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  #1 Hilary Reynolds on 09 May 07

   

  Chatting to a colleague who I recently introduced to Diigo, we thought it would be incredible if groups could do threaded annotations in pretty much the same way as one might do on a forum. So rather than each member of the group post their own sticky notes which could make things rather chaotic, group members would see an "Add thread" command when they were looking at other members annotations and be able to respond directly to the annotation as a thread and so on and so forth.

   

  <div class="cArrow"> </div><div class="cContentInner">Chatting to a colleague who I recently introduced to Diigo, we thought it would be incredible if groups could do threaded annotations in pretty much the same way as one might do on a forum. So rather than each member of the group post their own sticky notes which could make things rather chaotic, group members would see an "Add thread" command when they were looking at other members annotations and be able to respond directly to the annotation as a thread and so on and so forth.</div>

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  #2 Maggie Tsai on 11 May 07

   

  Of course, you can. That's the whole purpose of in-situ "social annotation"
  
  Just "add comment" to follow on a sticky note conversation. Please give that a try and let us know if you have any question.

   

  <div class="cArrow"> </div><div class="cContentInner">Of course, you can. That's the whole purpose of in-situ "social annotation" <br /> <br /> Just "add comment" to follow on a sticky note conversation. Please give that a try and let us know if you have any question.</div>

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  #3 Hilary Reynolds on 14 May 07

   

  Maggie,
  
  I see I can add a comment to an existing note. but I was thinking more of the threads, than the ability to add to a comment, though I see that did not come out in my post., so in the comments we would see something like :
  
  maggie_diigo said ...(on 05-11-2007 replied to loyola on #1)
  
  )))

   

  <div class="cArrow"> </div><div class="cContentInner">Maggie, <br /> <br /> I see I can add a comment to an existing note. but I was thinking more of the threads, than the ability to add to a comment, though I see that did not come out in my post., so in the comments we would see something like : <br /> <br /> maggie_diigo said ...(on 05-11-2007 replied to loyola on #1) <br /> <br /> )))</div>

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  #4 Maggie Tsai on 14 May 07

   

  I see.
  
  Interesting that you point this out - wonder how important is that additional "userxxx said ...(on 05-11-2007 replied to useryyyy on #1)"? We'd like to hear other people's opinion on this, because this is related to another new feature design that we're working on.
  
  1) Do people realize that you can reply to a specific post within a thread, or do people just default to use the last comment in a thread to "reply"?
  
  2) For readers reading a forum discussion thread, do they really pay attention to the # on a thread, and actively trying to follow which comment is replied to which comment, or they just read through the thread sequentially?
  
  Love to hear everyone's thought on this. Thanks

   

  <div class="cArrow"> </div><div class="cContentInner">I see. <br /> <br /> Interesting that you point this out - wonder how important is that additional "userxxx said ...(on 05-11-2007 replied to useryyyy on #1)"? We'd like to hear other people's opinion on this, because this is related to another new feature design that we're working on. <br /> <br /> 1) Do people realize that you can reply to a specific post within a thread, or do people just default to use the last comment in a thread to "reply"? <br /> <br /> 2) For readers reading a forum discussion thread, do they really pay attention to the # on a thread, and actively trying to follow which comment is replied to which comment, or they just read through the thread sequentially? <br /> <br /> Love to hear everyone's thought on this. Thanks</div>

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  #5 Oliver S. on 14 May 07

   

  maggie_diigo wrote:
  > I see. >Interesting that you point this out - wonder how important is that additional "userxxx said ...(on 05-11-2007 replied to useryyyy on #1)"?
  
  I think it would be useful in complex threads. But such threads don't occur very often IMO.
  
  >1) Do people realize that you can reply to a specific post within a thread, or do people just default to use the last comment in a thread to "reply"?
  
  I do realize this.
  
  >2) For readers reading a forum discussion thread, do they really pay attention to the # on a thread, and actively trying to follow which comment is replied to which comment, or they just read through the thread sequentially?
  
