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Stephanie B

Arguments supporting our bill - 45 views

started by Stephanie B on 11 Apr 12 2 follow-ups, last by Kieran B on 19 Apr 12
  • Kieran B
    #3 Kieran B on 12 Apr 12
     
    Also are bill sets up a fair system for juveniles. Only juveniles committing serious crimes are sentenced to an adult punishment. This helps to create a fair punishment for the convict.
  • Kieran B
    #4 Kieran B on 12 Apr 12
     
    Another good part of our bill is that it has some "checks," meaning that different group are moderating each other. For example, the state "okaying" a juvenile getting transfered is a good thing because it moderates the power the courts have and it also makes sure that the courts are making accurate and correct decisions.
  • Kieran B
    #13 Kieran B on 19 Apr 12
     
    Ideas to stress for the debate in our favor:
    1. Our Bill provides fair trial for juveniles. Our bill has checks throughout the system in order to moderate branches of the processes
    2. We give juveniles a second chance. All juveniles go to rehabilitation, giving them the chance to start over and start a new "life."
    3. Our bill only gives a narrow age group that can be tried in an adult court, so that only a few specialized cases can be moved to an adult court. This saves people 15 of younger. Many people would agree with this because they believe that kids 15 and under are not fully developed and thus should not be tried in an adult court.
    4. Our bill makes the best decision for each case, so that each juvenile can make a "path to recovery."

    Ideas to defend in Debate:

    1. Time process (time for cases to be processed is too long)
    2. Capital Punishment (Our bill doesn't address capital punishment)
    3. Our bill can have juveniles sentenced to an adult jail. Some people would argue against this because they believe that putting kids in jail only makes the situation worse.
anonymous

What should our bill say? - 137 views

started by anonymous on 02 Apr 12 13 follow-ups, last by Kieran B on 16 Apr 12
  • Kieran B
    #12 Kieran B on 03 Apr 12
     
    I think that for serious crimes, such as murder and rape, juvenile offenders should be tried in an adult court. If found guilty they should get the same punishment as an adult with a smaller jail time with an extended rehabilitation period. I think that multiple offenders should be given the same punishments as adults. For other smaller crimes, such as stealing and assault juvenile offenders should be tried in a juvenile court. If found guilty, they should receive smaller punishments intended for juveniles. This punishment could/should include rehabilitation and community service. I don't believe, however, that juvenile offenders should receive any capital punishment, no matter how harsh the crime committed is. An example of this is that one Virginian teenager spent time in jail after committing a non- violent carjacking crime. After leaving jail, he went on to graduate college and become a published author. It would have been a tragedy and a huge mistake if this young man had been killed because of one misstep he made. So, I believe that most juvenile offenders should have the chance to make up for their mistakes in the form of rehabilitation or community service. Multiple Offenders of serious crimes, however, should receive the same punishments as adults.
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  • Kieran B
    #20 Kieran B on 03 Apr 12
     
    Isabel, I agree with you. I think that there should be a difference in punishments depending on the crime. It's true, that some crimes are much more severe and harsh than others. What punishments do you think juvenile offenders should receive for different crimes?
  • Kieran B
    #33 Kieran B on 05 Apr 12
     
    I personally believe that multiple offender juveniles should go to jail. Juveniles commit more than 10% of the crimes in the U.S., so jailing them could help in reducing the amount of crimes nationwide. Plus, do you think it's really safe to let a murderer and rapist go back to their lives, without being punished for what they have done? I just don't think that we can afford to allow these people to get away with these horrible crimes. If we don't come down hard on them, were are just encouraging them and people around them to commit crime. If we don't show juveniles that their crimes are unacceptable, people will get the idea into their head that they can do the same and get away with it. We need to show juveniles that they can't get away with crimes just because they're kids.
    I think that the age for juveniles should be 18 years old and under. 18 is already the age that many states use when deciding whether the convict is a juvenile. It makes sense to keep the same age that most of the states are using today. I think that most of the people here already believe that juveniles should be tried in a adult court for serious crimes such as murder and rape. However, we haven't talked a lot about the possibilities of rehabilitation and community service. I mean sentencing people to jail is not always the right answer. Take a case with a boy from Virginia. A Virginian teenager spent time in jail after committing a non- violent carjacking crime. After leaving jail, he went on to graduate college and become a published author. It would have been a tragedy and a huge mistake if this young man had been killed because of one misstep he made. this story just goes to prove that jail may not be the right answer to every crime...
  • Kieran B
    #39 Kieran B on 05 Apr 12
     
    This is maybe what the bill could say:
    -All juvenile offenders (age 18 and younger) will be tried in a juvenile court unless the crime committed is to such an extreme, in which case the offender will be tried in a adult court. The juvenile offender shall only be tried in an adult court if the state agrees. However, for this to happen, the crime must involve the murder or death of the victim; only then can a juvenile be tried in an adult court. The punishment of all other crimes should involve rehabilitation and community service.
  • Kieran B
    #44 Kieran B on 05 Apr 12
     
    How About this:

