[News] How to transfer your Furl links - 276 views
started by Maggie Tsai on 09 Mar 09
started by Maggie Tsai on 09 Mar 09
started by Maggie Tsai on 09 Mar 09
started by Maggie Tsai on 09 Mar 09
We have made transferring your Furl links to Diigo quick and easy. Please visit the transfer page: http://www.diigo.com/import_all/transfer_furl and see more details here http://blog.diigo.com/2009/03/16/welcome-furl-users/
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> We have made transferring your Furl links to Diigo quick and easy.
> Please visit the transfer page:
So we can understand ...
Is Diigo planning to close Furl, eventually, absorbing its users and content, the way Vox absorbed Pownce, or will the two sites continue to exist, side by side?
Some users might prefer Furl. I can't imagine why, but they're over there and not here, so they must see something I don't. Leaving Furl in existence might leave those users with a more favorable view of Diigo.
Yes - given that we have very frequent website and toolbar updates, we'll be migrating furl users to the Diigo community and phasing out Furl.
We've just started the codebase transition and will be doing a thorough Furl code / features review. Will post additional comment as we investigate further.
Meanwhile, here is the data transfer mapping:
Furl Diigo
-------- ---------
Title ---> Title
URL ---> url
Comments ---> Description
Topics ---> Private Lists
Date ---> created_at
Public ---> public
Unread ---> unread
Clipping ---> Annotation
Keywords ---> Tags
No - there is no need. Should you have a delicious account, then doing a simultaneous bookmarking to delicious also serves as a backup.
My Pleaser Mam, Thnx for creating Diigo.
> Thumbnail support - there are pros and cons. We will soon invite you to try out V3.5 alpha and get your feedback there.
i m very much interested to get v3.5 alpha test invitation :)
> Import / export - we do have that in http://www.diigo.com/tools Maybe something that I'm missing?
actually i m asking for import/ auto export (like del.icio.us auto-posting thru Diigo) from Diigo a/c to Stumble Upon a/c. but i found that Stumble Upon is almost completely from Diigo. Diigo is mainly for serious work (i.e. knowledge archiving, education, research tools, collaboration etc) and Stumble Upon is just for Casual surfing , free time freaking out. very difficult to find old fav in stumble upon. luckyly i m new in stumble upon too . so few page i like for casual fun i manually add to Stumble Upon fm Diigo. and few page i like for knowledge i manually add to Diigo fm Stumble Upon . so no need any Stumble Upon / Diigo Sync .
> SubList -- > interesting, but will add to a lot of design complexity. Will discuss more here.
i would i love to hav this . (MY MOST NEEDED FEATURE REQUEST :)
it will extremely helpful for me :)
plz send me an v3.5alpha invitation :)
Cheers, Markus.
I am suddenly feeling very old, as this transition is forcing me out of my comfortable box.
So far, things are not going very cleanly for me. My Furled items have not transferred, though I started yesterday. I tried again, after a few hours, but that didn't help. Now I've probably overloaded things and will either wind up with duplicates or a broken account.
Part of it apparently worked, though, as I appear to have an empty Diigo account. Now, do I want to stay here, or search for a new bookmarking tool?
Diigo has cached pages: #1 feature found, good. Unfortunately, I tried bookmarking a link, and the cache engine seems broken. Looks server-side, so probably no chance of saving things hidden behind firewalls, logins, or other protections. No clue if I'll rescue my furl cache someday either.
Diigo has a bookmarklet to mark pages: Good. In this age, no excuse for not making it easy. The "flyover" nature is much better than Furl's, which was getting crufty. argued with my popup blocker.
Diigo's bookmarklet doesn't have other Furl features I am accustomed to: I've lost My tag list. I hear Diigo will someday Suggest tags, based on OTHER people, but I want My list. It's about Namespace, and arguably, even under Furl, I had issues. To be most useful, Tags or Categories or List items? need to be ... (not sure of a good term) unduplicated. Segmented. Normalized. I need to keep at bay my tendency to create tags called "hdtv" AND "HD" AND "Widescreen". Sometimes a distinction needs to be made, but for effective browsing, a smaller number of categories(er, Tags, Topics, whatever) needs to be maintained. My tag list in Furl was already out of control, and I had asked if they could figure out how to make some kind of hierarchy, so I could organize a little bit. (for instance so I could put "H.264" and "DivX" and "WMV" under "codecs" without visual clutter when I'm dealing with something else)
I also miss the star ratings, even though there was some strange furl thing that made me only use 3 and above.
Diigo has some new wonky "annotation" bit: Huh. That looks cool.
