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Charlotte Randolph

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  • Barak Obama
    • Dena Rennie
       
      You might wanna double check the spelling on that, I'm pretty sure it's "Barack."
  • Right now this country needs a collectivist mindset.
    • Dena Rennie
       
      This seems to be the general thesis of the paper, but I don't see any evidence truly supporting this statement. It goes from trying to state that McCain is wrong for the job, but then you go on to discuss their rhetoric of the debate, and not mentioning anything on why Obama would be the better candidate, or supporting evidence of why McCain has an individualistic mindset.
  • compassionate
    • Dena Rennie
       
      I don't think this is the right word here. I think you mean these are the issues of which he is most passionate.
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    • Dena Rennie
       
      It kind of feels as if the paper ends rather abruptly. A conclusion that sort of sums the idea of the paper up might help buffer that. Also, there are a lot of grammatical errors throughout this paper that need to be gone back over- mainly missing commas here and there, and couple phrases that don't seem like the right words. Also, I didn't see any citations in the paper. You definitely need to go back through and add them into your paper.
  • s “Senat
    • Dena Rennie
       
      any time you have a direct quote, you always need a comma before the quote starts, and then before the quote ends, unless it's the end of a sentence (in which case it needs the proper punctuation). words, "Senator Obama doesn't understand,"
  • Barak Obama
    • Dena Rennie
       
      You might want to double check the spelling. I'm pretty sure it's "Barack"
    • Angela Moneck
       
      Yes, Dena is correct.
  • As a matter of fact, John McCain used a certain gesture with his hands whenever he felt the need to emphasize a point which, to me, showed a bit of frustration on his part. 
    • Dena Rennie
       
      It almost feels as if this might need to be a new paragraph. It goes from discussing his verbal rhetoric to his visual rhetoric, so maybe you might want to add more about his spoken rhetoric than on his visual rhetoric before you jump into that. Or you might want to add more about Obama's verbal rhetoric and that might add some balance.
  • Barak Obamas
    • Dena Rennie
       
      *Barack Obama's
  • John McCain in the other hand did not have a solution he just kept speaking about Barak Obama and what he does not understand or on how he wants to raise taxes and does not explain Obamas good reasons behind it.
    • Angela Moneck
       
      This is a pretty long sentence. You could break the run on up into two sentences like this- "John McCain, on the other hand, did not have a solution. He just kept speaking about Barack Obama and what he does not understand or on how he wants to raise taxes, without explaining Obama's good reasons behind it." Something along those lines would probably make it flow a little better.
  • The gesture that I am speaking of is the balling up of his fists and shaking them until he released his thought or comment.  This simple, yet reparative gesture is what I would consider to be somewhat of an ethos characteristic of John McCain’s debate performance because he took on a type of attitude with each time he presented the gesture and it became a habit throughout his debate.
    • Angela Moneck
       
      I'm not sure if I understand how his gesture is considered to be ethos. Maybe you could go further into explaining this.
  •  In comparison with the hand gestures that John McCain exhibited in the debate, Senator Barak Obama displayed a similar form of ethos characterization. 
    • Angela Moneck
       
      Again, I think you should go further into explaining how this is ethos.
  • His intent was to portray his more sensitive side and feelings about the war by mentioning an encounter he had with a family member of a 22 year old solider who died in combat in Iraq.
    • Angela Moneck
       
      This is a good example.
  • Bibliography
    • Angela Moneck
       
      You need to have a works cited and an annotated bibliography.
  • Janice T. Perez Rivera
    • Angela Moneck
       
      Okay, so for some reason, it's not showing my floating sticky notes of my three topics, so I'm going to put them in here. Assignment Parameters- I think you have a start to your main idea but didn't go on further with it. Like Dena said, it seems like your thesis is that "right now this country needs a collectivist mindset." You didn't go on to explain how Obama has a colectivist mindset. Also, this statement is a bit biased. I know that it is extremely hard to keep your opinion out of a paper like this, but you could try not to make it so harsh. You may be able to say, "Unlike McCain, Barack Obama has a more collectivist mindset." Your purpose is somewhat clear, but it seems to jump around a bit at times. Organization- I think this is the biggest thing you need to work on. I see part of an introduction in the paper, but not an official one separate from the rest of the paper. You could use "Upon completeing..." to "some ways" as your introduction and maybe add a little background of what rhetoric is or something along those lines. I also didn't see much of a closing in the paper, so maybe you could sum up the main ideas of your paper into a short closing to make it more organized.
    • Angela Moneck
       
      Conventions-I noticed a few puncuation, spelling, and grammatical errors, so I would suggest just going back through and re-reading your paper to catch those particular errors. You need to use MLA format in the paper, including your header with your name. You also need to add in text citations.
  • Barak Obamas logo represents change “one voice can change” is part of his slogan
    • Charlotte Randolph
       
      This sentence kind of confuses me. It's how you start I think that is confusing, saying his logo represents.....try to reword it.
  • This proposition is truly important because it’s a huge change that will affect more than half of the people in America. This proposition shows change. Change is not something that many people are in favor of because change can be scary. However his logo illustrates clearly “change.”
    • Charlotte Randolph
       
      These sentences need to be conbined or changed they don't flow well together.
Sean McMillan

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    • Sean McMillan
       
      You need a concise thesis statement.
  • He quotes that National Security
    • Sean McMillan
       
      awkward wording.
  • He believes in treating all Americans equally. McCain quotes “Don’t increase taxes on anybody”. McCain wants to keep taxes the way they are. This is ethical, logical, and fair to all American citizens.
    • Sean McMillan
       
      choppy, cite quote.
    • Sean McMillan
       
      Good start on ethos, but you need to further explain all your points.
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  • In all I see Obama as a better rhetorical speaker; he appears more comfortable in oral or written communication. I do view John McCain as a better candidate for the position of President of The United States.
    • Sean McMillan
       
      support you claims as to why.
    • Sean McMillan
       
      find a concise overall conclusion based on rhetoric and support whatever claims you make.
  • The President of The United States, probably the most important position in the world, will be chosen. Rhetoric, skill in the effective use of speech, will be a crucial factor in determining the next President (Merriam Websters Collegiate Dictionary). Barack Obama and John McCain, the two main Presidential candidates, must be able to persuade American citizens toward their view.
    • Sean McMillan
       
      you use the same sentence struction 3 times in a row. Mix up your structures and usage.
  • Obama convinces his audience by telling them exactly what they want to hear. Obama convinces via the ideals of logos. Most of his answers to the elements which lay before him make perfect logical sense. Obama uses pathos in his Rhetoric. One hears passion and concern in the words of Obama. Ethos can also be found in many of Obama’s ideals. Obama seems to be ethical and moral by the ideas he has presented to American citizens.
    • Sean McMillan
       
      short, choppy writing. Assumed too many social norms.
    • Sean McMillan
       
      expand on all your points and use specific examples and quotes to support your claims.
  • Essay
    • Sean McMillan
       
      Just work on your style and thought process. Your writing seems a little choppy and unconcise. Try to find a simple to the point thesis and conclusion and work on the flow of your thoght process. Also just some small grammatical and wording mistakes.
  • this.
    • Sean McMillan
       
      This paragraph seems a little lost, none of the points pertain to your thesis. Maybe combine with the previous or next paragraph, or even add some thoughts on rhetoric pertaining to these points.
  • paper.
    • Sean McMillan
       
      This paragraph gets closest to your thesis idea, try to combine this and work it in with some of the earlier information. to make a very concise simple thesis statement.
  • Works cited
    • Sean McMillan
       
      mla format?
  • Iraq).
    • Sean McMillan
       
      this is a lot of good information, you just need to work in explanations from what all this means as far as obama's approach to rhetoric. Maybe how the audience would react to all these points.
Amanda Flores

