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how does "search bookmarks" (and Advanced Search) work? - 133 views

advanced_search search-feature stemming wildcards boolean help

started by davido T on 13 Jun 08
  • davido T
     
    I've been looking in vain for a guide to Diigo's internal search feature. Am I missing a help file or guide somewhere, similar to Google's, on how to:

    -search using a partial tag
    like job* to search for all tags containing job. I've experimented but can't find a way.

    -search for phrases in basic search box
    I see the option in Advanced, but in basic search, putting words in quotes (like google) doesn't work, unfortunately.

    I love you guys, but frankly I'm annoyed... these are important features!

    I hope these are features that used to work and will work again, once v3 matures.
  • Joel Liu
     
    -search using a partial tag
    If you input job, you can get bookmarks with job* tags in V2. However, many people requested the tag search results based on exact match, so we implemented it in V3. We may provide the wild card search feature later.


    -search for phrases in basic search box

    K. We will add it soon.
  • davido T
     
    thanks, Joel.

    It's a shame there's no way to search substrings/partial tags in V3. That overly limits bookmarks returned, in my opinion, since it would be easy to bring up all partial matches, then allow for filtering out using the + tags feature.

    Plus it messes up my system of tagging library-style, like this: "jobs--san_francisco". I can't search "jobs" and get all my "jobs--" type tags

    Maybe using ~jobs (or jobs*) to signal partial matches would allow for advanced users to do this, without confusing others.
  • anonymous
     
    Hello ! I would like to know if there is a way to flter tags. An example : let's say I have lots of bookmarks about Tibetan history, so I have a "Tibet history" list for them. I would like to know how I could find all the bookmarks tagged with "history" without those tagged with "Tibet".

    I can add different tags : history+Tibet
    But I can't make : history-Tibet

    Any idea ?
    Thanks.
  • anonymous
     
    > But I can't make : history-Tibet
    >
    That requires a boolean logic "history NOT tibet" that is not currently built into Diigo.

    There is a kludgy work around if this is an urgent task that you must have now, otherwise it might be too big of a pain to make it worth it.

    If you MUST have "history - tibet", you can follow these steps:
    1) Search for bookmarks tagged Tibet by inserting that word into the "Filter by tags" text field at the top
    2) Click the "All" check box to select all bookmarks in this view.
    3) Pull down the "More actions..." menu at the top and choose "Convert to private". This only works if all of the bookmarks you are working with are in fact ALL public.
    4) Now go back to your "My Bookmarks" and search for the tag "history"
    5) Then click the public tab. All of the bookmarks in this view will be "history - tibet"

    As you can see it is a pain in the butt, but if you are up against a wall about it, it can be done.

    Good luck and put in a feature request for Boolean logic to the Diigo developers.
  • anonymous
     
    > If you input job, you can get bookmarks with job* tags in V2. However, many people requested the tag search results based on exact match, so we implemented it in V3. We may provide the wild card search feature later.
    >
    Joel, why doesn't Diigo adopt standard search query conventions, such as words in quotes are for exact matches and not in quotes locates partial tags?

    If you like something a little more user friendly and intuitive, you could include a check box next to the search field that says, "Exact match"

    Thanks and happy innovating!!
  • anonymous
     
    Thank you very much for your answer ! I will try this solution.

    Scott Allam wrote:
    > If you MUST have "history - tibet", you can follow these steps:
    > 1) Search for bookmarks tagged Tibet by inserting that word into the "Filter by tags" text field at the top
    > 2) Click the "All" check box to select all bookmarks in this view.
    > 3) Pull down the "More actions..." menu at the top and choose "Convert to private". This only works if all of the bookmarks you are working with are in fact ALL public.
    > 4) Now go back to your "My Bookmarks" and search for the tag "history"
    > 5) Then click the public tab. All of the bookmarks in this view will be "history - tibet"
  • Graham Perrin
     
    @ Scott (recalling your interest in improved tagging, searching, filtering, boolean etc.):

    I like the way that freshmeat.net visualises tags, and allows users to include and exclude tags in a single query (something that's missing from Diigo groups).

    Example: http://handhelds.freshmeat.net/tags/iphone?with=2751&without=4759 presents items that
    * are tagged iPhone
    * are tagged GPL
    * are not tagged Blackberry

    It seems that each tag has a numeric synonym, which probably eases construction of the associated URL, but the user need not know the synonym: they simply select tags from the Show and Hide sides of the tag portlet.

    Any thoughts on that approach?
  • Graham Perrin
     
    http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/49100#3 and most recently http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/49925#1 remind me that numerous users wish for boolean and other improved ways of tag-oriented searching/browsing.

    FWIW, borrowing from a discussion beyond this group:

    > An example of FAYT reduction of a cloud: http://stackoverflow.com/tags

    > http://www.zigtag.com/tag/Social%20bookmarking/1570639
    > … this is more like it. Check out the slider at the head of the tag cloud. Luscious.

    ---

    > … a fairly clear idea of the things that I'd like to find blended
    > into a Diigo approach to tagging:
    >
    > + the richness of Diigo :)
    >
    > + the cleanliness (tried and tested) of Delicious
    >
    > + the flexibility (multiple word tags etc.), standards adoption,
    > power and semantics (Common Tag format) of Zigtag … 
  • Graham Perrin
     
    > a boolean logic "history NOT tibet" that is not currently built into Diigo.

    Diigo 4.0 beta introduces (at least) some boolean stuff to the groups interface. Example:

    http://groups.diigo.com/group/Diigo_HQ/content/tag/Firefox%20AND%20sidebar%20AND%20bug%20NOT%20resolved

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