    -All juvenile offenders (age 18 and younger) will be tried in a juvenile court unless the crime committed is to such an extreme, in which case the offender will be tried in a adult court. Only juvenile offenders approved by the state, shall be allowed to go through a process involving an adult trial. However, for this to happen, the crime must involve the murder or death of the victim; only then can a juvenile be tried in an adult court. The punishment of all other crimes with less degree should involve rehabilitation and community service.All juveniles under the age of 15, however, will be tried in a juvenile court, where the punishment is carefully considered for the benefit of the convicted person.
  • Kieran B
    #50 Kieran B on 05 Apr 12
     
    how about this (Karin this might help with your idea):

    -All juvenile offenders (age 18 and younger) will be tried in a juvenile court unless the crime committed is to such an extreme, in which case the offender will then be transferred from a juvenile court to a adult court. All crimes, for kids aged 18 or younger, will start in a juvenile court. If the court believes that the crime is very extreme, the case will be moved to an adult court. However, to go through a process involving a adult court, cases must be approved by the state. For a case to be moved to an adult court, the crime must involve the murder, death, or rape of the victim; only then can a juvenile be tried in an adult court. The punishment of all other crimes with lesser degree should involve rehabilitation and community service.All juveniles under the age of 15, however, will be tried in a juvenile court, where the punishment is carefully considered for the benefit of the convicted person. Punishment inflicted upon the convict is decided by the court in which the juvenile is located. A juvenile in a adult court, will receive the same punishment as an adult. A juvenile in a juvenile court, will receive receive non-adult punishments appointed to their case which will include rehabilitation and community service.
  • Kieran B
    #56 Kieran B on 05 Apr 12
     
    Chance we all have to have one bill.... You can't have your own bill. Its a group bill
  • Kieran B
    #58 Kieran B on 05 Apr 12
     
    yahh. That's why i have been writing a bill and people have been commenting on the changes to make. Im trying to come up for a bill for all of us...which is what were supposed to do.
  • Kieran B
    #61 Kieran B on 05 Apr 12
     
    yah exactly! Good ideas Chance! are there any other point we need to address?
  • Kieran B
    #77 Kieran B on 06 Apr 12
     
    FINAL BILL:

    All juvenile offenders (age 18 and younger) will be tried in a juvenile court unless the crime committed is to such an extreme, in which case the offender will then be transferred from a juvenile court to a adult court. All crimes, for kids aged 18 or younger, will start in a juvenile court. If the court believes that the crime is very extreme, the case will be moved to an adult court. However, to go through a process involving a adult court, cases must be approved by the state. For a case to be moved to an adult court, the crime must involve the murder, death, or rape of the victim; only then can a juvenile be tried in an adult court. The punishment of all other crimes with lesser degree should involve rehabilitation and community service.All juveniles under the age of 15, however, will be tried in a juvenile court, where the punishment is carefully considered for the benefit of the convicted person. Punishment inflicted upon the convict is decided by the court in which the juvenile is located. A juvenile in a adult court, will receive the same punishment as an adult. A juvenile in a juvenile court, will receive receive non-adult punishments appointed to their case which will include rehabilitation and community service. When this person is released from their sentence they are to go to a rehabilitation center. In addition, for anyone up to the age 18 when they are suited to live on their own; may be removed temporarily or permanently removed from their legal guardian if it is decided they are not suited to bring up the child.
  • Kieran B
    #78 Kieran B on 06 Apr 12
     
    This is the new revised FINAL bill.
  • Kieran B
    #80 Kieran B on 06 Apr 12
     
    FINAL BILL ABOVE
  • Kieran B
    #83 Kieran B on 06 Apr 12
     
    Does the state have a say in whether the crime is large enough to be moved to an adult court or is it just automatic? If the state has such a big say it might get in the way..
    -Isabel
  • Kieran B
    #89 Kieran B on 16 Apr 12
     
    Good job!
Stephanie B

Arguments against our bill - 21 views

started by Stephanie B on 11 Apr 12 no follow-up yet
  • Kieran B
    #3 Kieran B on 12 Apr 12
     
    I agree Maeve. One problem for our bill could be the amount of time it takes for certain courts to make a punishment. I f a juvenile has to be moved from a juvenile court to a adult court and "okayed" by the state, this process could take a long time. States have lots of work to do, so, this process could take years and years.
Karin R

Should juveniles be able to be tried in adult court? For what crimes? - 8 views

started by Karin R on 05 Apr 12 no follow-up yet
  • Kieran B
    #2 Kieran B on 05 Apr 12
     
    I think that juveniles should be tried in adult cases if they are multiple offenders for serious cases, such as murder and rape. I do believe, however, that first time offenders for less serious cases, should be tried in a juvenile court, where the punishment includes lots of rehabilitation and community service.
Karin R

WHat age should be considered a juvenile? - 3 views

started by Karin R on 05 Apr 12 no follow-up yet
  • Kieran B
    #2 Kieran B on 05 Apr 12
     
    I think that juveniles should be 18 or under. 18 is already the age that many states use when dealing out punishments. It makes sense to keep the same age that most of the states are using today.
Kieran B

Should we treat juvenile offenders as adults? - Roanoke.com - 13 views

www.roanoke.com/...216362

shared by Kieran B on 22 Mar 12 - Cached
  • Kieran B on 22 Mar 12
     
    Explains the pro's and con's of sentencing juveniles to adult jail. Also gives real-life situations and explains the result
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