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    • Ashlee Duckworth
       
      Title?
  • Through their methods of doing this
    • Ashlee Duckworth
       
      Sounds weird for some reason, maybe you could put .... through various methods
  • we can
    • Ashlee Duckworth
       
      No Point of View!
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  • Everyone
    • Ashlee Duckworth
       
      POV
  • and a s
    • Ashlee Duckworth
       
      in a ?
  • very good
    • Ashlee Duckworth
       
      very well spoken? or very intelligent public speaker maybe?
  • McCain’s campaign is fairly well fleshed out, as it has its bases in Bush’s platform
    • Ashlee Duckworth
       
      This sentence seems out of place. I think you were trying to use a transition, but this does not seem to fit.
    • Amanda Flores
       
      I agree.
  • uses logos
    • Ashlee Duckworth
       
      the use of
  • address
    • Ashlee Duckworth
       
      addressed
  • one war.  
    • Ashlee Duckworth
       
      one in war
  • allows him to
    • Ashlee Duckworth
       
      allows a way ... that part of the sentence sounds weird
  • worse and Iraq.
    • Ashlee Duckworth
       
      worse in Iraq?
  • It is interesting to note that in his visual rhetoric McCain tends to avoid approaches on Logos, instead focusing on pathos, while in his written rhetoric, such as this article, he does the opposite
    • Ashlee Duckworth
       
      Very nice observation!
  • Obama is a very good public speaker
    • Ashlee Duckworth
       
      Not worded right
  • ones do. 
    • Ashlee Duckworth
       
      No need for the word do. end it at ones.
  • s transition — despite
    • Ashlee Duckworth
       
      Maybe use a comma, or semi colon. that dash looks weird
  • Obama uses Logos in both his visual and written rhetoric, and does so quite masterfully
    • Ashlee Duckworth
       
      very nice sentence. Great adjective!
    • Amanda Flores
       
      Agreed!
  • to me
    • Ashlee Duckworth
       
      POV!
  • Obama does not seem to focus very much on pathos, but he uses logos so well that it isn’t really necessary
    • Ashlee Duckworth
       
      Interesting thought
  • Obama is
    • Ashlee Duckworth
       
      Obama's?
  • t we ca
    • Ashlee Duckworth
       
      POV!
  • nature, speaking
    • Amanda Flores
       
      I feel like this is a run-on. I think it would sound better if you ended the sentence after nature. And start the next sentence on why or how he addressed it that way.
  • I find
    • Amanda Flores
       
      Point of view
  • and quite
    • Amanda Flores
       
      Take out and.
  • the statement out there
  • Obama is
    • Amanda Flores
       
      Obama's
  • coming, and coming soon
    • Amanda Flores
       
      It would sound better if you said: The day of the election is coming soon.
Dena Rennie

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    • Dena Rennie
       
      What better way to exemplify ethos than with one the one Presidential candidate who uses it the best?! While I am not here to support or diss OBama, I have to give him the credit that he uses his charasmatic qualities to charm the media, press, politicians, and common people of America in his speeches into believing every word he says. To me, he pretty much defines what ethos is all about.
Alex Gutierrez

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  • responsible
    • Garrett Granger
       
      Replace with responsibility.
  • For the candidate who wins
    • Garrett Granger
       
      Maybe replace with, "the elected candidate"
  • holds the office of head of state
    • Garrett Granger
       
      holds the office as head of state...
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  • He was the son of divorced parents. He lived with his mother in the beginning of his life, and then moved in with his grandparents for the rest.
    • Garrett Granger
       
      Maybe you should combine the two sentences and reword the very end. Perhaps provide the information for why he moved in with his grandparents.
  • So you can pick the best candidate for the job, you must compare each one.
    • Garrett Granger
       
      Reword this sentence. Maybe something like, " In order to slelect the best candidate for the job, it's important to compare them to one another."
  • I am going to look at a speech and essay from both John McCain and Barack Obama.
    • Garrett Granger
       
      It's not necessary to tell the reader what you are going to do in this manner.
  • Both McCain and Obama did a speech
    • Garrett Granger
       
      Word choice could be better here.
  • The rhetoric used here was ethos.
    • Garrett Granger
       
      Explain how this was used.
  • talks
    • Garrett Granger
       
      Tenses are conflicting here.
  • tells the people why what he plans to do is better.
    • Garrett Granger
       
      This would be a good spot to use specific examples.
  • He wrote this is show that
    • Garrett Granger
       
      He wrote this to show...
  • He uses actually numbers.
    • Garrett Granger
       
      Maybe replace this sentence with a quote from the article.
  • he does use a lot of logic.
    • Garrett Granger
       
      Again, provide examples.
  • By comparing all the speeches and essays rhetorically of both McCain and Obama, you could decide on a winner.
    • Garrett Granger
       
      Reword this sentence and exclude the word "you".
  • I have only compared one of each on the candidates.
    • Garrett Granger
       
      Try not to incorporate your own opinions in the essay.
  • you must examine and analyze the rhetorical strategies used by each candidate.
    • Garrett Granger
       
      Again, reword and try to drop the word "you".
  • (Dictionary.com)
    • Alex Gutierrez
       
      I would maybe reword this sentance if you can. The words are kind of awkward.
  • He is the one who has to make all decisions for the American people.
    • Alex Gutierrez
       
      Think about elaborating alittle more in the opening paragraph. Maybe try with a clear thesis statement.
  • s may
    • Alex Gutierrez
       
      try using "are" here.
  • directly or indirectly
    • Alex Gutierrez
       
      Give examples of each one here.
  • about how he knows how hard the war is on everyone, but knows we need to finish it and not back out so we don’t hurt us in the end.
    • Alex Gutierrez
       
      Kinf of awkward reading here. Maybe try to reword this sentance.
  • uch a personal feel to it. He was looking at the crowd the whole time,
    • Alex Gutierrez
       
      very good evidence. Shows his passion.
  • tates many facts
    • Alex Gutierrez
       
      maybe give a few of the facts here to back up statement.
  • Since he has fought in a war
    • Alex Gutierrez
       
      good stuff here.
  • So by figuring out which politician makes the most convincing statements,
    • Alex Gutierrez
       
      Which ways to we go about making this decision? Maybe elaborate a little more, and close the essay out a little stronger with examples. Other than that. Good Paper
Angel Aramayo

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  • While both Obama and McCain use ethos, pathos, and logos in their speeches and/or media presentations one candidate uses them more effectively than the other.
    • Meghan Winn
       
      good opening paragraph!
    • Meghan Winn
       
      i think 'and/or' just needs to be 'and
  • opens his speech with a personal anecdote about how war affected
    • Meghan Winn
       
      change of tense between 'opens' and 'affected'
  • goes on the say,
    • Meghan Winn
       
      i think you mean 'goes on to say'
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  • the main characteristic that he used was in using
    • Meghan Winn
       
      this part of the sentence doesn't make sense
    • Angel Aramayo
       
      yeah i think you just have a few to many words in this sentence. Sentences don't always have to seem or be complex to get the point across.
  • and or
    • Meghan Winn
       
      this should just be 'and'
  • rhetoric
    • Meghan Winn
       
      what kind of rhetoric?
    • Angel Aramayo
       
      When you make statements like this, like meghan said i think it would be good to back up the statement with different examples of rhetoric
  • in this speech
    • Meghan Winn
       
