search on keyword doesn't find bookmark - 85 views
started by Paulo Marcel Coelho Aragão on 18 Jan 09
5 follow-ups, last by Graham Perrin on 27 Jul 10
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Paulo Marcel Coelho Aragão
http://about.me/marcelpaulo
I created this bookmark on Jan 15th:
Title: Diigo Customize Search
URL: http://www.diigo.com/customize_search
On http://www.diigo.com/user/marcelpaulo, I write on the search box:
diigo
and that bookmark is not found within my bookmarks. I tried searching for other bookmarks: some are found and some aren't, I couldn't understand what made some searches work and others not.
Would somebody know what I'm doing wrong here ?
Thanks
Paulo
Hey, thanks for the speed-lightning reply !
> Are the searches that fail for you the ones that involve a search for a tag?
No. I wanted to search on bookmark title or URL, so I typed «diigo» in the box on the upper-right corner of the "My Bookmarks" page.
I read that diigo did a full-text search on bookmark title, URL and annotations. I always try to change the bookmark title to something I can search on later; I only use tags when the title alone is not significant enough to be searched on.
I saved the browser window before and after the search, it should show clearly what I tried to do, but I don't know if and how I could paste the jpg files here.
Once again, thanks for your speedy attention and interest !
Paulo
> I believe you uncovered a nice little bug. I may be a cyber geek, but its so
> much fun when I find a bug.
I accidentally "treaded" on it. Your job was harder and more creative: you
pierced a pin through it and gave it a name !
> So after doing a little cyber sleuthing, I discovered that the bookmark in
> question URL: http://www.diigo.com/customize_search shows up elsewhere in
> the Diigo world. You must of stumbled upon this somewhere, liked what you saw
> and saved it to your own bookmarks. I know this, because you are included in
> the list of people who have saved the bookmark. The original title of the
> bookmark was "Customize Search" and had some tags associated with it.
That's exactly what I did !
> You saved the bookmark and added the word "Diigo" to the front. Now you will
> notice that your search keyword was Diigo, the word you added. I am betting
> that if you perform the same search using a keyword found in the original,
> i.e. "Customize" your mystery bookmark will show up.
It would make sense, yes, but the mystery persisted: neither "customize" nor
"search" can uncover the bookmark ! But this doesn't seem to make sense anymore.
> I am guessing that bookmarks are inserted and accessed by their URL, with a
> list of Diigo accounts that own such the bookmark. Diigo searches (since it
> does a personal AND a Diigo community search) probably performs a shallow
> search and does not log the variations of all of the saved bookmarks. In this
> case, according to Diigo the Title is "Customize Search" NOT "Diigo Customize
> Search".
I see your point. But I would have imagined and expected that the search would
be done ALSO on the URL. If this were the case, either "diigo", "customize" or
"search" would have found the bookmark.
> This doesn't help you, but the Diigo developers should be aware. Makes me
> wonder what happens if the very first person who created that bookmark,
> decides to go and delete it from their personal bookmarks. Does Diigo lose
> all associations to that URL thus lost forever or retain the original
> information that was stored with it?
I'm also wondering: if the 1st person who bookmarked the page changed its
title, quite likely that would be the title used thereafter for searching.
Hey, thanks for taking the time to analyze this !
Paulo
(First of all, apologies for mixing up your name when I replied to your 1st
post)
> OK, got another beef with this search business and its related to the above
> bug. If you create a bookmark, but are not the first person in the Diigo
> community to do so, then when you perform a search, the bookmark will not
> show up in the "My Bookmarks" hit list, but will show up in the "Everyone's
> Bookmarks" hit list. I am more interested in mine first, as these are more
> relevant and then everyone else's if I want to expand my search. This is a
> fundamental break down in the search process and what people most want to
> see.
Hadn't thought of that but you are right. It looks like you've uncovered quite
a few inconsistencies with the search mechanism. Do the Diigo developers
monitor this forum or should we open a bug report somewhere ?
Bookmarking and finding what you bookmarked is the least one can expect from a
service such as diigo or delicious. Unless one uses heavily diigo's
collaborative features, this is enough to justify reverting to delicious, which
I might actually do, even though their web interface is much worse than
diigo's.
Once again, sincere thanks for taking the time on this !
Paulo
> Oh dear, now lets not be rash :-) and jump back to Delicious. I may be just
> speaking as an advocate here, but I think Diigo far exceeds Delicious, even
> with the occasional bumps in the development path.
I can sense that "Diigo far exceeds Delicious", you're right, but then again:
if a Volkswagen Beetle serves my needs, why should I get a Ferrari ?
> The developers do monitor this forum and I occasionally have their audience,
> so I am sure this will get worked out.
Good to know this. Flicking through other threads, I could see they were
overseeing the hustle-bustle down here.
> I am backtracking a bit about my prior point. I wander if your original
> search query of "Diigo" REALLY DID find your bookmark, but it was buried deep
> in the "Everyone's Bookmarks" and was ommited from the "My Bookmarks"
> listing. This would be the same problem I had with my second point. Since a
> search of "Diigo" on the community website gives over 8000 hits, it would be
> little wonder why you may not have seen it.
>
> What do you think?
It makes perfect sense to me if we stick to your sound reasoning. I flicked
through some 300 hits but didn't get to my bookmark. It should be buried deep
as you said.
Let's see what the diigo people have to say about this !
Once again I send you my heartfelt thanks !
Paulo
> http://www.diigo.com/search/fulltext?what=Minds%20on%20Fire *does* place the
> required bookmark uppermost amongst the results from my bookmarks. My
> bookmark (December 2008) was made months after other users' bookmarks.
This contradicts what we observed with my bookmark search. I'm puzzled. I must
be missing something. But it will be easy to dispell the doubt: to do it again:
1. Spot a heavily bookmarked link
2. Bookmark it, changing its title
3. Search on any keyword from the changed title
>> bookmark will not show up in the "My Bookmarks" hit list
>
> This symptom may present if the bookmark is recent, see nearby href="http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/9723" rel="nofollow"
> target="_blank">http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/9723
I had read this thread. But I bookmarked that URL on Jan 15th, 3 days ago, a
longer time frame than the one in that thread.
Thanks for your remarks !
Paulo