Private/Public Bookmarking - 204 views

group privacy tag suggestion

started by Spiral Funk on 19 May 07

#1 Spiral Funk on 19 May 07

I've requested some of this before...

I'm super happy how Diigo has evolved lately. But i would still like to voice my opinion about some issues...

1.Choosing between private and public bookmarking is still not fast enough, it feels silly to have a drop-down-menu as there are only two options namely private/public, it would be much faster to have the two options as buttons.

2. I use plenty of Firefox extensions and probably therefore my diigo pop-up window takes ages to load (1 second+). It takes me additionally 1 second before i get my pointer to focus on the tag-field.
But lo and behold, i then discovered QuickD (i didn't associate the name with bookmarking...how silly of me). Now, instead of using the diigo popup-bookmarking-window, i always use QuickD. It's just much faster to right away be able to tag your bookmarks in the so called "search box". There are a couple of issues with this though.

2.1 I'm not presented with Tag Suggestions, i get Search Suggestions! Therefore i propose to make it an option to get Tag Suggestions instead in the "search box". (I never use diigo's search box for searching since i don't know the keyboard shortcut for it, if it exists... I use ctrl+k for firefox' own search box...)

2.2 I cannot choose between private and public bookmarking with QuickD. Since there's a notable difference between what kind of links i want public and private, it would be quite intuitive if i could specify that all bookmarks tagged with specific work related tag should be kept private. Or perhaps all items that have a specific tag prefix could be kept private (i use 2read, 2research, 2do and other odd conventions).

Nowadays as we use the net, our leisure and work activities mix and therefore one cannot expect that all bookmarks on a given day be tagged either private or public. I will use both any given day. The difficulties in choosing between private and public has led to a situation where 15% of my bookmarks are only public...

2.3 It would be nice if i could specify tags that go directly to a Group too, like "collaboration" for the group "Collaboration". Another possibility, would be to use the Delicious prefix "for:" to send bookmarks to some group, i don't know how this should be handled when bookmarking simultaneously to delicious though...

2.4 All QuickD bookmarks will be marked unread, although i've read them.

BTW. The tagcloud for the forum should perhaps also be featured on the new topic page, so that one can see which tags are used the most.. "should i use 'group' or 'groups' " and so on.

Thanks for listening!

<div class="cArrow"> </div><div class="cContentInner">I've requested some of this before... I'm super happy how Diigo has evolved lately. But i would still like to voice my opinion about some issues... 1.Choosing between private and public bookmarking is still not fast enough, it feels silly to have a drop-down-menu as there are only two options namely private/public, it would be much faster to have the two options as buttons. 2. I use plenty of Firefox extensions and probably therefore my diigo pop-up window takes ages to load (1 second+). It takes me additionally 1 second before i get my pointer to focus on the tag-field. But lo and behold, i then discovered QuickD (i didn't associate the name with bookmarking...how silly of me). Now, instead of using the diigo popup-bookmarking-window, i always use QuickD. It's just much faster to right away be able to tag your bookmarks in the so called "search box". There are a couple of issues with this though. 2.1 I'm not presented with Tag Suggestions, i get Search Suggestions! Therefore i propose to make it an option to get Tag Suggestions instead in the "search box". (I never use diigo's search box for searching since i don't know the keyboard shortcut for it, if it exists... I use ctrl+k for firefox' own search box...) 2.2 I cannot choose between private and public bookmarking with QuickD. Since there's a notable difference between what kind of links i want public and private, it would be quite intuitive if i could specify that all bookmarks tagged with specific work related tag should be kept private. Or perhaps all items that have a specific tag prefix could be kept private (i use 2read, 2research, 2do and other odd conventions). Nowadays as we use the net, our leisure and work activities mix and therefore one cannot expect that all bookmarks on a given day be tagged either private or public. I will use both any given day. The difficulties in choosing between private and public has led to a situation where 15% of my bookmarks are only public... 2.3 It would be nice if i could specify tags that go directly to a Group too, like "collaboration" for the group "Collaboration". Another possibility, would be to use the Delicious prefix "for:" to send bookmarks to some group, i don't know how this should be handled when bookmarking simultaneously to delicious though... 2.4 All QuickD bookmarks will be marked unread, although i've read them. BTW. The tagcloud for the forum should perhaps also be featured on the new topic page, so that one can see which tags are used the most.. "should i use 'group' or 'groups' " and so on. Thanks for listening!</div>

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#2 Maggie Tsai on 21 May 07

Please comment below.

spiralfunk wrote:
> I've requested some of this before...
>
> I'm super happy how Diigo has evolved lately.

