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FishMan - this sounds a little bit like Ning, a socnet for all folks (build your own!) Why do you think there is no monetization by any one of these efforts? That's a key part to what I'm imagining for HBSN. Hmmmmm

Checking into ad.ly, their pay rate and advertisers aren't based on your attention, they are based strictly on the number of followers you have. Their whole model is wrapped around slight-of-hand diversion. They figure that by dropping an ad tweet into your own personal twitterstream on an every other day basis, will appear innocent enough on the surface, that some (>1%?) will mistake it for something you personally tweeted and since they follow you blindly like hooded lemurs in Jonestown, they;ll drink your koolaid and make a buying decision. Seems a bit underhanded to me. And they aren't paying me because I might be a good target, they are paying me because I have a high enough unwashed masses quotient to justify the exposure. I set my rate for $5000 figuring that even though I have fewer than 100 followers, they are quality followers and not bots (except for Kurt) and that my endorsement to them is worth a great deal. So far, the till's empty.

if you advertise to me I will recycle it on an hourly loop and feed it back to you

Server server model - not thin client - server Content is on owned server - published out with privacy and pay wrapper When you want to you can 'sell' content to services - you still control it they get it by call out Ajax left behind at presentation service We build reference front end Own the means of production ie a server Tyrant would make it illegal for anyone to own a server (printing press) On the welcome page we can redirect new users for ISP and personal server host, take cut Just collect all the producers together and tell them they can own and control evthg they publish, period, then publishing services will come running Take a vig on the pay wrapper /kdl

note that all elements of this model (structure (relations and aspects), content, presentations) have a privacy and value exchange wrapper on them and can be 'bought and sold' using a value exchange model, this may be everything from rick/frank/twain agreeing to exchange content for content straight up to a start up firm valuing all aspects of contribution to the start up, including things like commitment, deliverables, ip, validation, ideas etc.

safe of gold...gold is for suckers!! i have a safe full of CHOCOLATE!!!! Serious though, i see the structure and i am becoming more enamored with the concept.

clearly others are thinking about this in their domain, note the reference to ownership and posting references rather than content to the service (invisible to the user), taking things into one's personal stream (entanglement) and social graph based filtering

"On Karma: Top-line Lessons on User Reputation Design In Building Web Reputation Systems, we appropriate the term karma to mean a user reputation in an online service. As you might expect, karma is discussed heavily throughout the more than 300 pages. During the final editing process, it became clear that a simple summary of the main points would be helpful to those looking for guidance. It seemed that our first post in over a month (congratulations on the new delivery, Bryce!) should be something big and useful... This post covers the following top-line points about designing karma systems, drawn from our book and other blog posts: * Karma is user reputation within a context * Karma is useful for building trust between users, and between a user and the site * Karma can be an incentive for participation and contributions * Karma is contextual and has limited utility globally. [A chessmaster is not a good eBay Seller] * Karma comes in several flavors - Participation, Quality and Robust (combined) * Karma should be complex and the result of indirect evaluations, and the formulation is often opaque * Personal karma is displayed only to the owner, and is good for measuring progress * Corporate karma is used by the site operator to find the very best and very worst users * Public karma is displayed to other users, which is what makes it the hardest to get right * Public karma should be used sparingly - it is hard to understand, isn't expected, and is easily confused with content ratings * Negative public karma should be avoided all together. In karma-math -1 is not the same magnitude as +1, and information loss is too expensive. * Public karma often encourages competitive behavior in users, which may not be compatible with their motivations. This is most easily seen with leaderboards, but can happen any time karma scores are prominently displayed. [i.e.: Twitter follower count] "

or solve the more general problem and let people manage multiple identites and authorizations / grouping metadata sets

"POiU is being created because the world is changing. The recent expansion of social media platforms shrank our world and broadened people's ability to communicate and connect regardless of physical location, cultural or even linguistic barriers. In addition to immense opportunities, we face significant challenges as a community. If not addressed and decisively tackled, these challenges could jeopardize the quality of life and even our very existence as an evolving human civilization. There are warning signs already: the widespread economic and financial instability, unclear energy future, uncontrollable environmental changes and growing gaps and failures to deliver adequate food, water, healthcare, education, and other resources and services that support society wellbeing and development. These warning signs could lead to acute and systemic crises resulting in general misery and destruction. Our best chance at overcoming this outcome is to utilize the tools we have today to tap into the collective wisdom and together select the best solutions and together put them into action. History teaches us that war has been the way in which countries could achieve total coordination to pull out of massive economical crises. But today, social networks present an alternative, allowing total coordination of the masses. This is a tool that, for the first time in our evolution, offers a constructive way to unlock the power of our collective mind and unite us under a common purpose of finding answers to our current challenges. Our future is at stake. Focusing on the opportunities and solutions, POiU will capitalize on the power of social networking to enable positive change. Together, we are building a fully functioning online society with governance and commerce, fostering a personal sense of place and belonging. This effort is empowered by POiU's launch of a collaborative platform that aims to become one component of the new coordinating system we need. The answers to our cha