      This is not needed you already said 'in Obama's speech' at the beginning of this sentence.
    • Angel Aramayo
       
      yeah try not to say the same thing twice in the same sentence
  • terroists
    • Meghan Winn
       
      correctly spelled 'terrorists'
  • statements mean that
    • Meghan Winn
       
      these words make the sentence confusing
    • Angel Aramayo
       
      Yeah i think if you re-structered the sentence it would help
  • a man that
    • Meghan Winn
       
      i think it would be more clear if you just said 'that he'
  • and Iraqi
    • Meghan Winn
       
      missing quotation mark here
  • This is a hinderence because his argument
    • Meghan Winn
       
      i think it would be more clear to say 'this hinders his arguement because'
  • Obama also used logos throughout his argument such as
    • Meghan Winn
       
      this is kind of confusing.. it might be better to say 'obama also used logos throughout his argument in statements like'
    • Angel Aramayo
       
      i really do not get what this is suppose to be? All it states is that he used logos. why not back it up with examples of logos
    • Meghan Winn
       
      Your last paragraph introduces new topics and issues that you had not previously discussed. I can't tell if it is supposed to be your closing or not because if so it doesn't really support the rest of the paper.
    • Meghan Winn
       
      you used a lot of quotations but never cited where they came from
    • Meghan Winn
       
      you did a good job using the correct point of view and you used a lot of good details
    • Meghan Winn
       
      The organization of your paper was very good. It helped your ideas be easily understood and also helped the flow of the paper.
Cybil Scott

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  • But in the August NBC/WSJ poll, McCain led Obama significantly among non-college whites (51%-33%) but narrowly among college-educated whites (46%-43%). The GOP presidential nominee improved those college numbers in the most recent NBC/WSJ poll (to 51%-43%), but that’s still below Bush’s numbers in October 2004.
    • Cybil Scott
       
      This is an example of ethos because the argument is mostly driven by what people think of the candidates reputation. There are poll numbers and percentages, because all the candidates want you to choose them because they think they are the best one for the job. This argument relies on values, the idea of change, race, and other sensitive issues that apply to one party or the other. Around this time of year when there are elections we are bombarded by ethos, combined with pathos and attempts at logos.
anonymous

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  • Sophist
    • Ryan Meehan
       
      The Sophists were a group of traveling teachers in Ancient Greece who were hired by citizens who were looking to become better, more persuasive teachers. Today, the term "sophistry" carries a negative connotation, as it refers to arguments that use rhetoric for malicious reasons, like to confuse or distort.
  • What is it, anyway, and why do people say such terrible things about it?
    • Ashlee Duckworth
       
      This comment makes me feel like rhetoric isn't such a bad thing even though I hate it.
    • Angel Aramayo
       
      I think the reason why people do not like rhetoric is because it is very diverse.
    • Ryan Meehan
       
      Why do you hate, rhetoric?
  • truth exists in an absolute way, and the only proper use of rhetoric is to lead people to it.
    • Ashlee Duckworth
       
      This helps in my understanding of rhetoric and makes me want to use rhetoric to see the truth.
    • Meghan Winn
       
      I like this way of looking at rhetoric.. not just convincing people what you believe but leading them to the truth.
    • Angel Aramayo
       
      Also i think if you believe in what the truth stands for it makes it easier for you to bring people to it.
    • Cybil Scott
       
      It always depends on where the person wants to take you. What truth they consider to be the right one. Always worth pondering over because people get sucked in without even knowing it.
    • Ryan Meehan
       
      Cybil brings up a good point here. In a world where many truths, be they religious, scientific, philosophical etc. exist for many different people, it is often the execution of rhetoric that leads people to believe in one thing over another.
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  • People should use rhetoric to try to persuade each other, so that in the end, after hearing arguments on all sides of a question, they might arrive at the best course of action.
    • Ashlee Duckworth
       
      This is a good way to look at rhetoric. It gives me a new perspective on it.
    • Angel Aramayo
       
      I think this is one of the best explanations of rhetoric i have seen so far.
    • Bob The Builder
       
      Using rhetoric to persuade each other is an excellent idea because it helps make an answer to a question more objective and it reduces any biases.
  • Anyone who has lived with a cat or a dog can think of numerous ways these animals practice rhetoric in Kennedy's sense -- exert rhetorical energy -- to express their feelings and to get humans to do what they want.
    • Ashlee Duckworth
       
      I never thought of rhetoric being used by animals but now that is explained to me, I guess I could see where it is possible!
    • Charlotte Randolph
       
      I would have never thought about animals using rhetoric. I found it very interesting that they would use it in such a simple way. They convey what they need throught their sounds and actions.
    • Angel Aramayo
       
      Wow, i never thought of an animal using rhetoric to make sense. My dog will get his leashe when he has to go out or when hes hungry he will put his head on my leg while i am sitting down. Also he eats around the same time everyday and he will start following me around and pacing back and forth till i get him his food.
    • Brandon Cruz
       
      My dog does many of the same things. So really, rhetoric is communication. If we did not have a need to express different ideas we would not need language.
    • Bob The Builder
       
      When I read the line above that states "rhetoric is manifext in all animal life..." I thought that sounded ridiculous. But by reading this line, I now understand what they are talking about and, in fact, it seems very true.
  • Even when rhetors do not intend to persuade outright, still they must be concerned with their credibility
    • Ashlee Duckworth
       
      Thinking about this comment, I reflect back to when I speak to my friends and pretty much anyone and I realize that in some way or another I am always trying to persuade them of something. Even when I don't realize it!
    • Ryan Meehan
       
      Yes. And I'd like you to carry this idea to the papers you write for this class. You'll want to pay careful attention to whom the intended audience is, and then make your own rhetorical writing decisions based on what you know about that audience's expectations.
  • [R]hetoric is inoperative when the audience lacks the power to respond freely to the message
    • Ashlee Duckworth
       
      This is so true! If you are trying to persuade someone to be on your team, but they are already on your team, then why are you trying to persaude them?
    • Sean McMillan
       
      This statement solidifies the importance of the audience when it comes to rhetoric. You could have the best argument in the world, but without the right audience it could be meaningless.
  • Asian writing is more likely to spiral on itself, reiterating ideas in various ways. Many students who come to us from foreign countries have to learn not only to speak and write in English, but also to follow the rhetorical conventions of a foreign culture.
    • Ashlee Duckworth
       
      I never knew this. Interesting fact!
    • Angel Aramayo
       
      I had no idea. Must be tough!
    • Sean McMillan
       
      you don't really think of rhetoric as being any different from any other language or culture. I guess it's all relative.
    • Brandon Cruz
       
      I couldn't imagine going to study in China and having to write like that. Hats off to the students over here.
    • Ashlee Duckworth
       
      This is an awesome paragraph and really helps to describe what its like being immersed in something you don't know and how we still use what we learn after we are not involved in it anymore!
    • Ashlee Duckworth
       
      These two paragraphs help me with understanding alot about rhetoric and how to use it!
  • Everyone practices rhetoric
    • Angela Moneck
       
      This entire section of the work makes it more clear how everyone uses rhetoric. When I think of rhetoric, I just think of advertisers and authors who use it to persuade their audiences, but I really didn't realize how much we use rhetoric until you see an example like the dog and cat example in the sixth paragraph.
    • Cybil Scott
       
      It's kind of exhausting when we think about all the rhetoric we see on a daily basis. Especially in advertisiing!!!
    • Bob The Builder
       
      This is an excellent title for a section because, while most of us do not realize it, we all do practice rhetoric on a daily basis. Because its such a broad topic, people dont realize how often it is used.
  • The rhetoric is a kind of smoke screen, or a trick with mirrors meant to deceive.
    • Angela Moneck
       
      I like this metaphor. It makes the story a little bit more interesting. I don't feel like I'm just reading something out of a textbook when I read this. It makes me want to read further to understand exactly what they are trying to say.
    • Meghan Winn
       
      I agree with Angela about liking this metaphor. So many people think that rhetoric is a "trick..meant to decieve" but really they probably use it all the time without even noticing.
    • Angel Aramayo
       
      Yeah i really like this metaphor also, and i agree with the second comment i dont think alot of people realize how often they use it.
    • Garrett Granger
       
