The same for 'favorite lists', those should be (they are) 'My lists'.
    - 'Profiles elsewhere' names my Bitacoras.com profile as 'My others'.

    Home Page:
    I have to say that home page is a bit booring. Please don't use anymore, i think i said this before, that good looking, beauty, happy... people photos. Diigo homapge seems that old/empty corporate webpage looking for creepy clients. Put top/fresh sites at the top of the page, beside the group box and tag communities, wich reinforce the social and unique bookmarking features. After that: top users and hot tags. Move that introduction statements to the signup page and concentrate in getting an interesting home page, a place to have as a usual reference for everone to see what's going on the web an on this community.

    And some great surprises already available:
    - The 'top contributors' box in every tag page is a great way to meet people!
    - 'Only these tags' option in 'Daily blog post', blogging from Diigo is now a fast and effective way.

    Saludos,
    Jose Luis
  • Jose Luis Pajares
     
    Other suggestions while starting to use v3 daily:

    - 'Copy highlight' option in the automatic menu that appears when the mouse is over a highlight.
    - 'My groups' tab in the new sidebar.
  • Soul Book
     
    I'd like:

    Unread:
    - Option to have other bookmarks default to public, but unread ones default to private.
    - Drop down list of unread items direct from the toolbar.
    - A "mark read" button to easily change it, and take it off the unread list.

    Sidebar:
    - Hyperlinks for the most commonly searched, or most recently searched tags below the searchbox.

    Favorites:
    - The ones I click on the most. Or an option to sort the list by clicks

    Cool Extras:
    - track changes. Since you are already letting me add notes and cache pages, I'd like to be able to choose to be updated if the page changes, or if my highlights change. (kinda like a builting changenotes.com, before it broke).
    -screenshots would be nice, if used sparingly... such as on the homepage or dashboard.
  • Jose Luis Pajares
     
    wow! very good points Soulgrinds. Specially that track changes feature, specially when thinking that while Diigo allow us to highlight a page, this highlight becomes broken when the text is changed. Maybe the already cached page is enough... but highlights are not shown is those chached versions.

    The 'Drop down list of unread items direct from the toolbar' or throught any other quick way, is also a nice one.

    By the way, I'd like to be able to add more tags to this conversation after its creation.
  • Jose Luis Pajares
     
    Mmm.. I think the sidebar should allow some configuration in the options extension, to hide or show the elements i'm interested in, like groups, lists, unread bookmarks, follow a tag, etc. like in the toolbar.
  • Jose Luis Pajares
     
    One more: some visual message should inform in cached pages that "You're seeing a cached page" with a link to see the current version.
  • Jose Luis Pajares
     
    One more and i think this can be considered as a bug: Bookmark time should not change when a new highlight is done. Maybe every highlight should have also its own time stamp.
  • cuttingedge -
     
    I also have noticed what may become a big problem for me. Not more than one week ago I annotated a page. The author moved the page and I get a 'page not found' error. I go to the diigo cached version (good) but NONE of my highlights are there. Of course I can find which annotations that I made previously and manually re-annotate the new page then manually go into my bookmarks and delete the old bookmarked page. If this happens very often it can become too time consuming.
    Is there a faster way that already exists? Can you add this as a feature? (perhaps by simply adding a column to the table in the user's database that links to the cached page table? Then run a query. Obviously you guys know what you're doing)

    Jose luis Pajares wrote:

    > wow! very good points Soulgrinds. Specially that track changes
    > feature, specially when thinking that while Diigo allow us to
    > highlight a page, this highlight becomes broken when the text is
    > changed. Maybe the already cached page is enough... but highlights
    > are not shown is those chached versions.
    >
    > The 'Drop down list of unread items direct from the toolbar' or
    > throught any other quick way, is also a nice one.
    >
    > By the way, I'd like to be able to add more tags to this
    > conversation after its creation.
  • Maggie Tsai
     
    Lots of good suggestions. T hanks for sharing! Will discuss here.

    Meanwhile, if anyone interested in helping out with a translation of our HELP help.diigo.com into other languages -- please let us know. Thanks
  • Maggie Tsai
     
    This is a good point, but will take some resources for us to annotate the cached pages as well. Will think about it.
  • Wade Ren
     
    Thanks for all the suggestions

    Re: localization; we need to get language filter done first, so you will only be shown stuff in your languages.

    > And some other suggestions:
    > - Tags grouping.

    you mean bundle?

    > - Safari toolbar.

    this is not yet on our plan. Diigolet works well on safari

    > - 'Show notes' option in linkrolls (not confuse with the current
    > 'show annotated only')

    this should be available now.

    > - Unread = still not bookmarked

    ??

    > - Wordpress plugin: to use my diigo tags to tag my posts and to
    > quickly add an annotated bookmark to them.

    how does this work?

    > Home Page:

    we have somewhat different design objective -- it is meant to be seen mostly by newcomers before registering. Once you signed in, you rarely see that page.
  • Wade Ren
     
    > - Drop down list of unread items direct from the toolbar.
    > - A "mark read" button to easily change it, and take it off the unread list.

    This is already available. Diigo >> Unread. clicking any item in there will automatically remove it from "unread"

    > Sidebar:
    > - Hyperlinks for the most commonly searched, or most recently
    > searched tags below the searchbox.

    on our to-do

    > Favorites:
    > - The ones I click on the most. Or an option to sort the list by clicks

    ff3.0's Smart Bookmarks provides this

    > Cool Extras:
    > - track changes. Since you are already letting me add notes and
    > cache pages, I'd like to be able to choose to be updated if the
    > page changes, or if my highlights change. (kinda like a builting
    > changenotes.com, before it broke).

    on our to-do

    > -screenshots would be nice, if used sparingly... such as on the
    > homepage or dashboard.

    quite a few requests on adding screencast, though I remain unconvinced that it is really beneficial since it increases page size , yet is still unreadable. Note we have "preview" feature. maybe we can add that the dashboard also.
  • Wade Ren
     
    This is an intentional design. Otherwise, if you highlight an old bookmark, you won't see it in "My Bookmarks", and you may wonder "did I do the highlight?"