Glad you notice and enjoy it.

But i would still like to voice my opinion about some issues...
>
> 1.Choosing between private and public bookmarking is still not fast enough, it feels silly to have a drop-down-menu as there are only two options namely private/public, it would be much faster to have the two options as buttons.

The spacing a little bit tight there already. But nevertheless, see your point - will discuss here.

>
> 2. I use plenty of Firefox extensions and probably therefore my diigo pop-up window takes ages to load (1 second+). It takes me additionally 1 second before i get my pointer to focus on the tag-field.
> But lo and behold, i then discovered QuickD (i didn't associate the name with bookmarking...how silly of me). Now, instead of using the diigo popup-bookmarking-window, i always use QuickD. It's just much faster to right away be able to tag your bookmarks in the so called "search box". There are a couple of issues with this though.
>
> 2.1 I'm not presented with Tag Suggestions, i get Search Suggestions! Therefore i propose to make it an option to get Tag Suggestions instead in the "search box". (I never use diigo's search box for searching since i don't know the keyboard shortcut for it, if it exists... I use ctrl+k for firefox' own search box...)

Diigo search box (multi-category) is one feature that may not be apparent at first glance, but very useful once you know how to use it. For those who haven't tried, I'd recommend reading the instruction http://www.diigo.com/help/search/3 and give that a try.

Can you please elaborate more how you will envision a new "Tag Suggestion" icon / function will work in toolbar?

> 2.2 I cannot choose between private and public bookmarking with QuickD. Since there's a notable difference between what kind of links i want public and private, it would be quite intuitive if i could specify that all bookmarks tagged with specific work related tag should be kept private. Or perhaps all items that have a specific tag prefix could be kept private (i use 2read, 2research, 2do and other odd conventions).

I see. However, my first reaction is that is doing all these will really take lots of time saving vs. just using our Diigo bookmark popup window where you can achieve anything that you wish to accomplish without all these extra engineering effort? Before going back to our team for further discussion, we should assess is this a feature that's only going to be used by few users, or will be helpful to many to deserve the extra engineering effort.

Maybe you can open up a separate thread on this particular issue to engage in other users's attention & feedback - would be nice to get some sense how widely used is QuickD and how people feel about it.

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> Nowadays as we use the net, our leisure and work activities mix and therefore one cannot expect that all bookmarks on a given day be tagged either private or public. I will use both any given day. The difficulties in choosing between private and public has led to a situation where 15% of my bookmarks are only public...

Understand :-)

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> 2.3 It would be nice if i could specify tags that go directly to a Group too, like "collaboration" for the group "Collaboration". Another possibility, would be to use the Delicious prefix "for:" to send bookmarks to some group, i don't know how this should be handled when bookmarking simultaneously to delicious though...

Good point - will discuss here.

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> 2.4 All QuickD bookmarks will be marked unread, although i've read them.

The idea behind QuickD is that often people use it to do rapid bookmarking, and come back to revisit them when they have time, thus, we make them default as unread. But now I see that some (like you) are using QuickD in a different way and marking them as unread probably not the best way to do it.

Please include this point in your new thread. Again, we want to gain a better understanding of how our users are using this feature to give us better assessment what changes are absolutely necessary, and what are nice to have but not mission-critical. thanks

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> BTW. The tagcloud for the forum should perhaps also be featured on the new topic page, so that one can see which tags are used the most.. "should i use 'group' or 'groups' " and so on.
>
>
> Thanks for listening!

Many nice suggestions - thanks for taking the time to share with us!