Diigo looks like it has a lot of import, export, and blogging options: could be useful. I've long thought this stuff could or should go on my blog; and with annotations, that looks like it could be way better than trackbacks.
In the message I am replying to, it shows the data transfer mapping from furl to diigo, and I see that furl's "Topics" are going to "Private Lists". UGH. What's a List? looking further, ok, it's another "tag", but "orderable". Ok, not a feature I thought I needed. But here's a rub: the Diigo bookmarklet doesn't allow you to add "lists" to an item you are bookmarking, only Tags. That means my old stuff and my new stuff are in different uh... Lists? NAMESPACES.
I'm learning a lot, bending a lot, I hope I come out of this better off, but it's pretty uncomfortable right now.
Sorry, though, I'm not going to twitter. That's farther than I am willing to "grow" right now.
I hope that's not the only help besides the docs.
-greenup
Maggie Tsai wrote:
> Joseph,
> Yes - given that we have very frequent website and toolbar updates, we'll be migrating furl users to the Diigo community and phasing out Furl.
>...
> Meanwhile, here is the data transfer mapping:
>
> Furl Diigo
> -------- ---------
> Title --- > Title
> URL --- > url
> Comments --- > Description
> Topics --- > Private Lists
> Date --- > created_at
> Public --- > public
> Unread --- > unread
> Clipping --- > Annotation
> Keywords --- > Tags
I think I had a point or two, they just got lost.
1. Diigo looks nice. Spiffy new features.
2. I miss some of my old Furl features, is Diigo going to do them? (stars, tags)
3. Can you fix some things Furl wasn't doing very well?
4. I'm not sure Topics->lists is the best answer; will I be able to fix this if I don't like it?
5. AAAHHHRRRRGGGGG
:-) Thanks-
greenup
(oh, and may I mention #1 again; thanks for picking up Furl.)
greenup greenup wrote:
> AAAAAAHHHHHHHRRRRRGGGG!!!!!
>(and lots of other vague ramblings.)
First, start with the basics - try diigolet first before trying toolbar
Even simpler, http://blog.diigo.com/2008/06/27/tip-of-the-day-add-a-bookmark-on-site-diigo-simple-bookmarklet-now-available/
Regarding Furl site - the transition is taking place - we're in the process of receiving and reviewing their codebase. After we have a full evaluation, we will determine what are some essential features to incorporate in our upcoming new releases
Regarding the data mapping, first, since fundamentally there are some differences in two systems and different users have different usage behavior, there is no one single solution that fits all, but what we are looking for is the most "optimal" solution.
After some further discussion, we will map topics to both tags and lists. That way, if some users do not like lists, they can easily delete them or ignore them.
We've just made that change, so it will take effect for all new import. For those already have import successfully done, please initiate a new "import" - it will overwrite the old data (note: we can identify users who had done the old import method and be able to automatically reimport them in the backend. However, given the huge amount of import request, we will first finish processing what's in our queue before making new changes.)
Lastly, should we be somewhat "quiet" on the user forums sometimes - ie. don't reply right away, don't worry! we haven't taken off to hang out on the beach. In fact, our entire team has been working really hard to not only help with the transition issues, but working hard on our next rounds of new releases. We're "perfectionalists" and passionate about making Diigo the best knowledge sharing and management platform for individuals, work groups, and companies. While we really love to be responsive and interact with our users whenever we can, there are time that we need to concentrate on our work, especially considering our limited bandwidth (few of us serving lots of you :-)
Every feedback is important to us. While we may not be able to respond to every single post, we do listen and think along actively. We will try to respond whenever we have time. Should there be urgent issue, please do contact us by email.
Hope this helps.
I haven't and won't use the toolbar. My browser has too many bars just in its basic configuration; with a widescreen, Bars reduce my usable content area. Also, as a security professional, I barely trust javascript, much less platform native code. (Not to mention concerns about compatibility with other system components, company policies, ...)
Glad the new import does things (I think) a little better.
I appreciate your responsiveness, I was unsure that this board had any official involvement, or if it was just users.
Thanks for your patience.
greenup
Maggie Tsai wrote:
> FYI:
>
> * Diigo lists are like Furl topics (or tags) --- there is a drop down
> * Diigo tags are like Furl keywords, and we have auto-suggest and recommended tags that furl does not have.
>
> And the new import will map topics to both tags and lists. That way, if some users do not like lists, they can easily delete them or ignore them.
I used Furl topics as tags, and Diigo imported them as lists. Is there a way to automatically convert my 740 lists into tags? Failing that, if I have to manually edit all of my bookmarks, is there a way to move the edit window so it does not obscure the "in list" list so I can easily retype the tags?
