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started by anonymous on 23 Jul 09
  • anonymous
     
    I noticed that 18 of my bookmarks were private, in spite of my saving them as public. No problem, I thought. I went to the Private tab under My Bookmarks, selected all 18 of them, and chose "Convert to public" under "More actions..." It seemed to work, but when I checked back later the bookmarks were private again. I've been through this cycle several times now, but those 18 bookmarks insist on being private. Can anyone explain why?
  • Graham Perrin
     
    I can't reproduce this bug, I converted a bookmark from private then found it under the public tab.

    Before you chose the conversion action for the selection, did you perform any other action on the same selection?

    Postscript

    http://www.diigo.com/user/grahamperrin/Diigo%2048320 is an example of a bookmark converted to public at around 22:21 UK time.
  • anonymous
     
    Graham Perrin wrote:
    > I can't reproduce this bug, I converted a bookmark from private then found it under the public tab.

    Yes, that's exactly what I see when I do it. As I said above, "it seemed to work." Then I would come back 24 hours or so later, and the bookmarks would be private again. You have to wait to reproduce it.

    >
    > Before you chose the conversion action for the selection, did you perform any other action on the same selection?

    No, nothing else.
  • anonymous
     
    There. I changed the bookmarks to public again when I posted my last message. I just checked them, and they're private now. It only took an hour.
  • Graham Perrin
     
    I, too, am bitten by this bug.

    http://www.diigo.com/user/grahamperrin/Diigo%2048320 should match two public bookmarks, both of which were converted from private.

    In fact, one of the two has reverted to private. The reversion seemed to occur within seconds.
  • anonymous
     
    Graham Perrin wrote:
    > Mine seem to be 'settling down' now, how are yours?

    I just converted my 18 private bookmarks to public again. We'll see if they stay that way.
  • Graham Perrin
  • Graham Perrin
     
    Thanks.

    At this time I see all 19, and glancing at the About and People pages for each one your name appears nowhere, which may be significant.

    1. for convenience only, a printer friendly variant of the URL:
      http://www.diigo.com/list?token=e20cb38337106a565f3b184ecff79c14&v=p

    2. Long shot: has your username ever been anything other than ehanneken?

    3. Apart from the subject matter, what might all or some of the nineteen have in common? For example:

    a) Did you create the bookmarks yourself?

    b) Did you 'save' them directly from someone else's library of bookmarks, or list, or some other diigo.com interface?

    c) Did you use Diigolet to save them, or an installed version of Diigo? If installed:

    — operating system and version?
    — browser and version?
    — version number of Diigo?

    d) When you first saved them, were they private?

    We see that one of the bookmarks was saved by you on 2008-04-30 so I don't expect you'll recall version numbers etc. that far back, but you get the idea … what, if anything, might they have in common?
  • Graham Perrin
     
    http://www.diigo.com/profile/Ehanneken shows that you joined on 2009-03-18.

    > I always save publicly.

    Can you estimate whether all nineteen became private at the same time? Or have you only recently noticed the privacy?

    If all were public, I wonder what made them private.

    > some of them were migrated from Furl.

    Is it possible that all nineteen were migrated from Furl, and that some were coincidentally saved using Diigolet during or after the import routine(s)?

    I'm reminded of the so-called stickiness of tags that result from imports (not necessarily from Furl)…
  • Graham Perrin
     
    Great answers, you have thought very logically about this.

    Your list still shows (to the public) all nineteen, but that may be thanks to its tokenised URL.

    If the switch to private recurs for any of the nineteen, my guess is that you should review:

    * first, on Tuesday 28th July

    — assuming that some routines don't run at weekends

    * again, on 31st July

    — seven or eight days after the date of your report

    — assuming that some routines have a weekly schedule, or are performed on demand (but silently) by Diigo people.

    The suggestion to review in a week may seem very peculiar (sorry!) but that's my best guess, based on the reported temporary stickiness of imported tags.

    Bottom line: I see this as unusual, but not worrying, not affecting all users, and almost certainly a passing issue.

    Thanks for your patience.

