1. Why did you undo / delete the following things:
1.1. The 'My bookmarks' "auto"-filter function including the icon? (I don't want to go to the sidebar and start typing every time I want to access my often used bookmarks as online banking etc.) 1.2. Why can't I see, that / if a bookmark is already bookmarked as before? I want a visible sign back! 1.3. You expanded the drop-down options of the main diigo icon, but why can't I bookmark with it like before? What's the problem with that: 1.4. Why is there no "bookmark" icon, but only the text version? Why not let the user decide??
2. del.icio.us bookmarking isn't working with me, although I have added the account details online.
Thanks for your help in advance.
Kind regards.
PS: Currently, new topic and replying doesn't work in Flock & Firefox. Is this only a problem I do have?
> > 1. Why did you undo / delete the following things: > > 1.1. The 'My bookmarks' "auto"-filter function including the icon? (I don't want to go to the sidebar and start typing every time I want to access my often used bookmarks as online banking etc.) ===>Indeed, we will try to improve this feature.
> 1.2. Why can't I see, that / if a bookmark is already bookmarked as before? I want a visible sign back! ===> If you bookmarked the page, the book icon beside the bookmark button would change to a red book, the same as before.
> 1.3. You expanded the drop-down options of the main diigo icon, but why can't I bookmark with it like >before? What's the problem with that:
======> The previous design is about one button, multiple functions. It is too complex for normal users.
> 1.4. Why is there no "bookmark" icon, but only the text version? Why not let the user decide??
===> The functions of bookmark button and bookmark icon are different. The later is for one-click bookmark(QuickD).
> 2. del.icio.us bookmarking isn't working with me, although I have added the account details online.
====> Did you check the checkbox beside the account details?
> PS: Currently, new topic and replying doesn't work in Flock & Firefox. Is this only a problem I do >have?
====> It works for me. Could you try it in a fresh FF profile?
Joel Liu wrote: > Philipp Grunwald wrote: > > > > > 1. Why did you undo / delete the following things: > > > > 1.1. The 'My bookmarks' "auto"-filter function including the icon? (I don't want to go to the sidebar and start typing every time I want to access my often used bookmarks as online banking etc.) > === >Indeed, we will try to improve this feature.
How do you mean? I mean, what did improve practically? ;-)
But ok, I now found out, how it works / how you thought about it. I had to resort the icons, as you have to know, I sorted out several of the icons immediately after installing the toolbar, as I didn't expect you'd change all this. > > > 1.2. Why can't I see, that / if a bookmark is already bookmarked as before? I want a visible sign back! > === > If you bookmarked the page, the book icon beside the bookmark button would change to a red book, the same as before.
Not exactly, there are now two additional buttons. Also currently, if I quick-save a bookmark and assign tags afterwards (as there's no other way now, if I want to have an icon and no text ("bookmark")...*not happy*), del.icio.us does NOT save the newly assigned tags! (Saving of changes was always successfully also within del.icio.us, if I think of my bookmarking / tagging actions until now.)
Why?
> > 1.3. You expanded the drop-down options of the main diigo icon, but why can't I bookmark with it like >before? What's the problem with that: > > ====== > The previous design is about one button, multiple functions. It is too complex for normal users.
Why was this too complex?? I found it pretty convincing and made for immediate "to go" use! :) I am just unhappy with so many buttons and things to use / flip through, when it was all within easy reach before. Although I do say this mostly with the main bookmarking icon / function in mind. But maybe I do not have the usability feeling/behavior of the majority of people...
> > 1.4. Why is there no "bookmark" icon, but only the text version? Why not let the user decide?? > > === > The functions of bookmark button and bookmark icon are different. The later is for one-click bookmark(QuickD).
I know the function of "One-click bookmark / QuickD" and especially because of that, I don't understand, why the bookmarking-status is only displayed within this icon!! In my case, I do not use this function at all, as I think, (individual) tagging (out of a range of tags) is essential to (social) bookmarking!
