and that bookmark is not found within my bookmarks. I tried searching for other bookmarks: some are found and some aren't, I couldn't understand what made some searches work and others not.
> Are the searches that fail for you the ones that involve a search for a tag?
No. I wanted to search on bookmark title or URL, so I typed «diigo» in the box on the upper-right corner of the "My Bookmarks" page.
I read that diigo did a full-text search on bookmark title, URL and annotations. I always try to change the bookmark title to something I can search on later; I only use tags when the title alone is not significant enough to be searched on.
I saved the browser window before and after the search, it should show clearly what I tried to do, but I don't know if and how I could paste the jpg files here.
Once again, thanks for your speedy attention and interest !
shows up elsewhere in the Diigo world. You must of stumbled upon this somewhere, liked what you saw and saved it to your own bookmarks. I know this, because you are included in the list of people who have saved the bookmark. The original title of the bookmark was "Customize Search" and had some tags associated with it.
You saved the bookmark and added the word "Diigo" to the front. Now you will notice that your search keyword was Diigo, the word you added. I am betting that if you perform the same search using a keyword found in the original, i.e. "Customize" your mystery bookmark will show up.
I am guessing that bookmarks are inserted and accessed by their URL, with a list of Diigo accounts that own such the bookmark. Diigo searches (since it does a personal AND a Diigo community search) probably performs a shallow search and does not log the variations of all of the saved bookmarks. In this case, according to Diigo the Title is "Customize Search" NOT "Diigo Customize Search".
This doesn't help you, but the Diigo developers should be aware. Makes me wonder what happens if the very first person who created that bookmark, decides to go and delete it from their personal bookmarks. Does Diigo lose all associations to that URL thus lost forever or retain the original information that was stored with it?
OK, got another beef with this search business and its related to the above bug. If you create a bookmark, but are not the first person in the Diigo community to do so, then when you perform a search, the bookmark will not show up in the "My Bookmarks" hit list, but will show up in the "Everyone's Bookmarks" hit list. I am more interested in mine first, as these are more relevant and then everyone else's if I want to expand my search. This is a fundamental break down in the search process and what people most want to see.
> I believe you uncovered a nice little bug. I may be a cyber geek, but its so > much fun when I find a bug.
I accidentally "treaded" on it. Your job was harder and more creative: you pierced a pin through it and gave it a name !
> So after doing a little cyber sleuthing, I discovered that the bookmark in > question URL: http://www.diigo.com/customize_search shows up elsewhere in > the Diigo world. You must of stumbled upon this somewhere, liked what you saw > and saved it to your own bookmarks. I know this, because you are included in > the list of people who have saved the bookmark. The original title of the > bookmark was "Customize Search" and had some tags associated with it.
That's exactly what I did !
> You saved the bookmark and added the word "Diigo" to the front. Now you will > notice that your search keyword was Diigo, the word you added. I am betting > that if you perform the same search using a keyword found in the original, > i.e. "Customize" your mystery bookmark will show up.
It would make sense, yes, but the mystery persisted: neither "customize" nor "search" can uncover the bookmark ! But this doesn't seem to make sense anymore.
> I am guessing that bookmarks are inserted and accessed by their URL, with a > list of Diigo accounts that own such the bookmark. Diigo searches (since it > does a personal AND a Diigo community search) probably performs a shallow > search and does not log the variations of all of the saved bookmarks. In this > case, according to Diigo the Title is "Customize Search" NOT "Diigo Customize > Search".
I see your point. But I would have imagined and expected that the search would be done ALSO on the URL. If this were the case, either "diigo", "customize" or "search" would have found the bookmark.
> This doesn't help you, but the Diigo developers should be aware. Makes me > wonder what happens if the very first person who created that bookmark, > decides to go and delete it from their personal bookmarks. Does Diigo lose > all associations to that URL thus lost forever or retain the original > information that was stored with it?
I'm also wondering: if the 1st person who bookmarked the page changed its title, quite likely that would be the title used thereafter for searching.
(First of all, apologies for mixing up your name when I replied to your 1st post)
> OK, got another beef with this search business and its related to the above > bug. If you create a bookmark, but are not the first person in the Diigo > community to do so, then when you perform a search, the bookmark will not > show up in the "My Bookmarks" hit list, but will show up in the "Everyone's > Bookmarks" hit list. I am more interested in mine first, as these are more > relevant and then everyone else's if I want to expand my search. This is a > fundamental break down in the search process and what people most want to > see.
Hadn't thought of that but you are right. It looks like you've uncovered quite a few inconsistencies with the search mechanism. Do the Diigo developers monitor this forum or should we open a bug report somewhere ?
Bookmarking and finding what you bookmarked is the least one can expect from a service such as diigo or delicious. Unless one uses heavily diigo's collaborative features, this is enough to justify reverting to delicious, which I might actually do, even though their web interface is much worse than diigo's.
Once again, sincere thanks for taking the time on this !
Oh dear, now lets not be rash :-) and jump back to Delicious. I may be just speaking as an advocate here, but I think Diigo far exceeds Delicious, even with the occasional bumps in the development path.