  This depends on the kind of display. If the comments/replies are indented/organized in the way they are in most newsreaders, then it is easy to pay attention to which comment followed which comment. However, if the comments/replies all look the same and the information about which comment refers to another comment can only be found in the header, then most people including myself read through the thread sequentially.

   

  <div class="cArrow"> </div><div class="cContentInner">maggie_diigo wrote:<br /> > I see. >Interesting that you point this out - wonder how important is that additional "userxxx said ...(on 05-11-2007 replied to useryyyy on #1)"?<br /><br />I think it would be useful in complex threads. But such threads don't occur very often IMO.<br /><br />>1) Do people realize that you can reply to a specific post within a thread, or do people just default to use the last comment in a thread to "reply"?<br /><br />I do realize this.<br /><br />>2) For readers reading a forum discussion thread, do they really pay attention to the # on a thread, and actively trying to follow which comment is replied to which comment, or they just read through the thread sequentially? <br /><br />This depends on the kind of display. If the comments/replies are indented/organized in the way they are in most newsreaders, then it is easy to pay attention to which comment followed which comment. However, if the comments/replies all look the same and the information about which comment refers to another comment can only be found in the header, then most people including myself read through the thread sequentially.</div>

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  #6 iplnts on 14 May 07

   

  Hi!
  
  As i could understand from the sequential reading of THIS forum threads and as i looked after the things; we could speaking of two or three things ( and much else) having been overlapped.
  
  1. A group member can add 'a comment' to an existing sticky in Browser View of an annotated page when he clicks on a link in the Group Bookmark view. That highlighted text is "blue' which marks it has a sticky. Hovering over the blue text the sticky appears and the user can choose an action to Add (a) Comment. The Comment would be Rich Text edited which is a very excellent mode to distinguish the added comment to a specific sticky.There would be made as many comments as many group members review this specific sticky and all can change the comment format in rich text editing mode. I think, there is no else neccessary information than provided by userxx made this comment under each of the comments. Owing to it is very well followable. At best the sticky editing box would be larger fitting for the actual window position. The reader can go through the highlights quickly by smooth scrolling the mouse, hovering over the blue ones and review both the stickies and their comments. I don't exactly understand what is the problem about it?
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  2. Second case when somebody oversees the bookmarked pages in MyBookmarks Expanded view where he can see also a sequentially listed order ( as it is in the text) of highlights and its stickies. This case of view regarded only for the owner of the group bookmarks. The owner also can glance over every notes and he can initiate a new sticky notes from this view by 'Add a Sticky'
  
  There is an inconsistency here!!! Owing to the sticky posted by the owner from here is not a new sticky in fact. It will be displayed both in this view and also in Browser view as a comment. From this view the owner can not choose rich text editing which is a mistake, i think.
  + An additional suggestion due to the clear-cutting would be here in this view making the sequentally listed highlights to be collapsible/expandable ( as also it is in the GoogleNotebook)
  + the shadow color of highlights boxes would be consistent with the highlighting colors ( yellowish which has no sticky, bluish has sticky...)
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  3. Regards to the forum post. The present forum threading allows anybody to reply to any specific #n comment under a topic. Nevertheless any reply will attached to the bottom of the forum thread where the header userxx said (on date replied to useryyyy on #n)" marks which comment or reply regards to which.
  It may be perhaps troublesome that someone must read through the whole of contents of a topic to understand the last comment. May be best thing inserting the reply to the bottom of content which to it regards to. I don't know whether would it be possible or not.
  
  Please, i looked through this topics comments and i tried to give you an opinion as you asked. I hope it could give some summary and some another ideas of improving...
  