    Regards
    Graham (Diigo user)
  • Graham Perrin
     
    Eric Hanneken wrote:

    > Most, but not all, of the bookmarks are about drug policy

    I'm reminded of http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/48649

    > Drug War Goes Crazy, Cyclist Forced to Provide Sample at Son's Cremation

    Maybe an automated routine applied in both situations?
  • Matti Narkia
     
    Eric Hanneken wrote:

    > I noticed that 18 of my bookmarks were private, in spite of my
    > saving them as public. No problem, I thought. I went to the
    > Private tab under My Bookmarks, selected all 18 of them, and chose
    > "Convert to public" under "More actions..." It seemed to work,
    > but when I checked back later the bookmarks were private again.
    > I've been through this cycle several times now, but those 18
    > bookmarks insist on being private. Can anyone explain why?

    I have exactly the same problem as Eric. Some of my public bookmarks keep getting converted to private with no help form me. I've been setting them back to public, but they don't stay long that way, but are soon private again. I did not have this problem before, I think it started about the same time as with Eric.

    This is very annoying, Please do something about it!
  • Matti Narkia
     
    Now about 1 hour later I have 88 private bookmarks. After my above mentioned conversion of 123 private bookmarks to public, I had left 26 private bookmarks. So in just one hour 62 of my public bookmarks had again been converted to private against my will!
  • anonymous
     
    Matti Narkia wrote:
    > Have you received any reply from admins?

    No, I haven't. By now I assume they don't intend to respond..
  • Graham Perrin
     
    People from the Diigo team do watch this forum. Please be patient for their response.

    In the meantime:

    * privacy of your bookmark should not prevent you from working with it

    * if you wish to publicise bookmarks that are private, you can do so with:

      — a public list
      — the tokenised URL of a private list.

    Example: six of six bookmarks on this list http://www.diigo.com/list/grahamperrin/delicious-notes-examples are private.
  • Graham Perrin
     
    Matti Narkia wrote:

    > don't understand the silence of admins in this matter!

    Let's assume that the Diigo team is prioritising:

    * issues that have broader or more critical effects
    * work on the next version of Diigo.

    The absence of a reply (in any topic, not this one in particular) should not be misinterpreted as wilful silence.

    Regards
    Graham
  • The Ravine / Joseph Dunphy
     



    Same problem as Mr.Hanneken, though not as acute - three of my bookmarks have, without my consent and without justification, been changed to private. I mentioned this elsewhere, on a thread that he linked to on August 11.

    "The absence of a reply (in any topic, not this one in particular) should not be misinterpreted as wilful silence. "

    For reasons I cite elsewhere, it does raise serious concerns. I'd like to think that we're looking at no more than one employee doing this without management's approval, but ... is there more than one employee?

    Really, how much do we know about Diigo, or most other social networking sites for that matter? By the way - the first post in this discussion will soon be two months old, with no sign of a reply by Diigo's staff. I agree with Eric - they're probably not willing to respond.


  • Graham Perrin
     
    Responding to this earlier of the two topics:

    In some Diigo groups, considerate moderation/edition may be expected.

    Beyond Diigo groups: I think it extremely unlikely that any member of the Diigo team takes time out for manual edition of any bookmark within the personal collection of any user.
  • The Ravine / Joseph Dunphy
     



    "I think it extremely unlikely that any member of the Diigo team takes time out for manual edition of any bookmark within the personal collection of any user."


    And your reason for believing that would be .... what? You've heard from several independent, unconnected users who've reported the same sort of incident, been presented with the issue of the timing of the deletion - which really isn't what one would expect from the working of mindless machiniery, and your counterargument would seem to be

    "Is not!"

    Could you do a little better than that?


  • Joel Liu
     
    Hi all,
    Since there are many k-12 students and teachers in diigo, we implemented an algorithm to detect whether a bookmark contains porn content. If it does, we will change the bookmark to private automatically. However, the algorithm may do some false judgement. Let me know the URLs which were converted to private and we will try to figure out how to improve the algorithm.

    Thanks.
  • anonymous
     
    Joel Liu wrote:
    > Let me know the URLs which were converted to private and we will try to figure
    > out how to improve the algorithm.