The developers do monitor this forum and I occasionally have their audience, so I am sure this will get worked out.
I am backtracking a bit about my prior point. I wander if your original search query of "Diigo" REALLY DID find your bookmark, but it was buried deep in the "Everyone's Bookmarks" and was ommited from the "My Bookmarks" listing. This would be the same problem I had with my second point. Since a search of "Diigo" on the community website gives over 8000 hits, it would be little wonder why you may not have seen it.
Subject: bookmark in my bookmarks not found by searching my bookmarks
> If you create a bookmark, but are not the first person in the > Diigo community to do so, then when you perform a search, the > bookmark will not show up in the "My Bookmarks" hit list
> Oh dear, now lets not be rash :-) and jump back to Delicious. I may be just > speaking as an advocate here, but I think Diigo far exceeds Delicious, even > with the occasional bumps in the development path.
I can sense that "Diigo far exceeds Delicious", you're right, but then again: if a Volkswagen Beetle serves my needs, why should I get a Ferrari ?
> The developers do monitor this forum and I occasionally have their audience, > so I am sure this will get worked out.
Good to know this. Flicking through other threads, I could see they were overseeing the hustle-bustle down here.
> I am backtracking a bit about my prior point. I wander if your original > search query of "Diigo" REALLY DID find your bookmark, but it was buried deep > in the "Everyone's Bookmarks" and was ommited from the "My Bookmarks" > listing. This would be the same problem I had with my second point. Since a > search of "Diigo" on the community website gives over 8000 hits, it would be > little wonder why you may not have seen it. > > What do you think?
It makes perfect sense to me if we stick to your sound reasoning. I flicked through some 300 hits but didn't get to my bookmark. It should be buried deep as you said.
Let's see what the diigo people have to say about this !
This contradicts what we observed with my bookmark search. I'm puzzled. I must be missing something. But it will be easy to dispell the doubt: to do it again:
1. Spot a heavily bookmarked link 2. Bookmark it, changing its title 3. Search on any keyword from the changed title
I created this bookmark on Jan 15th:
Title: Diigo Customize Search
URL: http://www.diigo.com/customize_search
On http://www.diigo.com/user/marcelpaulo, I write on the search box:
diigo
and that bookmark is not found within my bookmarks. I tried searching for other bookmarks: some are found and some aren't, I couldn't understand what made some searches work and others not.
Would somebody know what I'm doing wrong here ?
Thanks
Paulo
http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/9632 concerns failing searches for tags.
(It may be a user wish that is not yet implemented, but it feels like a bug.)
Are the searches that fail for you the ones that involve a search for a tag?
Hey, thanks for the speed-lightning reply !
> Are the searches that fail for you the ones that involve a search for a tag?
No. I wanted to search on bookmark title or URL, so I typed «diigo» in the box on the upper-right corner of the "My Bookmarks" page.
I read that diigo did a full-text search on bookmark title, URL and annotations. I always try to change the bookmark title to something I can search on later; I only use tags when the title alone is not significant enough to be searched on.
I saved the browser window before and after the search, it should show clearly what I tried to do, but I don't know if and how I could paste the jpg files here.
Once again, thanks for your speedy attention and interest !
Paulo
So after doing a little cyber sleuthing, I discovered that the bookmark in question
URL: http://www.diigo.com/customize_search
shows up elsewhere in the Diigo world. You must of stumbled upon this somewhere, liked what you saw and saved it to your own bookmarks. I know this, because you are included in the list of people who have saved the bookmark. The original title of the bookmark was "Customize Search" and had some tags associated with it.
You saved the bookmark and added the word "Diigo" to the front. Now you will notice that your search keyword was Diigo, the word you added. I am betting that if you perform the same search using a keyword found in the original, i.e. "Customize" your mystery bookmark will show up.
I am guessing that bookmarks are inserted and accessed by their URL, with a list of Diigo accounts that own such the bookmark. Diigo searches (since it does a personal AND a Diigo community search) probably performs a shallow search and does not log the variations of all of the saved bookmarks. In this case, according to Diigo the Title is "Customize Search" NOT "Diigo Customize Search".
This doesn't help you, but the Diigo developers should be aware. Makes me wonder what happens if the very first person who created that bookmark, decides to go and delete it from their personal bookmarks. Does Diigo lose all associations to that URL thus lost forever or retain the original information that was stored with it?
> I believe you uncovered a nice little bug. I may be a cyber geek, but its so
> much fun when I find a bug.
I accidentally "treaded" on it. Your job was harder and more creative: you
pierced a pin through it and gave it a name !
> So after doing a little cyber sleuthing, I discovered that the bookmark in
> question URL: http://www.diigo.com/customize_search shows up elsewhere in
> the Diigo world. You must of stumbled upon this somewhere, liked what you saw
> and saved it to your own bookmarks. I know this, because you are included in
> the list of people who have saved the bookmark. The original title of the
> bookmark was "Customize Search" and had some tags associated with it.
That's exactly what I did !
> You saved the bookmark and added the word "Diigo" to the front. Now you will
> notice that your search keyword was Diigo, the word you added. I am betting
> that if you perform the same search using a keyword found in the original,
> i.e. "Customize" your mystery bookmark will show up.