      I think this comment is very accurate. Sure, people may not realize how often they use this technique, but when in use, rhetoric helps to steer the listeners opinions in the speakers direction.
  • the emotional energy that impels the speaker to speak, the physical energy expended in the utterance, the energy level coded in the message, and the energy experienced by the recipient in decoding the message.
    • Angela Moneck
       
      I really like the way this was put-it makes me think further into what he means.
    • Cybil Scott
       
      I love this. It's such a huge statement on the basis of the world, and in philosophy. Talking about energy and the way it comes through people is another subject altogether.
    • Angela Moneck
       
      I like the way that he put this-it really makes me tihnk further into what he's saying.
  • Put another way, rhetoric is a way to affirm values and hopefully avoid armed conflict: it's better that people work out their differences with words rather than with swords or guns.
    • Meghan Winn
       
      It would be nice if that could always work and we could avoid wars and other conflicts!
    • Angel Aramayo
       
      Yeah i agree, wouldn't it be nice to bring some troops home or had a couple of wars and such avoided?
    • Cybil Scott
       
      Wow. If we could work stuff out by just using words, wouldn't the world be quite a different place!! There's only one requirement though, everyone would have to be educated and intelligent. So until then, if we're gonna be dumb we gotta be tough.
    • Brandon Cruz
       
      I wish the world would work like this. I feel that people today are so concerned with being "right" that they forget to try look at all of the angles my self included. Many of are just so stubburn that we will never be able to think this way.
  • But the domain has shifted many times in subsequent ages.
  • Even when rhetors do not intend to persuade outright, still they must be concerned with their credibility; with what their audiences already know and needs to know; with how their audiences are likely to feel about the subject; with how to begin, how to end, how to arrange the middle -- all these and more, to earn the greatest possible cooperation from their readers.
  • In the academic community we would do well, all of us, faculty and students, to think of ourselves as rhetors -- even as rhetoricians, students of rhetoric. Because in some ways we are.
    • Charlotte Randolph
       
      I think this is very true because we use rhetoric in papers we right in school to convince the readers of what we are discussing. Faculty uses rhetoric to persuade their colleagues and students almost every day.
    • Angel Aramayo
       
      I think at some point everyone uses rhetoric probably once a day if not once a week to try and get something across.
    • Garrett Granger
       
      Again, I have to agree with this statement. As college students, we use rhetoric everyday to try and prove ourselves. More specifically, logos is used almost everyday at the university level.
  • Discourse that affects an audience, that informs, moves, delights, and teaches, has a rhetorical aim. . . . Rhetoric implies choices, for both the speaker or writer and the audience. When we practice rhetoric we make decisions about our subject, audience, point of view, purpose, and message. . . . Furthermore, the audience must have a choice in responding to the message, must be able to adopt, modify, or reject it.
    • Charlotte Randolph
       
      I liked this paragraph because I think it is very true, when we practice rhetoric we are making a decision about what we want to convince our audience of and how to do it. At the same time the audience makes the desision of how to take the information and accept it or not. This is really evident in a debate, because you as the speaker make the decision of how to convince your audience and they in return decide how they will respond to it.
  • Hitler's Germany
    • Cybil Scott
       
      Hitler was indeed a truly evil person with a hidden agenda who exterminated over 6 million people. Unfortuantely, as many people realized he was a very skilled public speaker. He was popular for a reason. He was extremely good at persuasion and making people think what he was accomplishing was good for the nation as a whole. This is where the danger lies. One always has to think critically and see beyond the rhetoric.
    • Vincent DiDomenico
       
      I agree with Cybil. Rhetoric is, as Hitler has proven, a powerful form of persuasion. We must always remember, however, that it is just that--a method of persuasion.
  • winning
    • Cybil Scott
       
      A mind-set that many people should change. It's never about being right or winning for the sake of winning.
  • Speech would not have evolved among human beings unless rhetoric already existed
    • Cybil Scott
       
      So philosophical and deep. I could debate on this for hours!
    • Garrett Granger
       
      This is a very interesting statement. It seems very possible that it could, in fact be true. If we accepted everything we were told, there would be no reason to respond when spoken to, except for a gesture of acceptance.
  • Ethos: how can I establish credibility, to show I've "done my homework" on the subject I'm writing about? What face should I present to the reader: that of a student? a professional in training (Word Works #55-56)? Pathos: who are the audiences for the writing? What can I assume the audiences already know and feel about the subject (#76, 77)? Logoi: how can I make sure my information is complete and my arguments logical (#78)?
    • Bob The Builder
       
      Because i often confuse ethos, pathos and logos, these questions are great examples to distinguish one from the others. It is especially useful because these are questions we (the students) constantly ask ourselves.
    • Meghan Winn
       
      I agree that these examples of the types of rhetoric helped me distinguish between the three! Every time I write a paper or just an informal writing assignment I ask myself many of these same questions.
    • Angel Aramayo
       
      Yes i also often get the three confused but these examples helped out big time!
  • "How `true' is a truth if you can't get anybody to accept it?"
    • Sean McMillan
       
      very good quote. Sad but true. Just because your speaking the truth doesn't mean there isn't someone else with a better argument.
  • he took the domain of rhetoric to be uncertainty and probability, particularly in the law courts and the deliberations of democratic government
    • Michael Gutierrez
       
      This is important because rhetoric is only as trustworthy as the speaker.
    • Alex Gutierrez
       
      I think that this is looking at rhetoric from one perspective, however I think that rhetoric can also be used as a good thing. Helping people make the right decisions, not necesarilly a "trick with mirrors"
    • Sean McMillan
       
      very true, rhetoric can be used to just inform. It's not always used to just trick or persuade. Its a good way to pass on information.
  • In fact, rhetoric is manifest in all animal life and existed long before the evolution of human beings.
    • Alex Gutierrez
       
      This is a good observation applying the notion of rhetoric not only to humans but to all living things. Wolves for example have a very strict hierarchy that is strictly regulated. The leaders in these poeitions utilize body language and strength, along with experience. Which is all a part of rhetoric.
    • Ryan Meehan
       
      Great comparison, Alex. Thanks.
  • Rhetoric has always been a tool that can serve either good or evil,
    • Sean McMillan
       
      This statement clarifies that rhetoric can and does get used in situations when the authors not necessarily right. As stated before with the hitler reference, someone with a good understanding of their audience and rhetoric can do some harmful things.
  • People moving from one culture to another must cross not only a language barrier, but also a cultural barrier -- part of which is rhetorical.
    • Dena Rennie
       
      This is undoubtedly true. To give another example like the one listed below here. Being a sign language interpreting major, here is a cultural barrier problem I have seen. In Deaf culture, Deaf and hard of hearing individuals value directness and being blunt about subjects. If you have put on a little weight, it is nothing for a Deaf person to sign HEY YOU LOOK DIFFERENT, BEFORE THIN NOW FAT HAPPEN? (cultural note, that is ASL syntax, i couldn't really add the facial grammar glosses- but that would be the basic sign order. Prepositions and conjuctions are usually implied) This may be very difficult to accept for a person who is not associated or well-versed with the Deaf community because one may think they are being rude, when really that is how the cultural as a whole is. I have noticed sometimes Deaf and hard of hearing people get frustrated sometimes with people who beat around the bush because they feel that the person that they are communicating with is trying to hide something. This sometimes causes problems, especially if the interpreter forgets to interpret the cultural differences (which happens upon occassion).
    • Ryan Meehan
       
      An absolutely fascinating comment, Dena. Those of us who are not hearing impaired know that without body language it is often difficult to communicate clearly. For people who depend wholly on body language, it is even more important. Thanks for sharing.
    • Angela Moneck
       