  
  
  
  maggie_diigo wrote:
  > I see.
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  > Interesting that you point this out - wonder how important is that additional "userxxx said ...(on 05-11-2007 replied to useryyyy on #1)"? We'd like to hear other people's opinion on this, because this is related to another new feature design that we're working on.
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  > 1) Do people realize that you can reply to a specific post within a thread, or do people just default to use the last comment in a thread to "reply"?
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  > 2) For readers reading a forum discussion thread, do they really pay attention to the # on a thread, and actively trying to follow which comment is replied to which comment, or they just read through the thread sequentially?
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  > Love to hear everyone's thought on this. Thanks

   

  <div class="cArrow"> </div><div class="cContentInner">Hi! <br /> <br /> As i could understand from the sequential reading of THIS forum threads and as i looked after the things; we could speaking of two or three things ( and much else) having been overlapped. <br /> <br /> 1. A group member can add 'a comment' to an existing sticky in Browser View of an annotated page when he clicks on a link in the Group Bookmark view. That highlighted text is "blue' which marks it has a sticky. Hovering over the blue text the sticky appears and the user can choose an action to Add (a) Comment. The Comment would be Rich Text edited which is a very excellent mode to distinguish the added comment to a specific sticky.There would be made as many comments as many group members review this specific sticky and all can change the comment format in rich text editing mode. I think, there is no else neccessary information than provided by userxx made this comment under each of the comments. Owing to it is very well followable. At best the sticky editing box would be larger fitting for the actual window position. The reader can go through the highlights quickly by smooth scrolling the mouse, hovering over the blue ones and review both the stickies and their comments. I don't exactly understand what is the problem about it? <br /> --------------------------------------------------------------- <br /> 2. Second case when somebody oversees the bookmarked pages in MyBookmarks Expanded view where he can see also a sequentially listed order ( as it is in the text) of highlights and its stickies. This case of view regarded only for the owner of the group bookmarks. The owner also can glance over every notes and he can initiate a new sticky notes from this view by 'Add a Sticky' <br /> <br /> There is an inconsistency here!!! Owing to the sticky posted by the owner from here is not a new sticky in fact. It will be displayed both in this view and also in Browser view as a comment. From this view the owner can not choose rich text editing which is a mistake, i think. <br /> + An additional suggestion due to the clear-cutting would be here in this view making the sequentally listed highlights to be collapsible/expandable ( as also it is in the GoogleNotebook) <br /> + the shadow color of highlights boxes would be consistent with the highlighting colors ( yellowish which has no sticky, bluish has sticky...) <br /> --------------------------------------------------------------- <br /> 3. Regards to the forum post. The present forum threading allows anybody to reply to any specific #n comment under a topic. Nevertheless any reply will attached to the bottom of the forum thread where the header userxx said (on date replied to useryyyy on #n)" marks which comment or reply regards to which. <br /> It may be perhaps troublesome that someone must read through the whole of contents of a topic to understand the last comment. May be best thing inserting the reply to the bottom of content which to it regards to. I don't know whether would it be possible or not. <br /> <br /> Please, i looked through this topics comments and i tried to give you an opinion as you asked. I hope it could give some summary and some another ideas of improving... <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> maggie_diigo wrote: <br /> > I see. <br /> > <br /> > Interesting that you point this out - wonder how important is that additional "userxxx said ...(on 05-11-2007 replied to useryyyy on #1)"? We'd like to hear other people's opinion on this, because this is related to another new feature design that we're working on. <br /> > <br /> > 1) Do people realize that you can reply to a specific post within a thread, or do people just default to use the last comment in a thread to "reply"? <br /> > <br /> > 2) For readers reading a forum discussion thread, do they really pay attention to the # on a thread, and actively trying to follow which comment is replied to which comment, or they just read through the thread sequentially? <br /> > <br /> > Love to hear everyone's thought on this. Thanks</div>

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  #7 Hilary Reynolds on 16 May 07

   

  Maggie,
  
  Let me provide you with some context. I am doing a Master's degree in Computer Based/Online education and a major thrust of ours is the social nature of learning. What Diigo enables for learners is the discussion (in-situ) of a web site or online journal article. These discussions could become quite involved, hence the need for threaded discussion. Personally, I would prefer to see a more conventional type of threading such as:
  
  Post 1
  Reply 1A
  Reply 1Aa
  Reply 1B
  Post 2
  Reply 2A
  Reply 2B
  
  But I think that the way of doing it in this forum might be easier to implement, which is why I specifically suggested that, but in long threads, the history is more difficult to follow.
  