Also you didn't answer my question ;-) why there is now for the normal bookmarking procedure (incl. tagging) only a text version and not an (additional) icon version, even if I have "Show Icons (only)" activated? (I do have this option activated.)
> > 2. del.icio.us bookmarking isn't working with me, although I have added the account details online. > > ==== > Did you check the checkbox beside the account details?
Yes I did. It seems, it now also worked / works now again. Don't know if this was caused by either diigo oder del.icio.us or maybe one browser I used. I'm happy if it just works from now on. ;-) > > > > > PS: Currently, new topic and replying doesn't work in Flock & Firefox. Is this only a problem I do >have? > > ==== > It works for me. Could you try it in a fresh FF profile?
Now seems to also work again. Might have been just a bad day yesterday. ;-)
But ok, I now found out, how it works / how you thought about it. I had to resort the icons, as you have to know, I sorted out several of the icons immediately after installing the toolbar, as I didn't expect you'd change all this.
I too miss the "my bookmarks" auto filter function. Did you find a way to get simliar functionality with the new toolbar? If so please share, because I'd like to do the same thing. This was a very important feature for me.
Philipp Grunwald wrote: > Joel Liu wrote: > > Philipp Grunwald wrote: > > > > > > > > 1. Why did you undo / delete the following things: > > > > > > 1.1. The 'My bookmarks' "auto"-filter function including the icon? (I don't want to go to the sidebar and start typing every time I want to access my often used bookmarks as online banking etc.) > > === >Indeed, we will try to improve this feature. > > How do you mean? I mean, what did improve practically? ;-) > > But ok, I now found out, how it works / how you thought about it. I had to resort the icons, as you have to know, I sorted out several of the icons immediately after installing the toolbar, as I didn't expect you'd change all this. > > > > > 1.2. Why can't I see, that / if a bookmark is already bookmarked as before? I want a visible sign back! > > === > If you bookmarked the page, the book icon beside the bookmark button would change to a red book, the same as before. > > Not exactly, there are now two additional buttons. > Also currently, if I quick-save a bookmark and assign tags afterwards (as there's no other way now, if I want to have an icon and no text ("bookmark")...*not happy*), del.icio.us does NOT save the newly assigned tags! (Saving of changes was always successfully also within del.icio.us, if I think of my bookmarking / tagging actions until now.) > > Why? > > > > 1.3. You expanded the drop-down options of the main diigo icon, but why can't I bookmark with it like >before? What's the problem with that: > > > > ====== > The previous design is about one button, multiple functions. It is too complex for normal users. > > Why was this too complex?? I found it pretty convincing and made for immediate "to go" use! :) > I am just unhappy with so many buttons and things to use / flip through, when it was all within easy reach before. Although I do say this mostly with the main bookmarking icon / function in mind. > But maybe I do not have the usability feeling/behavior of the majority of people... > > > > 1.4. Why is there no "bookmark" icon, but only the text version? Why not let the user decide?? > > > > === > The functions of bookmark button and bookmark icon are different. The later is for one-click bookmark(QuickD). > > I know the function of "One-click bookmark / QuickD" and especially because of that, I don't understand, why the bookmarking-status is only displayed within this icon!! In my case, I do not use this function at all, as I think, (individual) tagging (out of a range of tags) is essential to (social) bookmarking! > > Also you didn't answer my question ;-) why there is now for the normal bookmarking procedure (incl. tagging) only a text version and not an (additional) icon version, even if I have "Show Icons (only)" activated? (I do have this option activated.) > > > > 2. del.icio.us bookmarking isn't working with me, although I have added the account details online. > > > > ==== > Did you check the checkbox beside the account details? > > Yes I did. It seems, it now also worked / works now again. Don't know if this was caused by either diigo oder del.icio.us or maybe one browser I used. I'm happy if it just works from now on. ;-) > > > > > > > > > PS: Currently, new topic and replying doesn't work in Flock & Firefox. Is this only a problem I do >have? > > > > ==== > It works for me. Could you try it in a fresh FF profile? > > Now seems to also work again. Might have been just a bad day yesterday. ;-)
delicious and simpy bookmarking wasnt working for me yesterday. then simpy started working but delicious didn't. can't get to the options page right now. 500 error.