Thanks for your patience, I am looking forward to using Diigo for my research.
--Josh
"After some further discussion, we will map topics to both tags and lists. That way, if some users do not like lists, they can easily delete them or ignore them. We've just made that change, so it will take effect for all new import. For those already have import successfully done, please initiate a new "import" - it will overwrite the old data..."
Josh K. wrote:
> I used Furl topics as tags, and Diigo imported them as lists. Is there a way to automatically convert my 740 lists into tags?
Would it be possible to add an indirect transfer mapping from Furl star ratings to tags (e.g., "rating-1," "rating-2," etc.)? It seems that under the existing scheme, Furl ratings vanish into the ether.
Also, can you tell us roughly when access to Furl will be completely disabled?
Thanks!
Maggie Tsai wrote:
> And the new import will map topics to both tags and lists. That way, if some users do not like lists, they can easily delete them or ignore them.
It looks like Maggie said Diigo would consider adding Furl features in the future, but right now they are tied up trying to finish this migration
-greenup
Al Dente wrote:
> Maggie, thanks so much for the attention to transitioning users.
>
> Would it be possible to add an indirect transfer mapping from Furl star ratings to tags (e.g., "rating-1," "rating-2," etc.)? It seems that under the existing scheme, Furl ratings vanish into the ether.
>
Note: again, we have huge amount of transfer requests to process. May take a little time - be patient
> Joseph,
>
> Yes - given that we have very frequent website and toolbar updates,
> we'll be migrating furl users to the Diigo community and phasing out Furl.
I have an account at Furl, but never made use of it because of navigability issues. (Homepage links don't work in Furl, and my attempt to confect a substitute didn't work).
Is there any danger that, during migration, my Furl account will be dropped on top of my Diigo account, resulting in the contents of the latter being deleted? Should I delete my Furl account to ensure that this won't happen, or might the Diigo system read that as a request to delete my Diigo account?
What are "cached articles?"
I used http://www.diigo.com/import_all/prepare?service=Furl twice yesterday and nothing happened yet.
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Maggie Tsai wrote:
We have made transferring your Furl links to Diigo quick and easy. Please visit the transfer page: http://www.diigo.com/import_all/transfer_furl and see more details here http://blog.diigo.com/2009/03/16/welcome-furl-users/
> I had an existing diigo account and I did the import and my original
> diigo links remained after the import. So I think you should go ahead
> and do the import.
As I said, I had an account on Furl, but I've never really used the thing, so there's nothing for me to import. Still, thank you for taking the time to tell me about that. I'm glad the move worked out for you.
That having been said, I've never been a fan of Furl, and personally, I'm not going to miss the place one bit. This isn't because of the users on Furl, or the content they submit. Both seemed fine, and I hope the latter will enjoy Diigo. If their tastes are at all like mine, I think they'll find it to be an upgrade, especially should Diigo decide to have their old urls forward to their new urls, avoiding any link breakage - but if their tastes were at all like mine, would they still be Furl users? What I didn't care for, on that service, were limits on functionality that were put in place without any good reason for them being seen, at least not by me.
I've mentioned the absence of a homepage link on Furl accounts. Let's say that I had put it to active use, filling my profile with bookmarks as I've been doing here on Diigo. Having done so, I would then find myself having to decide whether or not to link to that profile, and finding myself presented with no good choices.
If I linked to my profile from my other sites, there would have been no way for my visitors to return to my sites from my Furl profile, raising one-way site issues with Webring and maybe costing me a number of ring memberships. If, on the other hand, I had set up said profile without linking to it from my other sites, who would have ever seen it? The whole thing was turning into a massive headache, because, as far as I was concerned, the old Furl management had decided to be difficult just for the sake of being difficult. How hard is it, really, to provide the users - the people from whom the service gets 100% of the content on which its business is built - as simple a thing as a working homepage link, something that many social networking sites provide their users without any disaster following?
I decided that I could do a lot better than Furl, and on looking around, found that I did, immediately. Stumbleupon, Diigo and Ma.gnolia have all been much better experiences than the one Furl seemed to be promising, and even if Ma.gnolia fell apart, at least Larry Halff was trying. Honest mistakes I can forgive. When somebody creates a needless hardship, just for fun - that's what I can't forgive. On a personal level, I am just as glad to see Furl go.