    Thank you for replying. I sent Diigo my list six weeks ago, but here it is again, now 28 bookmarks long:

    http://www.diigo.com/list?token=e20cb38337106a565f3b184ecff79c14

    > . . . we implemented an algorithm to detect whether a bookmark contains porn content.

    It's difficult for me to understand how articles such as "Drug raids gone bad: Shopkeepers say plainclothes cops barged in, looted stores & stole cash," "Study Suggests Online Genetic Test May Help Smokers Quit," or "Mexico's Hopeless Drug War" could be mistaken for pornography. I suspect the algorithm is looking for other content as well.

    I'd like to offer a suggestion: Allow users to turn off the content filter, just as Google allows its users to turn off SafeSearch. That way, teachers can keep porn out of their classrooms, and the rest of us can choose to see everything.
  • Graham Perrin
     
    Can I respectfully ask that the bookmarks and annotations at http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/bookmark/josephdunphy be removed from Diigo Community and placed somewhere more suitable?

    A Diigo list with the opportunity to comment e.g. the List comments box at the foot of http://www.diigo.com/list?token=e20cb38337106a565f3b184ecff79c14 is a less intrusive way of representing a collection of bookmarks with which there is some difficulty.

    Also, the sandpit is available.

    Thanks.
  • Graham Perrin
     
    Gordon Goodfellow wrote:

    > Can anyone explain why?

    Gordon, please see the earlier explanation. There is some automation, and Diigo have offered to improve the algorithm.
  • The Ravine / Joseph Dunphy
     
    Graham Perrin wrote:

    > Can I respectfully ask that the bookmarks and
    > annotations at http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/bookmark/josephdunphy
    > be removed from Diigo Community and placed somewhere more suitable?

    In other words, somewhere where Graham Perrin doesn't have to look at it? Mr. Perrin, your arrogance seems to grow by the day. I'm not sure of where it was that you got the idea that this group was your own personal, private possession, but it is not, and for you to act as if it were is highly inappropriate.

    > A Diigo list with the opportunity to comment ... is a less intrusive way of representing
    > a collection of bookmarks with which there is some difficulty.

    In other words, a collection of bookmarks which don't meet with your own personal approval. I would be highly offended were the staff to show such partiality in dealing with their users and really, with good reason.
  • The Ravine / Joseph Dunphy
     



    Graham Perrin wrote:

    > Gordon Goodfellow wrote:
    >
    > > Can anyone explain why?
    >
    > Gordon, please see Joe's earlier explanation.
    > There is some automation, and Diigo have offered
    > to improve the algorithm.

    Would that be "Joel's earlier explanation", Graham? Because I'm the only person named "Joe" on this thread, and I most certainly did not offer any such explanation.

    There is, as I've pointed out, some reason to suspect that Joel and Diigo might not be telling us the whole truth, as I've pointed out elsewhere. The timing of the renewed obscuration of those bookmarks, and the two month delay in the response gives us ample reason for distrust.

    Your visible confidence that you'll be able to get material submitted by another user removed, just by asking that it be removed, only reinforces this. The very act of hiding evidence is evidence that one has something to hide.



  • Graham Perrin
     
    A typo. I meant Joel.

    Please keep personal insults out of the public area.
  • Graham Perrin
     
    the ravine / joseph dunphy wrote:

    > In other words

    In other words, respectfully: somewhere more suitable. This topic is suitable, and this topic is not hidden.

    If every personal bookmark with which a bug is associated is echoed to the Diigo Community bookmarks collection, it will become very difficult for Diigo Community (not me personally) to find bookmarks of value therein.

    It's sufficient to reference the bugged bookmark from within this topic.
  • The Ravine / Joseph Dunphy
     



    Graham Perrin wrote:

    > A typo. I meant Joel.
    >
    > Please keep personal insults out of the public area.

    Graham, get off of it. If you're going to behave arrogantly, you're going to get called arrogant. That's life. Grow up and deal with it.

    > > In other words

    > In other words, respectfully: somewhere more suitable. This topic is suitable,
    > and this topic is not hidden.

    Case in point, and let's add "liar" to the list of noncomplimentary noninsults that you may receive. You didn't just call for this bookmark or that to be moved - you called for every bookmark that I had submitted to this group to be removed, most of which have nothing to do with this discussion. One which you very clearly entered with mind already made up, carrying the proverbial axe to grind.