It would make sense, yes, but the mystery persisted: neither "customize" nor
"search" can uncover the bookmark ! But this doesn't seem to make sense anymore.
> I am guessing that bookmarks are inserted and accessed by their URL, with a
> list of Diigo accounts that own such the bookmark. Diigo searches (since it
> does a personal AND a Diigo community search) probably performs a shallow
> search and does not log the variations of all of the saved bookmarks. In this
> case, according to Diigo the Title is "Customize Search" NOT "Diigo Customize
> Search".
I see your point. But I would have imagined and expected that the search would
be done ALSO on the URL. If this were the case, either "diigo", "customize" or
"search" would have found the bookmark.
> This doesn't help you, but the Diigo developers should be aware. Makes me
> wonder what happens if the very first person who created that bookmark,
> decides to go and delete it from their personal bookmarks. Does Diigo lose
> all associations to that URL thus lost forever or retain the original
> information that was stored with it?
I'm also wondering: if the 1st person who bookmarked the page changed its
title, quite likely that would be the title used thereafter for searching.
Hey, thanks for taking the time to analyze this !
Paulo
(First of all, apologies for mixing up your name when I replied to your 1st
post)
> OK, got another beef with this search business and its related to the above
> bug. If you create a bookmark, but are not the first person in the Diigo
> community to do so, then when you perform a search, the bookmark will not
> show up in the "My Bookmarks" hit list, but will show up in the "Everyone's
> Bookmarks" hit list. I am more interested in mine first, as these are more
> relevant and then everyone else's if I want to expand my search. This is a
> fundamental break down in the search process and what people most want to
> see.
Hadn't thought of that but you are right. It looks like you've uncovered quite
a few inconsistencies with the search mechanism. Do the Diigo developers
monitor this forum or should we open a bug report somewhere ?
Bookmarking and finding what you bookmarked is the least one can expect from a
service such as diigo or delicious. Unless one uses heavily diigo's
collaborative features, this is enough to justify reverting to delicious, which
I might actually do, even though their web interface is much worse than
diigo's.
Once again, sincere thanks for taking the time on this !
Paulo
The developers do monitor this forum and I occasionally have their audience, so I am sure this will get worked out.
I am backtracking a bit about my prior point. I wander if your original search query of "Diigo" REALLY DID find your bookmark, but it was buried deep in the "Everyone's Bookmarks" and was ommited from the "My Bookmarks" listing. This would be the same problem I had with my second point. Since a search of "Diigo" on the community website gives over 8000 hits, it would be little wonder why you may not have seen it.
What do you think?
> If you create a bookmark, but are not the first person in the
> Diigo community to do so, then when you perform a search, the
> bookmark will not show up in the "My Bookmarks" hit list
http://www.diigo.com/search/fulltext?what=Minds%20on%20Fire
*does* place the required bookmark uppermost amongst the results from my bookmarks. My bookmark (December 2008) was made months after other users' bookmarks.
> bookmark will not show up in the "My Bookmarks" hit list
This symptom may present if the bookmark is recent, see nearby http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/9723
> Oh dear, now lets not be rash :-) and jump back to Delicious. I may be just
> speaking as an advocate here, but I think Diigo far exceeds Delicious, even
> with the occasional bumps in the development path.
I can sense that "Diigo far exceeds Delicious", you're right, but then again:
if a Volkswagen Beetle serves my needs, why should I get a Ferrari ?
> The developers do monitor this forum and I occasionally have their audience,
> so I am sure this will get worked out.
Good to know this. Flicking through other threads, I could see they were
overseeing the hustle-bustle down here.
> I am backtracking a bit about my prior point. I wander if your original
> search query of "Diigo" REALLY DID find your bookmark, but it was buried deep
> in the "Everyone's Bookmarks" and was ommited from the "My Bookmarks"
> listing. This would be the same problem I had with my second point. Since a
> search of "Diigo" on the community website gives over 8000 hits, it would be
> little wonder why you may not have seen it.
>
> What do you think?
It makes perfect sense to me if we stick to your sound reasoning. I flicked
through some 300 hits but didn't get to my bookmark. It should be buried deep
as you said.
Let's see what the diigo people have to say about this !
Once again I send you my heartfelt thanks !
Paulo
> http://www.diigo.com/search/fulltext?what=Minds%20on%20Fire *does* place the
> required bookmark uppermost amongst the results from my bookmarks. My
> bookmark (December 2008) was made months after other users' bookmarks.
This contradicts what we observed with my bookmark search. I'm puzzled. I must
be missing something. But it will be easy to dispell the doubt: to do it again:
1. Spot a heavily bookmarked link
2. Bookmark it, changing its title
3. Search on any keyword from the changed title
>> bookmark will not show up in the "My Bookmarks" hit list
>
> This symptom may present if the bookmark is recent, see nearby href="http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/9723" rel="nofollow"
> target="_blank">http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/9723
I had read this thread. But I bookmarked that URL on Jan 15th, 3 days ago, a
longer time frame than the one in that thread.
Thanks for your remarks !
Paulo