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Exchange_Trading_Systems does look like the general idea. I do think that the world is entering a period of 'collectivity' but it's not formed in any place that's far enough along to know what to do with it except to 'volunteer' at this point.

ok... this is eerily like what we were describing yesterday in: http://message.diigo.com/message/so-i-will-now-try-a-bit-of-blogging-my-aunt-observed-today-that-social-networking-is-the-21st-cen-723705 Also, they say it is a country. VERY interesting. Kinda reminds me of Mr Lee's Greater Hong Kong franchises in Neal Stephenson's "Snowcrash" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_Crash Of course by the time set in the story private countries are physical and not only virtual.

I know several examples of my friends (non-techie) that are already doing this. They seem to like it much better - all their friends in one place. The favorite if Facebook. I can't figure out who's reading what that I write, so I'm less interested right now, but if preferences/settings were much more obvious, this seems like it will happen. Right now notification seems to be working for me in Diigo.

this seems like so much bs to me - facebook will be used for one to many, email client will be the notification/alert single screen of attention for everyone over 30. kiddies will likely embrace the new tech, and text will be their notification or they will use a phone client of some sort to aggregate. hopefully we can come up with a device independent alert/notification management interface that can 'replace' the email client (I'm getting pretty tired of managing social networks from an email client), but I bet it will be one of the email client providers who will figure that out and own it. it may mean handling more protocols in email client. the cardinal example in my mind is iCal handling in email clients - it automatically presents a different UI for that message - why shouldn't an email client be able to do everything facebook does? I think the paragraph from Gartner is so much bs as we have no real fixing of terms - will the email client as we know it today disappear, YES will the experience of messaging be more like facebook, GOD I HOPE NOT, but perhaps, but is this research worth paying for? frigging sound bites

Sega and HEAT.net have officially announced that the online gaming web site will shut down on October 31, 2000. HEAT.net provides game-matching services and hosts online games including 10Six. HEAT.net members will receive a special e-mail announcement including exclusive offers for SegaNet membership. Sega has decided to redirect the HEAT.net resources to SegaNet to create a more comprehensive online gaming portal. 10Six will continue operation at www.10Six.com.

I posted this as a historical note. Heat.net was the first place to serial number their game items, ie. a truck or gun acquired is not one of a class, but rather a unique item. this amplifies the value concept related to the item.

Drupal Gardens = Drupal 7 as a service

Also see http://groups.diigo.com/group/web-annotation-services

As the TC guy concludes at the end of the video interview, this is "potentially controversial"... But it's an interesting idea. Could certainly contribute to a better targeted marketing. Still, the subscribers will need a damn strong spam filter...

perhaps we should look back at this?

I do not see the point in moving to ning, less capable than diigo

Never liked making money very much - too much trouble - I'm a retired professor, for God's sake! But, I love working with people that get in my head and stay there (a paraphrase of one of your remarks, I believe!) And, I like doing good things ...

looks like someone's beat us to the punch...

From the highlight: "The company plans to make money in 3 ways: by licensing the API to businesses and allowing them to customize Favilous for their own needs; by creating a subscription model to bookmark music playlists (they have reached out to Spotify to allow users to bookmark their playlists); and to possibly look at affiliate relationships and advertise to users, although they are hesitant to do that at this time." I agree though--I don't like the interface at all, and their usability is very limited. The thing is though, someone's plunked down a bunch of money for these clowns to make this piece of crap, so it just shows that with the right pitch, people will shell out cash for anything. Polish up those red heels Twain, we need a good story to sell.

"Polish up those red heels Twain, we need a good story to sell."

Yet another social bookmarking service?

Jack, I connected with you on Strings. So, from now on, you'll get an email whenever I do something on my PC or in my bedroom... No, just joking: I haven't shared anything and don't really see the point yet. But if you share something, I'll probably get a notification :)

haahaaa...T.M.I. with strings. despite their assertion of multiple privacy levels, the mere fact that they WANT to follow everything you do in order to make personalized recommendations is what frightens me about the directions of Web 3.0. Who will watch the watchers? Goog is one thing with their 'do no evil' credo, but the idea of 24/7 active monitoring smacks of more than just altruistic effort to me. I'm gonna let someone else play with this strings...