    Three bookmarks out of the massive pile already assembled will not shut anything down, and I think you know that. But they will beautifully illustrate the absurdity of the events that have occured, and that's really isn't something you want people to see, is it, Graham? Looking at the massive level of posting we've seen from you on this group, one that casts your complaint about my three little bookmarks (and their 14 unrelated little friends) in a truly absurd light, one might well ask if you have any life outside of Diigo at all, and indeed, much of a life outside of this group. The concept that people might look and see for themselves that there are signs that Diigo, indeed, did do wrong, really horrifies you, doesn't it?

    So much so that you're willing to attempt to abuse the disciplinary process on a site in order to keep people from seeing what you don't want them to see. That's what is truly disgraceful, and whining about how I've "insulted" you won't make the disgrace go away. Doing so merely provides Diigo with a chance to disgrace itself by acting on your sordid request.

    Let's see if they do.



  • Graham Perrin
     
    The Ravine / Joseph Dunphy wrote:

    > "liar"

    I'll respond to none of your points now or in the future.
  • The Ravine / Joseph Dunphy
     



    Graham Perrin wrote:

    > I'll respond to none of your points now or in the future.

    Wave, wave, bye, bye - and good riddance.



  • Graham Perrin
     
    Bookmarks insist on being private, against my will

    In this topic, a member of the Diigo team has requested the URLs of bookmarks that are unexpectedly private.

    Bookmarks that are unrelated to the Diigo Community group

    Bookmarks that do not fit the group's description may be removed.

    Unusually, the bookmarks area includes at least nine recent bookmarks that are not related to Diigo. For some of these, action was deferred on the assumption that there is an unexplained relationship.
  • Damien Clauzel
     
    During the last days, some bookmarks that I posted publicly into my library, and also into one of my private group, were switched to "private". It looks like the common characteristic was that they all have a "sexy" tag.

    The problem is that, in French, "sexy" can have several meanings and none all of them are about nudity. In fact, in the taxonomy we are using for annotating bookmarks, "sexy" is something (scientific project, software, idea, etc) that looks nice, independently of its intra-sec characteristics.
  • Graham Perrin
     
    Please, can you post to this topic the URLs that are affected? Thanks.
  • Damien Clauzel
     
    Here are the bookmarks, with their associated tags.

    http://www.seeks-project.info/wiki/index.php/Main_Page : moteur de recherche P2P web social web partage funky sexy veille technologique outil collaboration

    http://ignorethecode.net/blog : veille technologique IHM recherche interface interface tactile GUI groovy sexy funky ergonomie

    http://lab.arc90.com/ : javascript web social web HTML CSS recherche visualisation interactive prototype sexy funky RSS PHP SQL json ajax design

    http://tabviz.org/ : web navigateur web innovation interface sexy recherche

    http://fr.calameo.com/accounts/68698 : SlideShare web social partage publication sexy veille technologique

    http://wakoopa.com/ : web social suivi d'activité partage trace veille technologique awareness découverte exploration web collecte sexy funky traçage outil

    http://lab.andre-michelle.com/tonematrix : musique IHM veille culturelle veille technologique HCI interface visualisation ergonomie son intuitif visuel sexy groovy funky addictif magique Flash
  • Damien Clauzel
     
    Again last night, those 7 bookmarks were forcibly switched to private.
    It begins to be pretty annoying.
  • Graham Perrin
     
    Algorithms, databases, signatures

    @ Diigo

    False positives seem to be rare so I guess that your chosen algorithm is good.

    If you seek alternatives/complements, two options come to mind:

    1. http://sanesecurity.co.uk/databases.htm not all databases, but rogue.hdb and the like may be useful

    2. http://wiki.untangle.com/index.php/Web_Filter_Submission_Tool categories such as ubl-drugs and ubl-porn - plus at http://www.untangle.com/web-filter there's the

    > Community URL Submission tool

    - I used that tool recently to submit a URL to one of the categories.
  • Damien Clauzel
     
    Well, according to our experience in French academics, false positives in Diigo are /not/ quite uncommon.
  • Graham Perrin
     
    Sorry, I meant 'rare' to mean 'infrequent' - more than four months between the last reported URL in this topic, and the report at http://groups.diigo.com/group/Diigo_HQ/content/1764828

    I understand the frustrations. Just wishing for an improved filtering routine.
  • Carol McWilliams
     
    Diigo powers-that-be, please approve the following bookmarks that are restricted to "private" status.