I generally prefer the new toolbar over the old one.. but i think it would be good to have a bookmark icon as well as a quickD icon. Maybe make them link together to form 2 parts of the same icon? eg: CD
I understand why the diigo button was confusing... although ight now you have a few UI inconsistencies. For all the other buttons the down arrow is a separate button, for the diigo button its the same button. Searches open in new tabs (Thank you!) but men options still overwrite your current tab, and you can't right click.
If i might suggest, how about putting quick links to the most common search terms under the search box in the sidebar? Though generally, I think it'd be really useful to be able to sort links by frequency of USE.. and have my most use ones there at the top when I open the sidebar. (spurl used to do this and it rocked. The spurl sidebar is still the best bookmarking sidebar imho... shame the site died.)
Hello Philipp, hopefully I don't come off as hijacking the thread but this seems like an appropriate on-topic place to post everything that's missing with the new Diigo.
Joel, I think the problem with the new Diigo (besides the things not working properly) is that in the past the beginners and advanced section were present while the new Diigo tries to combine both features which ends up giving users with less choices and user interface inconsistency.
A good example is how the bookmarks now have a new tagging interface but creating a new list while on the bookmarks pop-up window results in a new webpage being shown rather than a small pop-up giving the option to create a new list.
Now when you reach the list creation page, it opts the user to go back to the old comma style separation of tags. Something I prefer but only because I'm used to social bookmarking sites but still, there should be a consistency as to which method of tagging should be done rather than only change part of the site.
Now where this becomes user unfriendly is the refresh user data option which is something that I don't think both new users and advanced users will quickly pick out. I had to try it before I realized that the new lists only updated when I clicked on it. (Please don't make it auto-refresh! I don't want it to slow down my system.)
Another example of not really for beginners/not really for advanced users is the menu bar. I like it since I'm a minimalist and for the longest time the only toolbar I've kept in view is the Diigo toolbar because there was no way to use it while retaining it's features but unfortunately for newbies, they won't need it and for advanced users, it lacks many of the features located in the toolbar like bookmarked icons and such and I don't think it's possible to add those features making the Diigo menu more of a convenience for viewing all the information without going to the main bookmarks page. Still, I think if you can add a starred bookmark, I could see it as being slightly useful to someone and could be a good alternative to the auto-filter option though I never tried the option because I didn't know it was possible to do that in Diigo.
Finally this is more of a personal preference but I think the new version is looking too white and blue. I miss the yellow sections in the highlight previews under each bookmarks and I felt it was easier to read and navigate the site in the past. I think the way to go should be a choice of customizing the colors for the highlights and annotations rather than taking the colors away.
What does this have to do with the toolbar? I think the new site lay-out influenced the toolbar too and while there wasn't that much yellow in the toolbar before, it seemed more colorful and I thought that was heavily influenced by the site design.
For ex. I loved the liveliness of the book besides the Diigo icon rather than the new red book icon. It's less spotted but I think these are the type of look that could be delegated to the advanced user look. Certainly the new Diigo and the old Diigo seems to be worlds apart that it's like two different people designed it. The old look was like the friendly Diigo that had the annoying way of presenting highlights and the new Diigo looks to be like the professional office mate/boss that is telling you how to do things because it knows how to make things work better but at the price of taking away your past choices and I think at the end of the day, most users would want an option to meet both and then customize the things they don't like rather than have simpler options that the new interface provides.
Hopefully Diigo would go to this direction in future updates. The new look seems so straight edged and bland to the point that it's not as fun as before reading highlight previews and sticky notes but now at least the actual webpage where the highlights are located and the shortcuts are less intrusive.