<div class="cArrow"> </div><div class="cContentInner">Please comment below. spiralfunk wrote: > I've requested some of this before... > > I'm super happy how Diigo has evolved lately. Glad you notice and enjoy it. But i would still like to voice my opinion about some issues... > > 1.Choosing between private and public bookmarking is still not fast enough, it feels silly to have a drop-down-menu as there are only two options namely private/public, it would be much faster to have the two options as buttons. The spacing a little bit tight there already. But nevertheless, see your point - will discuss here. > > 2. I use plenty of Firefox extensions and probably therefore my diigo pop-up window takes ages to load (1 second+). It takes me additionally 1 second before i get my pointer to focus on the tag-field. > But lo and behold, i then discovered QuickD (i didn't associate the name with bookmarking...how silly of me). Now, instead of using the diigo popup-bookmarking-window, i always use QuickD. It's just much faster to right away be able to tag your bookmarks in the so called "search box". There are a couple of issues with this though. > > 2.1 I'm not presented with Tag Suggestions, i get Search Suggestions! Therefore i propose to make it an option to get Tag Suggestions instead in the "search box". (I never use diigo's search box for searching since i don't know the keyboard shortcut for it, if it exists... I use ctrl+k for firefox' own search box...) Diigo search box (multi-category) is one feature that may not be apparent at first glance, but very useful once you know how to use it. For those who haven't tried, I'd recommend reading the instruction <a href="http://www.diigo.com/help/search/3" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.diigo.com/help/search/3</a> and give that a try. Can you please elaborate more how you will envision a new "Tag Suggestion" icon / function will work in toolbar? > 2.2 I cannot choose between private and public bookmarking with QuickD. Since there's a notable difference between what kind of links i want public and private, it would be quite intuitive if i could specify that all bookmarks tagged with specific work related tag should be kept private. Or perhaps all items that have a specific tag prefix could be kept private (i use 2read, 2research, 2do and other odd conventions). I see. However, my first reaction is that is doing all these will really take lots of time saving vs. just using our Diigo bookmark popup window where you can achieve anything that you wish to accomplish without all these extra engineering effort? Before going back to our team for further discussion, we should assess is this a feature that's only going to be used by few users, or will be helpful to many to deserve the extra engineering effort. Maybe you can open up a separate thread on this particular issue to engage in other users's attention & feedback - would be nice to get some sense how widely used is QuickD and how people feel about it. > > Nowadays as we use the net, our leisure and work activities mix and therefore one cannot expect that all bookmarks on a given day be tagged either private or public. I will use both any given day. The difficulties in choosing between private and public has led to a situation where 15% of my bookmarks are only public... Understand :-) > > 2.3 It would be nice if i could specify tags that go directly to a Group too, like "collaboration" for the group "Collaboration". Another possibility, would be to use the Delicious prefix "for:" to send bookmarks to some group, i don't know how this should be handled when bookmarking simultaneously to delicious though... Good point - will discuss here. > > 2.4 All QuickD bookmarks will be marked unread, although i've read them. The idea behind QuickD is that often people use it to do rapid bookmarking, and come back to revisit them when they have time, thus, we make them default as unread. But now I see that some (like you) are using QuickD in a different way and marking them as unread probably not the best way to do it. Please include this point in your new thread. Again, we want to gain a better understanding of how our users are using this feature to give us better assessment what changes are absolutely necessary, and what are nice to have but not mission-critical. thanks > > > BTW. The tagcloud for the forum should perhaps also be featured on the new topic page, so that one can see which tags are used the most.. "should i use 'group' or 'groups' " and so on. > > > Thanks for listening! Many nice suggestions - thanks for taking the time to share with us!</div>

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#3 Dr. Fridemar Pache on 21 May 07

> > 1.Choosing between private and public bookmarking is still not fast enough, it feels silly to have a drop-down-menu as there are only two options namely private/public, it would be much faster to have the two options as buttons.

Actually the option in the user preferences is flawed.

There is some confusion on default settings.
We have two sorts of defaults: system defaults and user defaults.
And we have defaults for bookmarks and defaults for annotations.

The system defaults are set to "private", contrary to TrailFire, where the system defaults are set to "public".

Wether checking or unchecking the option box, in both cases we get the system default for annotations set to "private" and have to recheck it manually, each time when we want to make a public annotation.

This is inconvenient for social minded peers, who want to use Diigo preferably for open social collaboration.

So my suggestion is:

If you stick to the principle "private first", setting the system defaults to "private",
make two option boxes for letting the user set the user defaults for bookmarks and
user defaults for annotations to "public",

If you prefer the principle "public first", as done at Trailfire, setting the system defaults to "public",
make two option boxes for letting the user set the user defaults for bookmarks and
user defaults for annotations to "private",

Of course, it would be even more practical for the programmers and perhaps for the users too, to make only one option box for bookmarks and annotations. The consequence would be: the user has only one decision to make: either they want to share their bookmarks and annotations with their peers in public or they don't want to share them with their peers, keeping them private.

We are speaking only on default values. Nothing keeps the user off to recheck the defaults box in the dialog-window, on a case to case basis, when they actually make their bookmark or their annotation.