The recommendation I gave that Furl be left to run in parallel with Diigo was given far more out of concern for Diigo than for Furl. I've seen mergers like this done, and they tend to be bitterly resented by the users of the service which goes away, who usually end up asking something like "what about our freedom of choice; this merger doesn't seem to do anything for us but take that freedom away". I suppose that I can sympathise with that. I can't imagine why anybody would prefer Furl to Diigo, but then, I also can't imagine why anybody would want to listen to old Lawrence Welk albums or watch Nascar racing. All the same, better that I or anybody else be mystified, than that those with differing tastes be frustrated.
Obviously, there's a serious demand for what Furl was offering - one only had to look at the level of activity on the main page to see that. That demand is now going to go unmet, making enemies for Diigo who will then, not only be invited to come into a community under the care of a company they resent, but will fairly be shoved into it, being told that they must move their content to this site, if they are not to have it deleted. I am not sure that this is a wise choice on Diigo's part, and again, would urge those in management to carefully consider their choices.
I've looked around the groups, and found Diigo to be a very happy, peaceful kind of place. I'd really like to see it stay that way, but if there's a sudden flood of angry users looking for somebody to be angry with, I have to wonder how peaceful Diigo will stay. But management will do what it will do.
Essentially a copy of the webpage. Sometimes a webpage expires, so having a cache copy is helpful.
Furl did the backend for NYTimes, so some users have the Time articles saved in cache. Of course, cache also applies to other webpage links as well.
> I can't imagine why anybody would prefer Furl to Diigo
Missing features in Diigo:
1. star ratings of web pages
2. archive snapshots of password-protected articles
Diigo is great, and no doubt the Diigo folks will endeavor to implement those features that we Furl users love.
Rick
> … star ratings …
Stars and other approaches to rating discussed in http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/vote-feature-415 and other topics :)
Rick Blackmon wrote:
> … my transfer worked …
Thanks for the positive feedback!
If they are, are they safely stored, or should I also try and download them all - a big job! - and back them up. i.e. do I need to do anything more? The reason I ask this is because the Furl site itself is no longer there.
Can anyone explain this to me simply please. Thank you!
> * Furl archives (cache) will be transferred later (see 2h)
> We stopped indexing new bookmarks to prepare a hardware upgrade.
> All search issues will be solved after the upgrading is done.
> full text search for new bookmarks is disabled
AFAICT the cacheing services (for new bookmarks) were quietly suspended around the same time.
Considering that date, a month or so before the surprise announcement re: Furl; and considering the ~one month between the e-mail from The Furl Team and the reported closure of that service; I *guess* that:
* serious preparations - capability to accept all Furl users into an alternative service - began a good few weeks before any announcement
* the possibility of reprepresenting Furl caches was a significant factor in Diigo's decision to suspend Diigo cacheing services
At the Furl site: users were offered an e-mail address, so it's fair to assume that a massive amount of Furl-related discussion has occurred in private, via e-mail (not within this group forum). The sometimes wild variance from estimated schedules could be a result of all that behind-the-scenes stuff.
A last guess from me:
* whatever was transferred from Furl, at the users' request, should be intact, somewhere or other.
I'm glad that you like the look of Diigo :) and we're all staying tuned …
I hate asking a dumb question on the forums, but how can i get my Furl transferred, or at the very least, exported?
>> Before Furl.net is completely phased out, you can still access
>> your Furl data there and export them.
At furl.net: did you attempt an export, and was it successful?
As you say furl isn't on the internet anymore. When you search for furl, or go to Diigo, as you've probably seen, you get this webpage (as long as you're signed out of Diigo):
http://www.diigo.com/?source=redirect_from_furl
If you click on the red link at top right of the page, and then follow the directions, you should be able to get all your links transferred over.
This is what I did. My only doubt is whether the pages I archived at Furl are now safely stored at Diigo. Although Graham says in post #40, they probably are somewhere - and I was hoping they were, I'm finding the actual pages are not being transferred.
The titles of the pages I stored on Furl seem all to have been transferred. But when I click "cached" to see these pages I mostly don't get the original furled pages. (Although in some cases I do.)
And for some links I get this message:
"Cached page for this bookmark is not available at the moment, but caching service will resume later to save this page. Please click the following link to visit original page:."
So I have doubts that they will all eventually be transferred over. I also find that the Diigo advice talks of "going to furl and transfer a zip archive". But there seems to be no way of doing this.
As you say, the big issue is how to get the original Furl data, i.e. furled webpages; and whether it is still available or whether it has been lost.
I guess I didn't transfer any of the links/bookmarks from Furl to Diigo in time, and now I don't even know what I had saved. Some of the pages I was able to get from sites like archive.org, and quite a few are accessible stories on NYT. The problem is not even being able to see the list of links I had to determine what I'm missing!
This is disappointing, to say the least.