      I think you made a really good point with your example. When I think of different cultures, I think of someone who maybe lives in Europe compared to the United States, but your example opened my eyes to a differnt way in looking at cultures. :)
  • Cultures vary over space and over time.
  • Cultures vary over space and over time. What was true of rhetoric for the ancient Greeks and Romans is not necessarily true for us.
    • Angela Moneck
       
      This is a very true statement. Culture affects many different aspects of our lives, so I can definitely see that it would affect how rhetoric is viewed. Even someone from a different culture today may not see the same rhetoric as we see.
    • Garrett Granger
       
      I find it interesting how this statement suggests our form of rhetoric is different from the Greek and Roman forms, when we still classify rhetoric based on Aristotle's three appeals.
  • the shock of entering the "Burkean parlor."
    • Angela Moneck
       
      I really like this phrase and it's explaination, a lot. I've learned about culture shock in many of my classes, but seeing it in this way makes it so much more clear to me how difficult it must be for a person coming from one culture to enter into a competely different culture and have to adjust to the customs of the new culture without knowing basically anything about the culture ahead of time. One of the things they have to adjust to is the rhetoric of the culture.
    • Alex Gutierrez
       
      This really is an interesting way of puting that cultural barrier into perspective for those of us who have never been forced to experiance is.
  • However, the discussion is interminable. The hour grows late, you must depart. And you do depart, with the discussion still vigorously in progress.
    • Angela Moneck
       
      This part, to me, goes with the fact that culture changes all the time. When the person enters the conversation, it is impossible for them to catch up in every single bit of the discussion, and when they leave, the discussion is still going on, making it impossible to know the entire rest of the conversation. It is, in a way, saying that it's impossible to know every single bit of a culture because it is ever-changing.
    • Cybil Scott
       
      Such is life.
  • The "Burkean parlor" might be taken as a parable for a lot of things: for entering the culture of a different country (as many of our students have done), for entering college or a new job, perhaps for life itself.
    • Angela Moneck
       
      Before reading this sentence, I only thought of a person being entered into a new culture from a differnt country, but now I know that it can mean many different tihngs.
    • Angel Aramayo
       
      I also interpreted it as say going to a new country for the first time but it is now easy to understand how it can mean different things.
  • When we study the organization and style of journal articles and conference presentations in order to write and speak in a similar or different manner, we are being rhetoricians. When we teach our students how to write in the discipline, how to handle the conventions of subject matter, arrangement, language, format, and documentation, we are being rhetoricians.
    • Angela Moneck
       
      This is another example of how rhetoric can be used in every day life.
    • Cybil Scott
       
      I think we are rhetoricians all the time; when we speak to someone else that is. I don't think we can be rhetorical to ourselves.
    • Angel Aramayo
       
      I said it earlier and this makes sense to me also, i think people especially teenagers use rhetoric everday.
    • Sean McMillan
       
      rhetoric is definatley everywhere. It's used from trying to decide where to eat dinner to matters of national security. Rhetoric is a skill set that can help anyone in life.
  • A year later the student happens across the original article, reads it again easily, and wonders, What was so hard about that?
  • A year later the student happens across the original article, reads it again easily, and wonders, What was so hard about that?
    • Meghan Winn
       
      This is definatly something that has happened to me before! Whether it's a new subject in school or just something I happen to be interested in, the first few times I look into it I have no idea what they are talking about but later on it seems so easy!
  • A student (and that could be any of us) tries to read a journal article in an unfamiliar field. It could be in physiology, education psychology, rhetorical theory. The student struggles with the article, rereads paragraphs, writes notes all over the margins trying to understand the gist of what's being said.
    • Garrett Granger
       
      I could be completely misinterpreting this, but I think that it would be the content of what is being discussed that causes the confusion, not rhetoric. I understand that there are many forms of rhetoric, but don't they all have the same purpose? In some way or another, rhetoric persuades and informs. Again, I could be looking at this the wrong way. I'm interested in seeing other thoughts on this topic.
    • Cybil Scott
       
      When someone thinks to hard about anything they make it more complicated that it is. Creativity and clarity usually comes when you least expect it, or when you are not thinking, and this should be applied to everything. Quietness of mind.
  • For instance, two of the main "arts" or rhetoric, memory and delivery, have taken entirely new forms in this age of word processing and desktop publishing.
    • Brandon Cruz
       
      This is interesting to think about. Instead of us being able to write and re-write something to make it more rhetorically sound, ancient Greeks only had one opportunity, while speaking, to get it right.
    • Alex Gutierrez
       
      This is interesting, as I discussed last week anything that stays around for a while has to evolve, and adapt to the times.
  • Aristotle taught that there are many areas of human experience where the truth is hard or impossible to determine
    • Bob The Builder
       
      I've learned that this is very true. It goes back to the old saying that not everything is in black and white. We often find ourselves in the gray area.
  • Some of the most dramatic scenes are those in which the characters attempt to persuade other characters: Agamemnon's disastrous attempt to rally the troops; Nestor, Ajax, and Odysseus trying to persuade Achilles to rejoin the battle; Hera seducing Zeus to distract him from the war; Priam persuading Achilles to give up the body of Hector.
    • Bob The Builder
       
      This line caught my eye because many of these stories, such as Zeus, Odysseus and Achilles, were taught to us when we were younger and, at the time, we never knew that rhetoric was being used.
  • Another assumption behind the slogan "cut through all the rhetoric" is that rhetoric is only what certain people use, such as politicians and orators, and they only use it on certain occasions.
    • Bob The Builder
       
      I think this assumption is often made because it is such a broad topic that most people do not understand what is considered rhetoric.
  • Even the writer of a parts list has to decide on nomenclature, arrangement, and the appearance of the list on the page or computer screen for the greatest clarity -- all rhetorical decisions.
    • Bob The Builder
       
      This is a good example of how the simplest writing, such as a list, uses rhetoric.
    • Angel Aramayo
       
      I don't know why but some things seem to get alot more complicated when you start thinking rhetorically.
  • Also, Westerners want their writing (not in all genres, but in exposition and argument) to drive forward, from beginning to end, in a linear fashion.
    • Alex Gutierrez
       
      American's are very to the point when looking at accomplishing goals. Sometimes a little bit to much and it hurts us. However this also why we are number 1. Rhetoric is definitely a clutural aspect as it fluctuates. Rhetoric really is devided into many different ways, depending on who is trying to be convinced. Rhetoric is constantly changing and must be in order to be used effectively.
  • But all of us function as rhetoricians
    • Alex Gutierrez
       
      This is a great example. Teachers are people that we look up to, and expect to understand the topic at hand. We put our faith in their history, and knowledge in that specific topic to help us understand better.
  • In fact, we would do well to think of most of our communication as rhetoric, as a series of decisions and strategies for earning the cooperation of our audience.
    • Alex Gutierrez
       
      This is exactly what rhetoric is compacted in one sentance. Very good brief description I think.
    • Sean McMillan
       
      I agree, great wording. It helps cement the face that rhetoric isn't just some overblown academic technique, but a instinctual ability that you've been honing since childhood.
  • Today, many rhetoricians argue that most speech and virtually all writing must be regarded as not only rhetorical, but as persuasive in some important ways.
    • Michael Gutierrez
       
      I think it is interesting to see how how writing and speech have been viewed throughout history. From the Ancients to current day Rhetoric has been looked at in many ways. I dont agree with most rhetoricians today who argue that most speech today is Rhetorical. The main purpose of a speech in my opinion is not to persuade but to motivate.
  • The student has been initiated into the discourse community and is getting ready to join the conversation.
    • Michael Gutierrez
       
      If a person wants to be good at anything the key word is practice. The student referred to in this paragraph was completely lost in the beginning but soon the tasks ahead of him became simple. This is because of his dedication and practice. The same can be applied to rhetoric. In order to give a good persuasive speech one must practice practice and practice some more. Rhetoric is more than just language its a art.
    • Sean McMillan
       
      practice is definatley important. The more you practice rhetoric no matter how foreign it may seem at first, the better you become. And the better you become the more persuasive or informative your argument can be.
  • It might be interesting, too, to think of our students' writing as rhetoric, and help them understand it as rhetoric.
    • Michael Gutierrez
       