  maggie_diigo wrote:
  > I see.
  >
  > Interesting that you point this out - wonder how important is that additional "userxxx said ...(on 05-11-2007 replied to useryyyy on #1)"? We'd like to hear other people's opinion on this, because this is related to another new feature design that we're working on.
  >
  > 1) Do people realize that you can reply to a specific post within a thread, or do people just default to use the last comment in a thread to "reply"?
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  > 2) For readers reading a forum discussion thread, do they really pay attention to the # on a thread, and actively trying to follow which comment is replied to which comment, or they just read through the thread sequentially?
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  > Love to hear everyone's thought on this. Thanks

   

  <div class="cArrow"> </div><div class="cContentInner">Maggie, <br /> <br /> Let me provide you with some context. I am doing a Master's degree in Computer Based/Online education and a major thrust of ours is the social nature of learning. What Diigo enables for learners is the discussion (in-situ) of a web site or online journal article. These discussions could become quite involved, hence the need for threaded discussion. Personally, I would prefer to see a more conventional type of threading such as: <br /> <br /> Post 1 <br /> Reply 1A <br /> Reply 1Aa <br /> Reply 1B <br /> Post 2 <br /> Reply 2A <br /> Reply 2B <br /> <br /> But I think that the way of doing it in this forum might be easier to implement, which is why I specifically suggested that, but in long threads, the history is more difficult to follow. <br /> <br /> maggie_diigo wrote: <br /> > I see. <br /> > <br /> > Interesting that you point this out - wonder how important is that additional "userxxx said ...(on 05-11-2007 replied to useryyyy on #1)"? We'd like to hear other people's opinion on this, because this is related to another new feature design that we're working on. <br /> > <br /> > 1) Do people realize that you can reply to a specific post within a thread, or do people just default to use the last comment in a thread to "reply"? <br /> > <br /> > 2) For readers reading a forum discussion thread, do they really pay attention to the # on a thread, and actively trying to follow which comment is replied to which comment, or they just read through the thread sequentially? <br /> > <br /> > Love to hear everyone's thought on this. Thanks</div>

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  #8 iplnts on 16 May 07

   

  Hi loyola!
  
  I might be a little perplexed your thoughts about what you whished to say originally in your #1 post with my earlier #6 post. Although, i only whished to clear the differences owing to you spoke of the 'threaded annotation' originally in your # 1.
  
  I understand your problem, and as this post start to become very long this is a very good example for how much difficult to overview and handle the 'comment threads'. I absolutely agree in that with you, it would be (perhaps) minimally good to logically insert the responses under that comment to which the replies refer to.
  (I can only guess how would it be simple solved, for example manually drag them by the reviewer which is a bit miserable, but it could work, i think! )
  Or i can offer here to your attention there is yet a hiperlink #n which is already allowed to jump to the appropriate comment as permalink, (as i can see, and using, but it is in fact not same you would like to see.)
  
  There may be else improvements making the threads to be better followable not seen here, but much rather at the normal Forum View window improving the fields of forum header. Which i suggested in my more posts.
  
  Look at them under the links as follows.
  
  improve the Diigo Group Forum with a ranking system
  http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/410
  
  Sorting/filtering the forum by author and/or author's last post
  http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/411
  
  How to close a solved post?
  http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/414
  
  + as one can see also who read this ...
  How nice would be also a little improving with rich text editing feature this view!!!!
  
  see also at my post:
  Allowing minimal html in the forum text
  http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/412
  
  Thanks for anyone's listening to my comments!
  