    After reading through this thread, I realize that some the bookmarks which keep switching back to "private" may be failing due to the topic of breast cancer! Others are less clear.

    Examples:

    Levels of Evidence: Adult and Pediatric Treatment Studies - National Cancer Institute
    http://cancertrials.nci.nih.gov/templates/doc.aspx?viewid=2b9ac8c6-7202-4728-9dd0-77ca57170044&sectionid=30&version=1&print=1

    FDA: Office of Oncology Drug Products
    http://www.fda.gov/AboutFDA/CentersOffices/CDER/ucm091745.htm

    Breast Cancer Online
    http://www.bco.org/
    BCO is a peer-reviewed educational service made available free to users working in the numerous fields of breast cancer research and treatment. The content of the website is invited and reviewed by an independent international editorial board of experts from a multi-disciplinary perspective. This site is intended for healthcare professionals and as such may contain information not intended or suitable for patients. For this reason we ask interested readers to register for usage.


    Management of a Patient With Inflammatory Breast Cancer
    http://www.cancernetwork.com/triple-negative-breast-cancer/content/article/10165/1170511

    ScienceDaily: Breast Cancer News
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/news/health_medicine/breast_cancer/

    LBBC - Living Beyond Breast Cancer
    http://www.lbbc.org/

    PDR - Drug Information, Side Effects
    http://www.pdrhealth.com/drugs/drugs-index.aspx
    Physicians' Desk Reference information on prescription, over the counter medicines, herbals and supplements.

    Breast Cancer - Inflammatory overview from Cancer.Net
    http://www.cancer.net/patient/Cancer+Types/Breast+Cancer+-+Inflammatory
    Overview with links to statistics, symptoms, treatment, clinical trial resources, current research and more. From the patient portal of American Society of Clinical Oncology.

    National Breast and Cervical Cancer Early Detection - Find a Local Program - NBCCEDP
    http://apps.nccd.cdc.gov/cancercontacts/nbccedp/contacts.asp

    Understanding Your Pathology Report: Breast Cancer
    http://www.oncolink.org/types/article.cfm?c=3&s=5&ss=36&id=9588
    Written in laywoman's terms, clear and understandable. Includes grades, stages, type of breast cancer, hormone receptors and more.

    National Breast and Cervical Cancer Early Detection Program (NBCCEDP)
    http://www.cdc.gov/cancer/NBCCEDP/
    The Centers for Disease Control's National Breast and Cervical Cancer Early Detection Program (NBCCEDP) provides access to breast and cervical cancer screening services to underserved women all 50 states, the District of Columbia, five U.S. territories, and 12 tribes.


    BreastCancer.org - Breast Cancer Treatment Information
    http://www.breastcancer.org/

    San Antonio Breast Cancer Symposium
    http://www.sabcs.org/

    Inflammatory Breast Cancer Program - Dana-Farber Cancer Institute
    http://www.brighamandwomens.org/bwhcancer/pat/adult/breast-cancer/inflammatory-breast-cancer/
    Dana-Farber/Brigham and Women's Cancer Center's team of specialists have expertise in the treatment of inflammatory breast cancer (IBC). Located in Boston, Massachusetts.

    IBC Clinic at MD Anderson Cancer Center
    http://www.mdanderson.org/patient-and-cancer-information/care-centers-and-clinics/care-centers/breast/services/index.html
    In 2006, MD Anderson Cancer Center unveiled the Inflammatory Breast Cancer Research Program and Clinic. Just one year later, the clinic and research program were renamed for Morgan Welch, a young woman who died from IBC at the age of 24. Located in Houston, Texas.


    Fox Chase Inflammatory Breast Cancer Clinic
    http://www.fccc.edu/news/2010/2010-05-10-ibc.html
    Opened in May 2010, it is the first IBC clinic on the East Coast. Located in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

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