      Once again I dont think all writing should be looked at as rhetoric. Most writing should not be rhetoric in my opinion.
  • In the Middle Ages, rhetoric was concerned with sermons and letter- writing. In the Renaissance, its domain was extended to poetry and all else that we call "creative" writing. During the Enlightenment, rhetoricians and natural philosophers studied the role of language and rhetoric in the making of scientific knowledge.
    • Michael Gutierrez
       
      It is interesting to see how the view of rhetoric changes with the changing of culture.
  • Anyone who has lived with a cat or a dog can think of numerous ways these animals practice rhetoric in Kennedy's sense -- exert rhetorical energy -- to express their feelings and to get humans to do what they want.
  • Rhetoric implies choices, for both the speaker or writer and the audience. When we practice rhetoric we make decisions about our subject, audience, point of view, purpose, and message. . . . Furthermore, the audience must have a choice in responding to the message, must be able to adopt, modify, or reject it. . . . [R]hetoric is inoperative when the audience lacks the power to respond freely to the message
    • Dena Rennie
       
      This is very true (I accidentally read too far last week so now I'm switching since I wrote on the latter half last assignment). Rhetoric is about choices for both parties. The speaker/writer chooses the direction they wish to persuade their audience to feel, and hope that they choose to accept that direction. This is seen everywhere, but as the Presidential Debates are going on as I write this in the background, we will use this an example. McCain and Obama are both posing their choices tonight. They are posing their strategies which choices should be made about our country. Each of them discuss their point of view, and why it is important to them why do carry things out in such a way. We, as the audience, whether watching on TV or at the debates- will make a choice after the are finished (or maybe even before they are finished). Those choices could be to support Obama, McCain, or we can choose to support neither and simply not vote as neither, one may feel, is truly qualified. Even if you don't want to make a choice, eventually you will. And the beauty of this great country is that you're free to choose any of these options. In countries where freedom of speech or choice of how you will place your vote is obsolete- there really is no use for rhetoric, because you lack the power to respond to the messages they give. We might as well put the two names in a hat and draw for President without the power to respond. This is why I'm glad I live in America. We have the choice to respond to rhetoric. We still have most of our liberties that allow us a voice, a number of countries in the world don't have as they under communist rule.
  •  
    Rhetoric has been around for thousands of years, and the reason why is because it evovles to better suit the times. It is almost a fundamental ellemant of what rhetoric is. What possibly would have persuaded someone thousands of years ago possibly would interest us today. The way we speak and persuade has changed, and that is a part of the evolution of rhetoric.
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    Even when rhetors do not intend to persuade outright, still they must be concerned with their credibility; with what their audiences already know and needs to know; with how their audiences are likely to feel about the subject; with how to begin, how to end, how to arrange the middle -- all these and more, to earn the greatest possible cooperation from their readers.
  •  
    Rhetoric, like most things has a formula, an equation that if performed correctly achieves the goal of persuasion and credibility.
  •  
    Even when rhetors do not intend to persuade outright, still they must be concerned with their credibility; with what their audiences already know and needs to know; with how their audiences are likely to feel about the subject; with how to begin, how to end, how to arrange the middle -- all these and more, to earn the greatest possible cooperation from their readers.
Alex Gutierrez

https://docs.google.com/a/mail.usf.edu/View?docid=dfnk558c_1hpcjzwcm&AuthEventSource=SSO - 0 views

  • all of the world
    • Michael Gutierrez
       
      One of the most powerful Countries in the World.
  • And as the end of President Bush’s term approaches, American’s final decisions become more and more important
    • Michael Gutierrez
       
      I think this sentence should be rearranged. It just does not sound right to me. Also I would describe what you mean in this sentence better.
  • yeas
    • Michael Gutierrez
       
      years
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  • op-ed
    • Michael Gutierrez
       
      What is this?
  • McCain’s reliance on factual examples to persuade the reader makes logos the primary form of rhetoric present in the op-ed.
    • Michael Gutierrez
       
      This a good and important paragraph for this paper. I would elaborate on this last sentence. Also remember to watch sentence structure.
  • form
    • Michael Gutierrez
       
      from
  • form
    • Michael Gutierrez
       
      from
  • It’s apparent from the very beginning that ethos is the major form of rhetoric being used in the speech. 
    • Michael Gutierrez
       
      You need to describe this better. Really try to back up your statements.
    • Alex Gutierrez
       
      Why is it that ethos plays a role here. Maybe want to give a little more evidence here with some specific examples of why.
  • Like John McCain, Obama expressed his opinion on the war in Iraq and explained how he would deal with the issue if he were elected President, and again like McCain; the article included a great deal of factual information.
    • Michael Gutierrez
       
      Watch sentence structure
    • Alex Gutierrez
       
      In the above paragraph you say McCain did not have factual information. May want to look at this in a little more detail.
  • Because Senator Obama’s article relies mainly on factual information as a means to persuade the viewer, logos is the primary form of rhetoric present.
    • Michael Gutierrez
       
      This is a good sentence. I can see where you are coming from in this sentence when you say logos is the primary form of rhetoric.
  • disprove any untrue statements made by the Republican candidate’s party
    • Michael Gutierrez
       
      What are the untrue statements?
  • Hopefully the analysis of the usage of rhetoric will allow for individuals to have a better understanding of the presidential candidates, and will be able to make an accurate decision in November.  
    • Michael Gutierrez
       
      This is a good sentence in that it relates back to the opening paragraph. I would try to make your conclusion a little stronger.
    • Alex Gutierrez
       
      Attempt to make the conclusion a little stronger. Wouldnt be hard to do and could add alot to the affectiveness of your paper.
  • Works Cited
    • Michael Gutierrez
       
      You also need an annotated Bibliography
  • McCain uses little factual information and a great deal of hypothetical situations in order to persuade his audience.
    • Alex Gutierrez
       
      try to stay away from point of views here. Or if he uses hypothetical situations what are they?
  • Again, there is no factual basis to support the Senator’s claims.
    • Alex Gutierrez
       
      Factual information is not necesarilly pertinent here because the war is not over. Maybe use something like history has shown as an example that this will not happen or something along those lines.
  • “We won’t have sufficient resources to finish the job in Afghanistan until we reduce our commitment to Iraq.”
    • Alex Gutierrez
       
      This seems also to me like an opinion. What authority does the chairman have. Why would this statement be more credible than the statements and experiences that McCain has had. Maybe give a little more detail in explaining this here.
  • Obama used factual information in order to defend himself against the claims of the McCain campaign.
    • Alex Gutierrez
       
      What are some of these factual informations and where do they come from.
Dena Rennie

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  • Works Cited
    • Angela Moneck
       
      Good job with the Works Cited and annotated bibliography.
    • Angela Moneck
       
      My floating sticky notes aren't working again, so here is my conventions critique: Conventions- The only thing I noticed was a small amount of spelling errors and that the in text MLA citations are missing. Otherwise, good job. Especially on the works cited and annotated bibliography.
    • Dena Rennie
       
      Make sure if you use MLA works cited, that you use MLA paper sourcing as well. And usually you need an extra space between sources in MLA works cited, it also makes it a lot easier to read the sources.
  • different
    • Angela Moneck
       
      You've used the work "different' four times in two sentences. You could substitute this word with another word to make it more interesting.
  • He also,
    • Angela Moneck
       
      A comma is not needed there.
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  • throught he
    • Angela Moneck
       
