Onondaga Nation - People of the Hills - 1 views
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strong leaders must change the way business is done. They must find a way to put the common good above profits.
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Tara Picudella on 14 Oct 13Is this asking too much of modern society? In the US we have a capitalistic nation, if we care too much of the little people won't that worsen the economy for the rest of society? Or is the good of the society as a whole less important than the good of those who are suffering? -
Aadil Khetani on 18 Oct 13Today's society only cares about money but if the country as a whole works together they can make this possible. They can put the common good over money and assets.
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respect and thanksgiving for nature.
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Outsourcing the work to the rest of the world and then leaving people here without jobs.
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biggest environmental issues
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I fail to see outsourcing as an enviornmental hazard as in the long run pollution is pollution be it in china britain or even the united states, just because u change the location doesn't necessarily increase the amount nor does it increase the the lethality of the pollution
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outsourced your pollution
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but at the expense of the American public.
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it's really difficult to make people see, especially in our american society, why sometimes we should do things that aren't for our direct benefit. we really like this idea of immediate gratification.
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And I said my job would be to associate them with the reality out there. They're insulated -- heavily insulated -- they don't deal with reality.
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And they, if you notice, I haven't seen any of their annual reports that put in the cost of the natural resources that they use
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People are extracting
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I said, how can you as CEOs of corporations do what you're doing, in terms of extraction, without looking at the consequences?
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finite
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running out
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running out. Finite
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And that's the problem.
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He says, well, as you know, if somebody is living in those terms, they're not going to progress. They're just going to be happy just the way they are. There'll be no progress. And he says, as you know, the bottom line of our civilization is greed.
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This shows that we as a society wish to progress at an astonishing pace even if we are happy with what we get. I can relate this to my dad's cell phone. He has no urge to get a new iphone or smartphone because he's very happy with his old slider phone -
The concept of greed. People want more and more no matter how much or what they have is enough and keeping them happy. They want the next level and the level after that but for what reason? Satisfaction?
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selfishness
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teach them to be selfish, so they can progress
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do they really need to progress? this kind of reminds me of that john lennon quote "when I went to school they asked me what i wanted to be. i said "happy", they told i didn't understand the assignment, i told them they didn't understand life"
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The responsibility of leadership is to look that far ahead
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directly due to the idea of capitalism
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to give thanks, be thankful for what you have, and to share. And the third one would be respect.
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hat's was people power did that. Germany didn't want it, East Germany didn't want it, nobody wanted it. People wanted it, and nothing could stop them. Once they get in a move in that direction they become a force. It's very difficult -- it's not a manageable force -- and that's why leadership is so vital and important.
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leadership and the control factor for human beings, in particular, is moral. If you don't have moral law you don't have any law. If there's no moral law, you don't have any.
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so because people tell them to buy it, they feel okay about buying it, even if they shouldn't?
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there's no mercy
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There's only law
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You're going to suffer the consequence, and that's right where we're headed right now. Six-point-six billion people and more coming every minute as we sit here. That's a compound
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And it takes some understanding to rise to the occasion. You've got to comprehend what's going on.
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it's not just going to happen that people will rise to the occasion. first they need to understand why it's so important to do so. like okay with WWII, the U.S. didn't want to get involved at first. the only reason we did was because we got attacked. that made us understand the importance. it's kind of like that for environmental issues. scientists say we should get involved, but until there is personal risk, we won't.
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This is something that can be seen within everyone once they understand the situation. Game 7 of playoffs, final exam, huge corporate project and many more have got so many people coming through in the "clutch."
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When the Peacemaker talked to us about the foundation of the confederacy, he said the first principle is peace. And you know the Indian word for peace; it also means health. The same word.
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It starts with the people; the earth, everything that grows on the earth, bushes, trees, what lives in the trees, what lives on the earth; water, what lives in the water; and food, what grows, where it grows. And the leaders, the animal leaders, who lead the animal. We acknowledge thanksgiving for them.
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You're supposed to develop them and then share with those that don't have them. That's how everything has equity. So you come back to that.
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And what can we do about it?
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Among other things, the Peacemaker instructed them to approach every decision with concern for the seventh generation to follow.
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their reality is Wall Street
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strong leaders must change the way business is done. They must find a way to put the common good above profits.
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In many ways this is hard for business to do because the business world is so competitive that if one starts to lag behind and could possible go out of business. The business world revolves itself around profits.
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"Business as usual is over," he said
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Haudenosaunee, or the Six Nations of the Iroquois Confederacy
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Well, they have to. Otherwise they're going to get hammered. They're going to get hammered anyway.
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- if you're going to take those steel mills and put them some other place, they're going to be belching a lot of environmental damage ...
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I think that the biggest issue with outsourcing as far as environmental problems go is that we always outsource to the same places. that makes the pollution a lot more concentrated in that one area, making it a lot easier to burn straight through the ozone in that one spot. if we didn't outsource as much, the pollution wouldn't be as concentrated and it would take longer to deplete the ozone layer.
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it's because of outsourcing
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. I don't see it changing, because I don't see any relaxation from the executive side -- from the leadership side -- because they're making money
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people are only interested in money and what they as an individual can gain from any situation. People are becoming more and more selfish without one thought of how our, and our future generations will be effected. -
I believe that it is going to take more serious natural disasters - we need to feel pain close to home, serious pain- before any leader begins to make any changes that will benefit the environment, and not just their profits. -
He blames money for the depression. In a way he's true because people have a priority for money. That's all they think about and that's all they want.
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Where is the moral side to the shareholders on this thing?
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They're not in the reality business; they're in business. I said, if you put them up there and just let them freeze for 24 hours, they would get an inkling of another power, of another authority.
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Once you feel the power of nature, you begin to respect it. Those trapped indoors all their lives are the ones who really don't give a rat's ass about whats going on outside.
