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How does caching work? - 344 views

cache help thanks thank you

started by mavoris smith on 20 Feb 09
  • Al Dente
     
    Hi Joel / Diigo,

    It's great to know that you're working hard on improved caching abilities - the service seems to have immense potential. Could you let us know more about how caching will work after the upgrade?

    - Will we be able to export cached pages? - I've seen requests in the forums (e.g., http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/1981) but no answers. It's absolutely important to give users control over their data, to back up and manipulate as desired.
    - Will users be notified if caching is unsuccessful? - It's not fun to find data missing when you most need it.
    - Will the page be cached instantaneously upon bookmarking? - This matters when pages change frequently or become unavailable.
    - Will Diigo be able to save multiple snapshots of a single URL, for example, if Alice and then Bob annotate a URL but the page has changed in the interim?
    - What will be the delay, roughly, between bookmarking a page and its inclusion in full-text search results?
    - Given the upcoming ability to upload a page from the toolbar (thanks!), will we be able to cache https or password-protected pages? - This would be useful for saving journal or subscription articles. Perhaps you could disable sharing for legal reasons, if necessary.
    - Will cached pages include embedded images? - Some articles make *much* more sense when diagrams and illustrations are included. (Joel wrote in another thread, "Non web page bookmarks are not cached, such as PDF , JPG, Mp3" - but what happens when .jpg's are part of a bookmarked html page?)

    Of course, for leisurely web browsing, the above points are relatively unimportant - but for research purposes, some users may find them highly relevant. Shedding some light on the road ahead will help forward-looking users develop sensible individual strategies for managing and archiving information.


    Joel Liu wrote:
    > this feature doesn't work for your recent bookmarks, because we are upgrading our system to support more archive options.
  • James Hess
     
    This is really bothersome!
    The whole point of existence of Furl is you can save your pages, and the save is supposed to be instant.

    Now my "furl it!" bookmarklet no longer works and says
    "Furl is being absorbed by Diigo and will be phased out. As a result, you can no longer save bookmarks to Furl. "

    But I go to diigo and find the 'save' feature doesn't work worth a crap.

    Needless to say, taking down a service that was working perfectly and replacing it with something that doesn't work isn't cool at all.
  • Graham Perrin
     
    Furl was far from perfect for me (personally), but bashing either of the free services won't get us anywhere :)

    For as long as (remote) Diigo caching service is disabled, there are a variety of (local) workarounds.

    Workarounds vary, according to the user's choice of operating system and browser; if you'd like advice please post a new topic with relevant details.

    Kind regards
    Graham
  • James Hess
     
    I don't mean to bash anyone as much as they might deserve it. Before and after Looksmart acquired Furl, it was always first and foremost a web clipping service and way to save pages for later use, not just much a way to keep bookmarks.

    There are zillions of bookmarking services del.iciou, and all, and bookmarks are very easy to share (post bookmarks.html on the web).

    So I see it apparent that while 'clipping' seems to work; Diigo is not really usable with caching not working.
    It's a real disappointment; especially since I had so much cached stuff in furl that I probably have no way of getting to and exporting.

    I'm looking for an alternative service that provides the caching features and does a good job...

    I'm open to both for-free and pay services that can save and serve up saved versions of old web pages.
    Without suffering the problems of archive.org (one robots.txt entry or request from a webmaster destroys the archives).

    Just having a horrible time finding anything that works as well as Furl did for this.
  • Al Dente
     
    For those mainly interested in caching, check out iterasi (www.iterasi.net). It has some interesting features, such as automated, scheduled page caching, and the ability to cache pages that require login.

    Disadvantages include a smaller community than Diigo, and no way to highlight or export cached pages.


    David Corking wrote:
    > > I'm looking for an alternative service that provides the caching features and does a good job...
    >
    > On the Export cache thread, slinkygn (another Furl user) mentioned a service called Evernote. I don't know it myself.
  • Graham Perrin
     
    Evernote and iterasi bookmarked and discussed in the Web2.0 group on Diigo:

    http://groups.diigo.com/Web2/bookmark/tag/Evernote
    http://groups.diigo.com/Web2/bookmark/tag/iterasi

    Regards
    Graham
  • Joel Liu
     
    Don't worry about your furl cache pages. We kept caches files for those who transferred bookmarks from furl to diigo and will dispatch them to your account after we release the new diigo version.
  • Cloud Rains
     
    Graham Perrin wrote:
    > For as long as (remote) Diigo caching service is disabled, there are a variety of (local) workarounds.
    > Kind regards
    > Graham

    Sorry if there is another thread somewhere else that already answers this - this one was the first search hit I got when searching Diigo groups for 'cache'.

    From what I can tell, looking at the bookmarks I have added over the last week or so, none of them have been cached, so I assume caching still doesn't work. Are there any plans to reenable it, and if so do you have any idea when this is likely to be?
  • Graham Perrin
     
    Cloud Rains wrote:

    > From what I can tell, looking at the bookmarks I have added over
    > the last week or so, none of them have been cached, so I assume
    > caching still doesn't work.

    For some bookmarks: caching occurs quickly. Today's example is added to http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/42959#8

    I don't know what criteria (if any) affect the time frame within which caching occurs.
  • Cloud Rains
     
    Thanks for the quick answer, Graham!

    Looking at all my bookmarks, they've all been cached now, I should have waited a couple more hours :-)
  • Graham Perrin
     
    Thanks for the positive feedback :-)

    @ Al Dente
    @ David Corking
    @ howard terry
    @ James Hess
    @ John L. Knight
    @ mavoris smith

    Are your Diigo cached copies OK?

    (Furl caches are a separate issue.)
  • mavoris smith
     
    Graham,

    I received email about this topic being updated. To answer your inquiry, the page that I initially used to try Diigo out back in early February (discussed at the start of this topic) has now been cached. Other than being able to tell you it happened sometime after about a month past my initial posting and now, I have no idea when precisely it occurred. Other than that, I have no idea of the current state of Diigo caching because I don't use Diigo any longer. Hope this helps you.

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