      Speling error.
  • Also, he appeals to the veryday people with comments like that on his website that say, “I’m asking you to believe, not just in my ability to bring about real change in Washington… I’m asking you to believe in yours.”
    • Angela Moneck
       
      Good quote.
    • Dena Rennie
       
      everyday is missing an e
  • Also, there is John McCain who has been around the presidential election process before. He has ran for President before and did not make it past primary elections. He was a part of the U.S. House of Represenatives for Arizona in 1982, and was elected to the U.S. Senate in 1986. He is someone who has been around the hustle and bustle of the Washington lifestyle. He is someone who, it would be thought, would be ready for the highest position in our country. His platform has included helping out our economy and ensuring our national security. He wants to get health care costs down to a price that is reasonable for all people. One thing that McCain differs from Obama on is the issue of Iraq. McCain believes we need to assist Iraq in becoming a prosperous country on its own, before we can back out and leave them alone.
    • Angela Moneck
       
      I like how you introduced each candidate. It makes the paper flow much better.
  • McCain’s written rhetoric can be seen on his website where he describes how he plans to change our country. His main ideas and what he stands for are clear to see there. It says “Country First: Reform, Prosperity, Peace.”
    • Angela Moneck
       
      This paragraph is very short. It's a good point, but I think you can go into it further. You could do this by possibly giving another example.
    • Dena Rennie
       
      This paragraph's length makes it one of the weaker points of the essay. It starts off with a good transition, but there is no evidence to support that what he stands for on issues.
  • Each candidate uses rhetoric to appeal to their potential voters. They both use Pathos to appeal to their audiences. They appeal to the middle class by promising a change in the way they have lived their lives, by lowering taxes and getting more affordable healthcare. Obama appeals to the minorities saying that it is their time to take a stand and get out and vote, telling them that they can make a difference. Ethos is a big part of politics, because if we have no confidence in what they have stood for in the past how can we back them now. A person’s reputation is key in politics, especially in the Presidential election. This is the time when scandals become forefront, because each party is trying to discredit the other. If we aren’t confident in the person how can we be confident in the policies. Logos is used, although I’m not sure always effectively. Politicians use logic to appeal to people saying how things in our country are now and how they believe they can change them in the future. For instance, logically if we are in a state of economic crisis we want someone who plans to change that for the better.
    • Angela Moneck
       
      I see where you're going with this paragraph, but I'm not sure if it's effective. I think that you need to explain individually in the paragraphs exactly what is an example of pathos, what is an example of ethos, and so on. Otherwise, I think it would be hard for people, especially people who don't completely understand rhetoric, to be able to figure out what is an example of which one.
    • Angela Moneck
       
      Organization-Your organization was good and clear. With the exception of the conclusion, I wouldn't change anything.
    • Dena Rennie
       
      Your organization between candidates is good, but I would probably discuss the rhetoric each candidate uses within the paragraphs in which you discuss the candidates. It would help the paper flow a little better and possibly help improve your transitions between candidates even stronger.
    • Dena Rennie
       
      And I agree with Angela, you should most definitely have evidence to backup what rhetoric method each uses. Also there are very little references in this paper to sources, which you definitely need to make sure you use. This is a really good paper and I would hate to see you lose points due to possible plagarism. Even when you paraphrase you need to cite your source.
    • Angela Moneck
       
      Assignment parameters- I thnk your main idea is conveyed effectively. I feel that your purpose is clear and easy to understand.
  • adamentaly
    • Dena Rennie
       
      I could be wrong but I think this is misspelled.
  • different
    • Dena Rennie
       
      Try finding another word besides different, it has popped up quite a few times within the first paragraph, and it's a little overload. Usually you don't want to use a specific word more than two times within a paragraph (three if it's a very large paragraph, definitely no more than that)
  • Election
    • Dena Rennie
       
      Election doesn't need to be capitalized
  • There has been much debate about the candidates for this year’s election.
    • Dena Rennie
       
      This first sentence seems a little awkwardly worded.
  • bama’s Written rhetoric is clear in
    • Dena Rennie
       
      1) Written doesn't need to be capitlized. 2) This paragraph seems like it stops short. It feels there should be more depth to it. One example is easily to manipulate into saying that "well that's just a one time thing, he did this some other time." The more examples you have, the stronger your argument will be. =)
  • McCain uses visual rhetoric in his speeches and debates as well. H
    • Dena Rennie
       
      Same thing applies here as the paragraph above. The more examples you have, the stronger your argument. Make sure you have reputable sources as well.
Brian Russo

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  • If a person speaking appears uncomfortable or unsure about what they are saying, the audience will perceive their ethos and credentials as untrustworthy, and persuasion will not work.
    • Brian Russo
       
      good point
  • slow steady controlled speech
    • Brian Russo
       
      commas
    • Brian Russo
       
      good examples of ethos logos and pathos
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  •     I believe
    • Brian Russo
       
      no first person
  • I found
    • Brian Russo
       
      no first person
  • It gives him more credit over his competition with Barack Obama
    • Brian Russo
       
      reword
  • us feel
    • Brian Russo
       
      us to feel
Meghan Winn

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  • in seeing
    • Meghan Winn
       
      this should be 'to see'
  • “the War
    • Meghan Winn
       
      'The' should be capitlized
  • to for
    • Meghan Winn
       
      'to' should not be there
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  • and so
    • Meghan Winn
       
      i think it would flow better if you took these words out and just started with 'throughout' as a new sentence
  • McCain,
    • Meghan Winn
       
      comma should be before McCain not after
  • McCain’s underlying purpose
    • Meghan Winn
       
      Why do you call it underlying? I feel like that is kind of the whole point of his speech.
  • Speech
    • Meghan Winn
       
      doesn't need to be capitalized
  • With that said he goes on to explain the mounting cost of presence not just in dollars but the amount of live that have been lost since the start of the war.
    • Meghan Winn
       
      This sentence is confusing.. it might be cleaer to say 'With that said he goes on to explain the mounting cost of our presnence in Iraq, not just in dollars, but in the amount of lives that have been lost since the start of this war.'
  • therefore our
    • Meghan Winn
       
      doesn't make sense
  • and so
    • Meghan Winn
       
      I think it would flow better if you took these words out and started another sentence with 'He'
  • statement
    • Meghan Winn
       
      should be plural
  • we continuing without and
    • Meghan Winn
       
      might make more sense saying 'our continuing without an'
  • but the also
    • Meghan Winn
       
      doesn't make sense
  • used ethics
    • Meghan Winn
       
      earlier you said he didn't directly discuss an ethical issues
  • Videos
    • Meghan Winn
       
      why is this here?
  • numerous and respected
    • Meghan Winn
       
      i don't think you need the word 'and' here
  • , such
    • Meghan Winn
       
      it would flow better if 'such' started a new sentence
  • uses logos to justify his position on the war, he constantly made
    • Meghan Winn
       
      you changed tense from 'uses' to 'made'
  • officials also
    • Meghan Winn
       
      should be 'officials who also'
  • whom republicans
    • Meghan Winn
       
      i think it should be 'whom are republicans'
  • that don’t support the war. 
    • Meghan Winn
       
      this makes the sentence a little wordy and is not needed since you already said they 'share his view of a misguided war'. it is kind of repeating yourself
  • but lack pathos
    • Meghan Winn
       
      doesn't make sense
  • Such statements combined with other rhetoric effects do make this a somewhat appealing argument. 
    • Meghan Winn
       
      this sentence contradicts the rest of the paragraph
  • McCain would result
    • Meghan Winn
       
      might make more sense to say 'is what would result'
  • “& intolerable violence. 
    • Meghan Winn
       
      no end to this quotation
  • Obama was more successful in the visual portion due to logical transition and development of his ideas.  Obama’s use of the rhetorical techniques was more forceful and poignant, he spoke with more fervor and greater deal of certainty in his position and thus was able to deliver a better argument.
    • Meghan Winn
       
      you kind of discuss new thoughts here.. you might want to add another paragraph after it that ties into your main idea more and closes the paper
    • Meghan Winn
       