Philipp Grunwald wrote: > What's missing in v.3 … > > 2. del.icio.us bookmarking isn't working with me, although I have added the account details online. >
2.1 The most serious matter for me is that blinklist bookmarking is not offered anymore
started by P. G. on 21 Mar 08
Hello,
ok I'm missing some points in the new v.3:
1. Why did you undo / delete the following things:
1.1. The 'My bookmarks' "auto"-filter function including the icon? (I don't want to go to the sidebar and start typing every time I want to access my often used bookmarks as online banking etc.)
1.2. Why can't I see, that / if a bookmark is already bookmarked as before? I want a visible sign back!
1.3. You expanded the drop-down options of the main diigo icon, but why can't I bookmark with it like before? What's the problem with that:
1.4. Why is there no "bookmark" icon, but only the text version? Why not let the user decide??
2. del.icio.us bookmarking isn't working with me, although I have added the account details online.
Thanks for your help in advance.
Kind regards.
PS: Currently, new topic and replying doesn't work in Flock & Firefox. Is this only a problem I do have?
>
> 1. Why did you undo / delete the following things:
>
> 1.1. The 'My bookmarks' "auto"-filter function including the icon? (I don't want to go to the sidebar and start typing every time I want to access my often used bookmarks as online banking etc.)
===>Indeed, we will try to improve this feature.
> 1.2. Why can't I see, that / if a bookmark is already bookmarked as before? I want a visible sign back!
===> If you bookmarked the page, the book icon beside the bookmark button would change to a red book, the same as before.
> 1.3. You expanded the drop-down options of the main diigo icon, but why can't I bookmark with it like >before? What's the problem with that:
======> The previous design is about one button, multiple functions. It is too complex for normal users.
> 1.4. Why is there no "bookmark" icon, but only the text version? Why not let the user decide??
===> The functions of bookmark button and bookmark icon are different. The later is for one-click bookmark(QuickD).
> 2. del.icio.us bookmarking isn't working with me, although I have added the account details online.
====> Did you check the checkbox beside the account details?
> PS: Currently, new topic and replying doesn't work in Flock & Firefox. Is this only a problem I do >have?
====> It works for me. Could you try it in a fresh FF profile?
> Philipp Grunwald wrote:
>
> >
> > 1. Why did you undo / delete the following things:
> >
> > 1.1. The 'My bookmarks' "auto"-filter function including the icon? (I don't want to go to the sidebar and start typing every time I want to access my often used bookmarks as online banking etc.)
> === >Indeed, we will try to improve this feature.
How do you mean? I mean, what did improve practically? ;-)
But ok, I now found out, how it works / how you thought about it. I had to resort the icons, as you have to know, I sorted out several of the icons immediately after installing the toolbar, as I didn't expect you'd change all this.
>
> > 1.2. Why can't I see, that / if a bookmark is already bookmarked as before? I want a visible sign back!
> === > If you bookmarked the page, the book icon beside the bookmark button would change to a red book, the same as before.
Not exactly, there are now two additional buttons.
Also currently, if I quick-save a bookmark and assign tags afterwards (as there's no other way now, if I want to have an icon and no text ("bookmark")...*not happy*), del.icio.us does NOT save the newly assigned tags! (Saving of changes was always successfully also within del.icio.us, if I think of my bookmarking / tagging actions until now.)
Why?
> > 1.3. You expanded the drop-down options of the main diigo icon, but why can't I bookmark with it like >before? What's the problem with that:
>
> ====== > The previous design is about one button, multiple functions. It is too complex for normal users.
Why was this too complex?? I found it pretty convincing and made for immediate "to go" use! :)
I am just unhappy with so many buttons and things to use / flip through, when it was all within easy reach before. Although I do say this mostly with the main bookmarking icon / function in mind.
But maybe I do not have the usability feeling/behavior of the majority of people...
> > 1.4. Why is there no "bookmark" icon, but only the text version? Why not let the user decide??
>
> === > The functions of bookmark button and bookmark icon are different. The later is for one-click bookmark(QuickD).
I know the function of "One-click bookmark / QuickD" and especially because of that, I don't understand, why the bookmarking-status is only displayed within this icon!! In my case, I do not use this function at all, as I think, (individual) tagging (out of a range of tags) is essential to (social) bookmarking!
