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simpy import bug tags-related tag resolved

started by era e on 03 May 09
  • Bill Hooker
     
    I have the same issue as era e; all of my imported Simpy tags have that weird cruft and do not function as tags even though they show up in that field. I have been watching another forum thread about tag issues:

    http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/selecting-any-tags-shows-error-no-bookmarks-tagged-tag-name-44519

    and hoping that whatever was generally wrong with tags would also turn out to be the problem with my imported Simpy tags. Unfortunately that does not seem to have been the case, although it's not at all clear whether that other issue is in fact resolved.

    Tags I add myself seem to work OK, but I cannot even get my imported tags to show up in a way that would enable me to edit out the cruft by hand.

    Help, please!
  • Bill Hooker
     
    Improvement! :-)

    The issue from the other thread has apparently been resolved, but it hasn't completely fixed the problem with imported Simpy tags:

    1. the crufty imported tags can be edited on a per-item basis and thereafter function as regular tags (but I have >4000 items with >1 tag for most of them, so this is not an option)

    2. searching for the name of a tag that has wound up encruftulated brings up the crufty tags e.g. searching for tag "impactfactor" finds all the imported items tagged "<![CDATA[impactfactor]]><_tag>"

    3. however, clicking on ANY crufty tag, no matter what the original tag name is that's buried inside it, brings up the same error message: "no bookmarks tagged <_tag>"

    4. crufty imported tags do not show up in "My Tags" tab -- if they did, I suspect they could be edited one-by-one, which would be do-able since I only have a couple hundred tags at most.
  • Bill Hooker
     
    Loss of improvement! :-(

    1. crufty tags can still be edited item-by-item but this is still not an option

    2. searching for part of a tag no longer finds anything at all. Does wildcard searching work? If so, how?

    3. clicking on a crufty tag now seems to work like clicking on a regular tag, brings up all the items carrying that particular crufty tag; since I cannot be arsed to memorize the cruft format this really isn't much use

    4. but crufty tags still don't show up in "My Tags", so I still cannot edit them

    I've switched full-time from Simpy to Diigo and, apart from the continuing problem with my imported tags, have been very pleased with performance and usability.
  • Graham Perrin
     
    Subject: searches for tags: wildcards

    > Does wildcard searching work?

    AFAICT not for tags.
  • era e
     
    Bill Hooker wrote:
    > Now my encruftulated tags show up in "my tags" -- sadly, although I can edit them, the edits don't "stick". That is, it seems to work, the message "tag changed to blahblah" appears -- but then searching for the de-crufted tag shows that the cruft is still there.
    >
    > For instance: I can edit the tag
    >
    > <![CDATA[*dosomething] ><_tag >
    >
    > to
    >
    > *dosomething
    >
    > but the edit is not permanently recorded -- after I hit save, I still have the crufty tag and don't have the new clean tag.

    I edited several hundred tags and only some of them failed to stick. It seems that tag names which start with numbers will not stick, for example; but I'm not entirely sure if this is consistent. There is also a set which cannot be deleted, with somewhat similar features. Anyway, all things counted, I'm now stuck with only a handful of crufty tags. http://www.diigo.com/cloud/tripleee?alpha=&page=0&sort=1

    What irks me is that these were produced by an automatic import which should obviously be fixed. In fact, I'd rather delete all my bookmarks and start over if the Simpy import could be fixed any time soon.

    This was my second attempt at a Simpy import (hard to tell, of course; could be that the first one worked after all, and that the second did nothing -- but the lack of feedback for imports in progress is a separate issue which I have reported elsewhere IIRC) but my Blinklist bookmarks have still not been imported successfully, and I'm hesitant to try again if that has similar issues.
  • Graham Perrin
     
    > if the Simpy import could be fixed

    AFAICT the issues affecting imported tags are not specific to Simpy.
  • Bill Hooker
     
    era e wrote:

    > I edited several hundred tags and only some of them failed to stick. It seems that tag names which start with numbers will not stick, for example; but I'm not entirely sure if this is consistent. There is also a set which cannot be deleted, with somewhat similar features. Anyway, all things counted, I'm now stuck with only a handful of crufty tags.

    Thanks for that -- I think I am in a similar situation. Also, some of the edits or deletes that don't appear to stick may in fact stick, they just take a while to show up. E.g. I just de-crufted my tag "almaswan" and now I appear to have both the uncrufted and crufty versions -- I'll update here if and when the crufty one disappears.

    Now I have >600 tags to edit by hand, but at least I can do it. Sort of.
  • Graham Perrin
     
    Thanks to Bill for more positive feedback (and patience)!

    > I just de-crufted my tag "almaswan" and now I appear to have
    > both the uncrufted and crufty versions

    By coincidence, a few minutes ago I removed
    (NUI
    and
    Galway)
    from my tags† and already http://www.diigo.com/user/grahamperrin/Galway) finds no matches, which is correct.

    AFAICT the cruft remains (for how long, I don't know) only if originated from an import.

    > I'll update here if and when the crufty one disappears.

    Great.

    † two botched tags arising from my careless copy and paste of
    DERI (NUI Galway),
    from Common Tag Brings Standards to Metadata
  • Graham Perrin
     
    > >600 tags to edit by hand, but at least I can do it. Sort of.

    Tip: don't rush to do them all at once. Edit a tag only when required. I'll be less painful.

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