      You used lots of quotes throughout your paper but never cited where they came from.
    • Meghan Winn
       
      You had very good details and awesome word choice! You also used the correct point of view throughout the paper and did a good job staying on topic.
    • Meghan Winn
       
      Your opening is good but i'm not sure if the last paragraph is meant to be a closing since it discusses new topics. You might want to add another paragraph or make that one relate more to the rest of the paper.
Cybil Scott

Throughout the entire 2008 el... - 0 views

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  • With his use of Pathos and his ability to win over the hearts of the American people, Barack Obama appears to be out in front in the 2008 election. It seems that John McCain has run a traditional and honest campaign through his use of an Ethos-type strategy in an attempt to establish himself as experienced and able to serve, but perhaps this wasn't what the American people wanted to see this time around. George W. Bush used similar tactics to establish himself as a credible candidate, and it appears that the American people are ready for new beginnings, and primed for the "Change We Need".  
    • Cybil Scott
       
      I think you are a very good writer. It felt like I was reading something out of a newspaper which was great! However, for the purposes of rhetoric, I feel like you didn't talk directly about it enough except for the conclusion part of your paper.
Cybil Scott

As election season is in full... - 0 views

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  • One would also find out why each candidate appeals to certain groups of Americans.  To analyze these points further, we must look further into each candidate’s effectiveness in both written and verbal communication.
    • Cybil Scott
       
      the flow is really good here.
  • somewhat exclusive to some people.
    • Cybil Scott
       
      might want to edit.
  • plans to in the war
    • Cybil Scott
       
      i think you forgot a word.
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  • John McCain’s written rhetoric seems to be a straightforward approach with minimal use of inclusive words, unlike Senator Obama’
    • Cybil Scott
       
      good point!
  • based on as complete
    • Cybil Scott
       
      ??
  • The urgency to vote in this election has been a constant staple in the mainstream media, especially within the last few months.  While it is important to vote, it is more important that voters be educated on the issues, so they will be inspired to vote for someone they believe will be the better pick for president.  One can find that inspiration by researching each candidate and deciding for themselves where their vote would be best placed.
    • Cybil Scott
       
      It seems like your conclusion is a bit disconnected from the rest of your paper.
Amanda Flores

Oral rhetoric vs. Written rhe... - 0 views

shared by Amanda Flores on 06 Nov 08 - Cached
  • disagree with
    • Garrett Granger
       
      Maybe try using the word "oppose" here.
  • Some resources that support these claims are “Images in Words: Presidential Rhetoric, Charisma, and Greatness” by Cynthia G. Emrich, Holly H. Brower, Jack M. Feldman and Howard Garland,  “Survival of the Fittest: Rhetoric during the Course of an Election Campaign” by Jennifer Jerit, “Visual Rhetoric in Advertising: Text-Interpretive, Experimental, and Reader-Response Analyses” by Edward F. McQuarrie and David Glen Mick, “Support of Content and Rhetorical Processes of Writing: Effects on the Writing Process and the Written Product” by Kirsten R. Butcher and Walter Kintsch and, “The Rhetoric Institute: Notes and Comments” by Patricia Sullivan.
    • Garrett Granger
       
      I don't think it's necessary to list your sources here.
    • Amanda Flores
       
      When you are using these sources throughout your paper, you should state the person's creditablity. If not, what you are trying to back up won't be as effective.
  • these kinds of tactics are successful because “appeals that are high in emotional content will survive longer than other types of arguments.”
    • Garrett Granger
       
      This is a good example of backing your claims with factual information.
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  • Jerit illuminates, “arguments that cause citizens to feel angry might inspire them to mobilize for or against a particular candidate.”
    • Garrett Granger
       
      Again, good usage of information from one of your source to support your claims.
  • Able minded Barrack Obama’s oral speech seems to be more successful than John McCain’s oral speech in their attempts to achieve persuasion.
    • Garrett Granger
       
      Maybe leave this closing statement at the end of the previous paragraph. It makes this one a little confusing.
  • “Presidents who engaged in more image-based rhetoric in their inaugural addresses were rated higher in charisma.”  They say, “Followers cannot act on messages they do not hear… people who are vivid, whether in appearance, manner or speech are more salient, and hence attract more attention than those who are not.”                                                                                   
    • Garrett Granger
       
      I think you are relying too much on quotes toward the end of the paragraph.
    • Amanda Flores
       
      Instead of using all the quotes, you could summarize. There are good points, just sum them up instead of quoting.
  • In his oral speech
    • Garrett Granger
       
      It gets a little confusing the way you go back and forth when comparing the different works by each candidate.
  • The use of ethos pathos and logos were used by Barack Obama and John McCain in written and oral speeches they gave.
    • Garrett Granger
       
      Be sure to seperate the paragraphs here.
  • written speech
Meghan Winn

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  • trid to
    • Meghan Winn
       
      tried*
  • further they called their oppnents past actions into question.
    • Meghan Winn
       
      opponents* also, sentence structure is kind of confusing
  • Even though McCain used more logos in his speech, he blundered in advocating the establishment of MFI, which would be another governmental agency even though he says that “We don't need a dozen federal agencies doing the job badly”.
    • Meghan Winn
       
      this sentence is confusing
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  • Obama seemed to deliver a better message in that he didn’t contradict himself, constantly kept his audience engaged on topics that are of interest to them.
    • Meghan Winn
       
      you need a connecting word such as 'and' between 'contradict himself' and 'constantly kept'
    • Meghan Winn
       
      You didn't really have an opening or closing paragraph. I couldn't really tell if you even used 2 written messages and 2 visual or just one of each.
    • Meghan Winn
       
      You used some quotes throughout your essay but didn't ever cite where they came from.
    • Meghan Winn
       
      You also did not discuss the structure of their messages, their intended audiences or how comfortable they are in either form of communication (written of oral).
    • Meghan Winn
       
      The second paragraph is a good analyzation of their rhetorical strategies. It is also good that you stated what their messages focused on because since you didn't give a works cited page and used different media than the suggested ones I wasn't really aware of what your chosen messages were about.
    • Meghan Winn
       
      You did a good job with your point of view. You didn't address the reader as 'you'.
Janice Perez Rivera

Sean McMillan - 0 views

  • he just feels that he doesn’t have the right personality to run the United States.
    • Janice Perez Rivera
       
      That last sentence does not flow as well as it should.I think it's the word run "personality to run the United States" Maybe you should try,...he just feels that he doesn't have the correct personality to lead this country. or you can use the United States.
  • George bush
    • Janice Perez Rivera
       
      Make sure you capitalize Bush
  • When addressing and issue or speaking to the audience,
    • Janice Perez Rivera
       
      Instead of using and use an issue.
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  • This theme was a great example of ethos, where he connected to people’s emotions with something they deal with everyday and love dearly, the family.
    • Janice Perez Rivera
       
      This is a very valid point on how he connected with the middle class. Just a suggestion another way that Obama connected with the middle class and getting them to feel connected to him in someway were they feel like he completely understands them was by advertisement through the internet... not just his websites but through facebook and myspace. That is how he reach to college students. Also the radio.
  • He a great example of someone
    • Janice Perez Rivera
       
      He is a great example of someone verses He a great....
Brandon Cruz

Discussion: Your rhetorical life - 53 views

I think the past couple of months have been the most rhetorical months of my entire life, if you will. With the presidential elections in full swing I found myself right in the middle of the action...

Angela Moneck

Public Writing Assignment #1 - 80 views

Update: I just posted my comment onto YouTube now that it let me sign up. I did have to shorten what I originally wrote because of the character limit. Here is the link again: http://www.youtube.c...

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