Also you didn't answer my question ;-) why there is now for the normal bookmarking procedure (incl. tagging) only a text version and not an (additional) icon version, even if I have "Show Icons (only)" activated? (I do have this option activated.)
> > 2. del.icio.us bookmarking isn't working with me, although I have added the account details online.
>
> ==== > Did you check the checkbox beside the account details?
Yes I did. It seems, it now also worked / works now again. Don't know if this was caused by either diigo oder del.icio.us or maybe one browser I used. I'm happy if it just works from now on. ;-)
>
>
>
> > PS: Currently, new topic and replying doesn't work in Flock & Firefox. Is this only a problem I do >have?
>
> ==== > It works for me. Could you try it in a fresh FF profile?
Now seems to also work again. Might have been just a bad day yesterday. ;-)
I too miss the "my bookmarks" auto filter function. Did you find a way to get simliar functionality with the new toolbar? If so please share, because I'd like to do the same thing. This was a very important feature for me.
Philipp Grunwald wrote:
> Joel Liu wrote:
> > Philipp Grunwald wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > 1. Why did you undo / delete the following things:
> > >
> > > 1.1. The 'My bookmarks' "auto"-filter function including the icon? (I don't want to go to the sidebar and start typing every time I want to access my often used bookmarks as online banking etc.)
> > === >Indeed, we will try to improve this feature.
>
> How do you mean? I mean, what did improve practically? ;-)
>
> But ok, I now found out, how it works / how you thought about it. I had to resort the icons, as you have to know, I sorted out several of the icons immediately after installing the toolbar, as I didn't expect you'd change all this.
> >
> > > 1.2. Why can't I see, that / if a bookmark is already bookmarked as before? I want a visible sign back!
> > === > If you bookmarked the page, the book icon beside the bookmark button would change to a red book, the same as before.
>
> Not exactly, there are now two additional buttons.
> Also currently, if I quick-save a bookmark and assign tags afterwards (as there's no other way now, if I want to have an icon and no text ("bookmark")...*not happy*), del.icio.us does NOT save the newly assigned tags! (Saving of changes was always successfully also within del.icio.us, if I think of my bookmarking / tagging actions until now.)
>
> Why?
>
> > > 1.3. You expanded the drop-down options of the main diigo icon, but why can't I bookmark with it like >before? What's the problem with that:
> >
> > ====== > The previous design is about one button, multiple functions. It is too complex for normal users.
>
> Why was this too complex?? I found it pretty convincing and made for immediate "to go" use! :)
> I am just unhappy with so many buttons and things to use / flip through, when it was all within easy reach before. Although I do say this mostly with the main bookmarking icon / function in mind.
> But maybe I do not have the usability feeling/behavior of the majority of people...
>
> > > 1.4. Why is there no "bookmark" icon, but only the text version? Why not let the user decide??
> >
> > === > The functions of bookmark button and bookmark icon are different. The later is for one-click bookmark(QuickD).
>
> I know the function of "One-click bookmark / QuickD" and especially because of that, I don't understand, why the bookmarking-status is only displayed within this icon!! In my case, I do not use this function at all, as I think, (individual) tagging (out of a range of tags) is essential to (social) bookmarking!
>
> Also you didn't answer my question ;-) why there is now for the normal bookmarking procedure (incl. tagging) only a text version and not an (additional) icon version, even if I have "Show Icons (only)" activated? (I do have this option activated.)
>
> > > 2. del.icio.us bookmarking isn't working with me, although I have added the account details online.
> >
> > ==== > Did you check the checkbox beside the account details?
>
> Yes I did. It seems, it now also worked / works now again. Don't know if this was caused by either diigo oder del.icio.us or maybe one browser I used. I'm happy if it just works from now on. ;-)
> >
> >
> >
> > > PS: Currently, new topic and replying doesn't work in Flock & Firefox. Is this only a problem I do >have?
> >
> > ==== > It works for me. Could you try it in a fresh FF profile?