MayAllBeHappy
Fridemar

<div class="cArrow"> </div><div class="cContentInner"> > > 1.Choosing between private and public bookmarking is still not fast enough, it feels silly to have a drop-down-menu as there are only two options namely private/public, it would be much faster to have the two options as buttons. Actually the option in the user preferences is flawed. There is some confusion on default settings. We have two sorts of defaults: system defaults and user defaults. And we have defaults for bookmarks and defaults for annotations. The system defaults are set to "private", contrary to TrailFire, where the system defaults are set to "public". Wether checking or unchecking the option box, in both cases we get the system default for annotations set to "private" and have to recheck it manually, each time when we want to make a public annotation. This is inconvenient for social minded peers, who want to use Diigo preferably for open social collaboration. So my suggestion is: If you stick to the principle "private first", setting the system defaults to "private", make two option boxes for letting the user set the user defaults for bookmarks and user defaults for annotations to "public", If you prefer the principle "public first", as done at Trailfire, setting the system defaults to "public", make two option boxes for letting the user set the user defaults for bookmarks and user defaults for annotations to "private", Of course, it would be even more practical for the programmers and perhaps for the users too, to make only one option box for bookmarks and annotations. The consequence would be: the user has only one decision to make: either they want to share their bookmarks and annotations with their peers in public or they don't want to share them with their peers, keeping them private. We are speaking only on default values. Nothing keeps the user off to recheck the defaults box in the dialog-window, on a case to case basis, when they actually make their bookmark or their annotation. MayAllBeHappy Fridemar</div>

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#4 Spiral Funk on 23 May 07

maggie_diigo wrote:

> > 1.Choosing between private and public bookmarking is still not fast enough, it feels silly to have a drop-down-menu as there are only two options namely private/public, it would be much faster to have the two options as buttons.
>
> The spacing a little bit tight there already. But nevertheless, see your point - will discuss here.

I do understand it's a matter of screen real estate among other things...

I don't know, perhaps it would be possible to hack the pop-up window to ones liking with Greasemonkey or Stylish scripts. Unfortunately i don't possess big hacking skills...

>
>
> > 2.1 I'm not presented with Tag Suggestions, i get Search Suggestions! Therefore i propose to make it an option to get Tag Suggestions instead in the "search box". (I never use diigo's search box for searching since i don't know the keyboard shortcut for it, if it exists... I use ctrl+k for firefox' own search box...)
>
> Diigo search box (multi-category) is one feature that may not be apparent at first glance, but very useful once you know how to use it. For those who haven't tried, I'd recommend reading the instruction http://www.diigo.com/help/search/3 and give that a try.
>

The multi-category search feature is handy indeed...

> Can you please elaborate more how you will envision a new "Tag Suggestion" icon / function will work in toolbar?
>

Sorry, with "tag suggestions" i just referred to the same kind of mechanism that is present in the diigo pop-up window, i.e. when the user starts typing in the tag field he will be presented with tags he has used before.

I think somebody suggested in another thread that it would be convenient to see what kinds of tags other people have used for the page, i wouldn't mind that, but it isn't crucial... I'm mainly concerned with remembering what kinds of tags i've used myself...

>
>
> > 2.2 I cannot choose between private and public bookmarking with QuickD. Since there's a notable difference between what kind of links i want public and private, it would be quite intuitive if i could specify that all bookmarks tagged with specific work related tag should be kept private. Or perhaps all items that have a specific tag prefix could be kept private (i use 2read, 2research, 2do and other odd conventions).
>
> I see. However, my first reaction is that is doing all these will really take lots of time saving vs. just using our Diigo bookmark popup window where you can achieve anything that you wish to accomplish without all these extra engineering effort? Before going back to our team for further discussion, we should assess is this a feature that's only going to be used by few users, or will be helpful to many to deserve the extra engineering effort.
>
> Maybe you can open up a separate thread on this particular issue to engage in other users's attention & feedback - would be nice to get some sense how widely used is QuickD and how people feel about it.
>

Will do (a new thread about QuickD)...

I guess my issue has to do with the fact that most of the time i only use the privacy selection-box and tag field feature of the pop-up window, everything else will be left untouched.

I chose Diigo as my bookmarking tool because it has the smartest functionality compared to others, that is only why i make such a huge issue of such a small thing...

> >
> > 2.3 It would be nice if i could specify tags that go directly to a Group too, like "collaboration" for the group "Collaboration". Another possibility, would be to use the Delicious prefix "for:" to send bookmarks to some group, i don't know how this should be handled when bookmarking simultaneously to delicious though...
>
> Good point - will discuss here.
>

Come to think of it, one needs to click three times to share a bookmark with a group, which is why i don't share much with groups...