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Nature is a part of life the opens peoples eyes to the outside world. When I was a kid, all I did was go outside to play and now when I'm inside I feel like I'm missing out when I'm not out there. But, my sister grew up inside mostly and she barely goes out and watches tv instead. If she went outside more it might change her.
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If you have grandchildren and great-grandchildren, you're involved
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Everything in this room came from the earth
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I don't think they deal with it. I mean, their realit
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This round world is finite.
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of oil right now.
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and what was that line?
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Growth. You have one finite earth. That's the problem here
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But I do think human beings -- I have always been amazed by human beings.
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People have to make less money -- way, way, way less money. People have to share more of what they have.
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Thanksgiving for the winds that bring the seasons and does the planting, all of that. Then we have thanksgiving for the grandfathers, the thunder and the lightning, that bring the rain --
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so it's the stockholder.
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respect and thanksgiving for nature.
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They're not in the reality business; they're in business.
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outsourced your pollution
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influence their thinking
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you not only outsourced your work and your company,
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their reality is Wall Street. That's their reality. It is real, but it doesn't deal with the forces of nature.
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extracting it at tremendous rates with no perception of consequences.
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no idea of the consequences. that's because it won't directly harm them. people have to be shown how something is going to personally affect them, or their children maybe, before they see any need for change.
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stockholder.
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the ones that really determine what the direction of the corporation is going to go.
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idea of private property.
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hat's was people power did that. Germany didn't want it, East Germany didn't want it, nobody wanted it. People wanted it, and nothing could stop them. Once they get in a move in that direction they become a force. It's very difficult -- it's not a manageable force -- and that's why leadership is so vital and important.
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eadership and the control factor for human beings, in particular, is moral. If you don't have moral law you don't have any law. If there's no moral law, you don't have any.
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you have to understand about nature and natural law is
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no mercy to this law.
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you don't understand that law and you don't abide by that law, you will suffer the consequence.
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You lead by action.
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we personify these elements to bring our people closer to them so they have more respect.
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you guys act as if it wasn't.
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f I don't show a profit in the company, I'm fired.
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I put a moral question into an economic forum
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don't want moral questions. They don't deal with moral questions.
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Morals never get in the way of profits in big business. Money rules. Instant gratification, Lack of mindfulness, disrespect. What we need to do is make big businesses THINK , just as the chief is doing here. If nothing else, it might make them feel a little guilty about their practices and priorities
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guaranteed prophecy?
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you guys are going to meet next year and nothing will have changed. I'll guarantee it. And that was the end of the meeting
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I think shows his being extra pessimistic as many companies are actually trying to strive to be green and governments set up laws that help protect and conserve the environment
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I think this is kind of true though. lots of little things will have changed, but nothing major that will have any sort of lasting effects. they aren't focused on that, they only focus on the things that make little immediate differences. sure those can accumulate over time, but overall they aren't going to solve the big problem.
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But not only do they have to ask people to sacrifice, they sacrifice. That's how you lead.
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I ask this question over and over again to people in business ... Do people have to cut back? Do they have to do with less? And they always say no.
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I'll tell you what that is: Have your cake and eat it, too
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houses have to get smaller. They can't get bigger.
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How can you have peace without health?
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Unity
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That's our foundation, peace
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finally the Creator himself
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Human beings have different gifts and we say, they're not gifts, they're responsibilities.
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I'm just telling what people know.
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it's not that he's just outrageously smart or anything. these are conclusions that regular people have come to all the time.
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They never put that in
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And you know how powerful they are, and they're all over the world, and they're
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State University College of Environmental Science and Forestry
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never challenge those thoughts, because you will not prevail. That's instruction. That's along with seven generations and everything else he said.
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So you know what you're doing
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Not about happy.
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Make your decision on behalf of the seventh generation coming so that they may enjoy what you have.
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What's wrong with that? That's our basic value. Our basic value is to share.
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they adjust
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We have probably 10 years to change direction
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they can rise to an occasion
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these natural catastrophes are going to force the issues.
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There's just no reality to it
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more energy-conscious and -controlled
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Everybody can do that.
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it's one I learned from listening to our people
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"strong leaders must change the way business is done. They mus tfind a way to put the common good above profits"
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the idea of putting the people in alps was great of getting rid of their "insulation"
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I like the question of "when do you cease to be a CEO and become a grandfather?"
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Word Choice: Depression vs Recession Recession can be defined as a temporary economic decline. Depression is severe despondency and dejection. The word depression feels more human and more personal. By using this word, Lyons emphasizes how the people are the ones suffering when jobs are outsourced.
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These days, we look for instant gratification and get-rich-quick schemes. The over-exploitation of the Earth's resources is an outcome of this. It is hard to make the common citizen understand that, in the long run, taking care to protect the environment will pay off in a much larger way than a paycheck.
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bout the world's "accelerating" race toward environmental calamity,
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As the world is functioning now, the generations that come after us are going to have a harder time finding the resources necessary for life. Water is being tainted and poisoned, as is the air. Resources like oil are being pumped out of the Earth at a rapid rate; having a car in the future is going to be an expensive luxury.
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t's always about progress today
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No, you sacrifice.
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Not enough people are willing to sacrifice for the good of the Earth as a whole. Greed is the fuel for the degrading world, and in order to reverse that, people (especially the greedy) must learn to sacrifice what isnt necessary. America is the land of the big. Big houses, big cars, big food, etc. We need to scale down significantly in order to see any changes.
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seventh-generation philosophy
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The Seventh generation, are they referring to us? Our generation to fix all the damage and save mother earth from "degradation"(The Cry of the Earth)?
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You know, how often do you hear that the United States uses one quarter of the earth's resources and we're only 7 percent of the population. And we use one quarter.