>
> Now seems to also work again. Might have been just a bad day yesterday. ;-)
I generally prefer the new toolbar over the old one.. but i think it would be good to have a bookmark icon as well as a quickD icon. Maybe make them link together to form 2 parts of the same icon? eg: CD
I understand why the diigo button was confusing... although ight now you have a few UI inconsistencies.
For all the other buttons the down arrow is a separate button, for the diigo button its the same button.
Searches open in new tabs (Thank you!) but men options still overwrite your current tab, and you can't right click.
If i might suggest, how about putting quick links to the most common search terms under the search box in the sidebar?
Though generally, I think it'd be really useful to be able to sort links by frequency of USE.. and have my most use ones there at the top when I open the sidebar. (spurl used to do this and it rocked. The spurl sidebar is still the best bookmarking sidebar imho... shame the site died.)
@Neuralbomb: I don't think there is any way. ;-)
Joel, I think the problem with the new Diigo (besides the things not working properly) is that in the past the beginners and advanced section were present while the new Diigo tries to combine both features which ends up giving users with less choices and user interface inconsistency.
A good example is how the bookmarks now have a new tagging interface but creating a new list while on the bookmarks pop-up window results in a new webpage being shown rather than a small pop-up giving the option to create a new list.
Now when you reach the list creation page, it opts the user to go back to the old comma style separation of tags. Something I prefer but only because I'm used to social bookmarking sites but still, there should be a consistency as to which method of tagging should be done rather than only change part of the site.
Now where this becomes user unfriendly is the refresh user data option which is something that I don't think both new users and advanced users will quickly pick out. I had to try it before I realized that the new lists only updated when I clicked on it. (Please don't make it auto-refresh! I don't want it to slow down my system.)
Another example of not really for beginners/not really for advanced users is the menu bar. I like it since I'm a minimalist and for the longest time the only toolbar I've kept in view is the Diigo toolbar because there was no way to use it while retaining it's features but unfortunately for newbies, they won't need it and for advanced users, it lacks many of the features located in the toolbar like bookmarked icons and such and I don't think it's possible to add those features making the Diigo menu more of a convenience for viewing all the information without going to the main bookmarks page. Still, I think if you can add a starred bookmark, I could see it as being slightly useful to someone and could be a good alternative to the auto-filter option though I never tried the option because I didn't know it was possible to do that in Diigo.
Finally this is more of a personal preference but I think the new version is looking too white and blue. I miss the yellow sections in the highlight previews under each bookmarks and I felt it was easier to read and navigate the site in the past. I think the way to go should be a choice of customizing the colors for the highlights and annotations rather than taking the colors away.
What does this have to do with the toolbar? I think the new site lay-out influenced the toolbar too and while there wasn't that much yellow in the toolbar before, it seemed more colorful and I thought that was heavily influenced by the site design.
For ex. I loved the liveliness of the book besides the Diigo icon rather than the new red book icon. It's less spotted but I think these are the type of look that could be delegated to the advanced user look. Certainly the new Diigo and the old Diigo seems to be worlds apart that it's like two different people designed it. The old look was like the friendly Diigo that had the annoying way of presenting highlights and the new Diigo looks to be like the professional office mate/boss that is telling you how to do things because it knows how to make things work better but at the price of taking away your past choices and I think at the end of the day, most users would want an option to meet both and then customize the things they don't like rather than have simpler options that the new interface provides.
Hopefully Diigo would go to this direction in future updates. The new look seems so straight edged and bland to the point that it's not as fun as before reading highlight previews and sticky notes but now at least the actual webpage where the highlights are located and the shortcuts are less intrusive.
> What's missing in v.3 …
>
> 2. del.icio.us bookmarking isn't working with me, although I have added the account details online.
>
2.1 The most serious matter for me is that blinklist bookmarking is not offered anymore
:-(
We are focusing on fixing bugs now. However we will consider all suggestions in the Diigo V3 improvement plan.
For blinklist bookmarking, I explained it in http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/2740
I hope you can understand.
I found a possible bug for saving to elsewhere and will also describe it in http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/2740