  
  
  
  

   

  <div class="cArrow"> </div><div class="cContentInner">Hi loyola!<br /><br />I might be a little perplexed your thoughts about what you whished to say originally in your #1 post with my earlier #6 post. Although, i only whished to clear the differences owing to you spoke of the 'threaded annotation' originally in your # 1. <br /><br />I understand your problem, and as this post start to become very long this is a very good example for how much difficult to overview and handle the 'comment threads'. I absolutely agree in that with you, it would be (perhaps) minimally good to logically insert the responses under that comment to which the replies refer to. <br />(I can only guess how would it be simple solved, for example manually drag them by the reviewer which is a bit miserable, but it could work, i think! )<br />Or i can offer here to your attention there is yet a hiperlink #n which is already allowed to jump to the appropriate comment as permalink, (as i can see, and using, but it is in fact not same you would like to see.)<br /><br />There may be else improvements making the threads to be better followable not seen here, but much rather at the normal Forum View window improving the fields of forum header. Which i suggested in my more posts.<br /><br />Look at them under the links as follows.<br /><br />improve the Diigo Group Forum with a ranking system<br /><a href="http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/410" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/410</a><br /><br />Sorting/filtering the forum by author and/or author's last post<br /><a href="http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/411" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/411</a><br /><br />How to close a solved post?<br /><a href="http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/414" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/414</a><br /><br />+ as one can see also who read this ...<br />How nice would be also a little improving with rich text editing feature this view!!!!<br /><br />see also at my post: <br />Allowing minimal html in the forum text <br /><a href="http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/412" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/412</a><br /><br />Thanks for anyone's listening to my comments!<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /></div>

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  #9 Graham Perrin on 05 Dec 08

   

  Maggie wrote, at comment #2:
  
  > … the whole purpose of in-situ "social annotation"
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  > Just "add comment" to follow on a sticky note conversation. Please
  > give that a try and let us know if you have any question.
  
  Hilary wrote, at comment #7:
  
  > Thanks for anyone's listening to my comments!
  
  Extending this 2007 conversation, reflecting on the current presentation of e-mail notifications:
  
  a) when checking for new mail, I always defer downloading of images
  
  b) I often read messages whilst on the bus
  
  c) the resulting question marks (absences of the images for speech bubbles etc.) or missing pieces of the jigsaw, or whatever you may call them, are
  
  * detraction (only slight) from the reading process.
  
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  With that in mind:
  
  1) I read this topic alongside the http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/5766#24 reference to
  
  > reading list offline
  
  2) on one hand: under this topic, where I ponder the value of icons, I might prefer text/plain for e-mail notifications
  
  3) on the other hands http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/412 and http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/8503 I wish for WYSIWYG, which usually means text/html
  
  4) on my fourth hand http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/8558 I was experimenting with annotation of Diigo Group fora/topics, but I'm doing less of that at the moment (reasons for which, I'll add to that topic).
  
  Too many hands. Ouch.

   

  <div class="cArrow"> </div><div class="cContentInner">Maggie wrote, at comment #2: <br /> <br /> > … the whole purpose of in-situ "social annotation" <br /> > <br /> > Just "add comment" to follow on a sticky note conversation. Please <br /> > give that a try and let us know if you have any question. <br /> <br /> Hilary wrote, at comment #7: <br /> <br /> > Thanks for anyone's listening to my comments! <br /> <br /> Extending this 2007 conversation, reflecting on the current presentation of e-mail notifications: <br /> <br /> a) when checking for new mail, I always defer downloading of images <br /> <br /> b) I often read messages whilst on the bus <br /> <br /> c) the resulting question marks (absences of the images for speech bubbles etc.) or missing pieces of the jigsaw, or whatever you may call them, are <br /> <br /> * detraction (only slight) from the reading process. <br /> <br /> ---- <br /> <br /> With that in mind: <br /> <br /> 1) I read this topic alongside the <a href="http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/5766#24" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/5766#24</a> reference to <br /> <br /> > reading list offline <br /> <br /> 2) on one hand: under this topic, where I ponder the value of icons, I might prefer text/plain for e-mail notifications <br /> <br /> 3) on the other hands <a href="http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/412" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/412</a> and <a href="http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/8503" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/8503</a> I wish for WYSIWYG, which usually means text/html <br /> <br /> 4) on my fourth hand <a href="http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/8558" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/8558</a> I was experimenting with annotation of Diigo Group fora/topics, but I'm doing less of that at the moment (reasons for which, I'll add to that topic). <br /> <br /> Too many hands. Ouch.</div>

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