    Jose Luis Pajares wrote:

    > One more and i think this can be considered as a bug: Bookmark
    > time should not change when a new highlight is done. Maybe every
    > highlight should have also its own time stamp.
  • Wade Ren
     
    all the feature requests related to cached pages are on our to-do. it will take a while as there are other higher priority tasks
  • Jose Luis Pajares
     
    good news :), hope localization wil become part of that list soon.
  • Thomas Laigle
     
    Me too...

    A "simple" multi language interface would be a nice start, I can wait for languages filter and tag translator...
    I'd be pleased to help with french translation if needed :)
  • Ellen H.
     
    Jose Luis Pajares wrote:

    > And some other suggestions:
    > - Tags grouping.

    I would like this as well--like the delicious bundles. It's the only thing I really miss.

    > About the profile page:
    > - Change the name of 'favorite sites' box in my profile, did I
    > marked as my favorites? No. So use 'top sites' instead.
    > - The same for 'favorite lists', those should be (they are) 'My lists'.

    I completely agree here. They aren't my favorites, and I'm not comfortable displaying them labeled as such.
  • Ellen H.
     
    Wade Ren wrote:

    > Jose Luis Pajares wrote:
    >
    >> Other suggestions while starting to use v3 daily:
    >> - 'My groups' tab in the new sidebar.
    >
    > ??

    Like you have the bookmarks tab and the friends tab? I think that is what he is talking about. Might be useful.
  • Ellen H.
     
    Wade Ren wrote:

    >> -screenshots would be nice, if used sparingly... such as
    >> on the homepage or dashboard.
    >
    > quite a few requests on adding screencast, though I remain
    > unconvinced that it is really beneficial since it increases page
    > size , yet is still unreadable. Note we have "preview" feature.
    > maybe we can add that the dashboard also.

    I for one am totally against screenshots--they'll make pages load slower and take up screen space, making pages feel cluttered. If you can't tell what a page is by your tags and annotations, then you really need to tag and annotate better, IMHO.
  • Soul Book
     
    I also agree about the favorites. Some of mine are kinda weird.. because there are several small, different sites hosted on the same service... which means diigo thinks the main service is my favorite. Actually I've never even looked at the main site.
    On the other hand, some are pretty good.. so maybe the feature has some merit... but Top Sites might be more apt.

    I don't use groups, but having them as a tab on the sidebar seems like a logical idea.

    Screenshots aren't a major feature i'm dying for (much rather have changenotes, remembered searches, searches, unread etc.. direct on the toolbar).

    However I can't help but notice that sites like Magnolia get far more hype and attention than ones like diigo. In terms of usability and features I'd say diigo was way ahead.. but it can't be denied that, at least at first glance, magnolia looks a lot more colorful and interesting.
    I think a lot of people who use these kind of sites are people like web designers.. and they are naturally drawn to more graphical interfaces.

    I just wonder if diigo might get more hype, and therefore have more "diigo this page" icons added to pages, if it had screenshots. (like in the favorites list).

    Maybe make it an optional feature when setting up public lists (kinda like public galleries) or make it optional for some groups?
    As I say, its not hugely important to me.. i just think it might help diigo's profile.
  • cuttingedge -
     
    I also don't believe we need screenshots. There are plenty of other ways that you can do screenshots, it
    would be a lot of work to program/maintain, and a resource hog on diigo's servers.
    As it is now you can annotate text and highlight images.
    I also wouldn't worry about getting hype or making it more colorful in order to attract people.
    Just keep the focus on the functionality and speed there. People will find diigo if it
    serves them.
  • Graham Perrin
     
    Common Tag format

    Jose Luis Pajares wrote:

    > translated_tags

    Common Tag may be an ideal way forward. Some relevant bookmarks in the Web 2.0 group at http://groups.diigo.com/group/Web2/content/tag/%22Common%20Tag%22
  • Graham Perrin
     
    Ellen H. wrote:

    > delicious bundles. It's the only thing I really miss.

    In the screen shot at http://groups.diigo.com/group/Diigo_HQ/content/546457
    a menu drops down to show:

    * bundles of tags
    * Diigo bookmarks within each bundle.
  • Thomas Laigle
     
    Just uping this subject, in case I'd eventually get an answer on localization...
  • yc c
     
    Just saw this now, very good points and I'd like to highlight what Wade said:
    > Re: localization; we need to get language filter done first,
    so you will only be shown stuff in your languageS <--SSS!!!

    The 'S' is EXTREMELY important, there are more and more multi lingual people. I find it frustrating when you can only see one side of things and need to go thought settings each time to see the other side, like if someone didn't want any culture mix or something. I've seen several Japanese sites do this... It should be a progress, not the opposite. At least if there was a way to ignore that language setting, that's what I would choose.

    This to say: Please don't forget to let users choose multiple languages. <--Many! on a language learning site I use, users complain that 3 languages is too little, and I agree.
  • Graham Perrin
     
    Thomas Laigle wrote:

    > I'd be pleased to help with french translation if needed :)

    http://groups.diigo.com/group/Diigo_HQ/content/1430752 (2010-03-25) requests Diigo in french.

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