As long as there isn't a big incentive to share with a group (e.g. if you don't know the people in it), the choice to share a bookmark with the group will be affected by smallish things...

I guess i've made my point clear already, and i'll stop for now... :-o :-)

<div class="cArrow"> </div><div class="cContentInner">maggie_diigo wrote: > > 1.Choosing between private and public bookmarking is still not fast enough, it feels silly to have a drop-down-menu as there are only two options namely private/public, it would be much faster to have the two options as buttons. > > The spacing a little bit tight there already. But nevertheless, see your point - will discuss here. I do understand it's a matter of screen real estate among other things... I don't know, perhaps it would be possible to hack the pop-up window to ones liking with Greasemonkey or Stylish scripts. Unfortunately i don't possess big hacking skills... > > > > 2.1 I'm not presented with Tag Suggestions, i get Search Suggestions! Therefore i propose to make it an option to get Tag Suggestions instead in the "search box". (I never use diigo's search box for searching since i don't know the keyboard shortcut for it, if it exists... I use ctrl+k for firefox' own search box...) > > Diigo search box (multi-category) is one feature that may not be apparent at first glance, but very useful once you know how to use it. For those who haven't tried, I'd recommend reading the instruction <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.diigo.com/help/search/3" title="Linkification: http://www.diigo.com/help/search/3" class="linkification-ext">http://www.diigo.com/help/search/3</a> and give that a try. > The multi-category search feature is handy indeed... > Can you please elaborate more how you will envision a new "Tag Suggestion" icon / function will work in toolbar? > Sorry, with "tag suggestions" i just referred to the same kind of mechanism that is present in the diigo pop-up window, i.e. when the user starts typing in the tag field he will be presented with tags he has used before. I think somebody suggested in another thread that it would be convenient to see what kinds of tags other people have used for the page, i wouldn't mind that, but it isn't crucial... I'm mainly concerned with remembering what kinds of tags i've used myself... > > > > 2.2 I cannot choose between private and public bookmarking with QuickD. Since there's a notable difference between what kind of links i want public and private, it would be quite intuitive if i could specify that all bookmarks tagged with specific work related tag should be kept private. Or perhaps all items that have a specific tag prefix could be kept private (i use 2read, 2research, 2do and other odd conventions). > > I see. However, my first reaction is that is doing all these will really take lots of time saving vs. just using our Diigo bookmark popup window where you can achieve anything that you wish to accomplish without all these extra engineering effort? Before going back to our team for further discussion, we should assess is this a feature that's only going to be used by few users, or will be helpful to many to deserve the extra engineering effort. > > Maybe you can open up a separate thread on this particular issue to engage in other users's attention & feedback - would be nice to get some sense how widely used is QuickD and how people feel about it. > Will do (a new thread about QuickD)... I guess my issue has to do with the fact that most of the time i only use the privacy selection-box and tag field feature of the pop-up window, everything else will be left untouched. I chose Diigo as my bookmarking tool because it has the smartest functionality compared to others, that is only why i make such a huge issue of such a small thing... > > > > 2.3 It would be nice if i could specify tags that go directly to a Group too, like "collaboration" for the group "Collaboration". Another possibility, would be to use the Delicious prefix "for:" to send bookmarks to some group, i don't know how this should be handled when bookmarking simultaneously to delicious though... > > Good point - will discuss here. > Come to think of it, one needs to click three times to share a bookmark with a group, which is why i don't share much with groups... As long as there isn't a big incentive to share with a group (e.g. if you don't know the people in it), the choice to share a bookmark with the group will be affected by smallish things... I guess i've made my point clear already, and i'll stop for now... :-o :-)</div>

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#5 Graham Perrin on 16 Mar 10

> we get the system default for annotations set to "private"
> and have to recheck it manually, each time
> when we want to make a public annotation.

Nowadays, it's the opposite. Not good for privacy.

We really need a server-side setting that's effective for users of Diigolet.

Cross-reference
Diigo service should allow obscurity/privacy by default for Diigolet, Post to Diigo and other scripts.

<div class="cArrow"> </div><div class="cContentInner">> we get the system default for annotations set to "private" > and have to recheck it manually, each time > when we want to make a public annotation. Nowadays, it's the opposite. Not good for privacy. We really need a server-side setting that's effective for users of Diigolet. Cross-reference <a rel="nofollow" href="http://groups.diigo.com/group/Diigo_HQ/content/1380563">Diigo service should allow obscurity/privacy by default for Diigolet, Post to Diigo and other scripts</a>.</div>

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