Bookmarks not saved by the system - 99 views

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  #1 Dr. Fridemar Pache on 18 May 07

   

  Bug Report:
  
  Dear Maggie, I tagged one of my last bookmarks with diigoforum.
  
  But, when searching for this bookmark, I got an error message, that this bookmark doesn't exist.
  
  MayAllBeHappy
  Fridemar

   

  <div class="cArrow"> </div><div class="cContentInner">Bug Report: <br /> <br /> Dear Maggie, I tagged one of my last bookmarks with <b>diigoforum</b>. <br /> <br /> But, when searching for this bookmark, I got an error message, that this bookmark doesn't exist. <br /> <br /> MayAllBeHappy <br /> Fridemar</div>

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  #2 Maggie Tsai on 18 May 07

   

  Hi Fridemar,
  
  Not a bug. Each group admin sets his / her own group rules. This Diigo User Group is actively managed - non-Diigo stuff is deleted. Mixing other things make finding Diigo relevant things more difficult for our users.
  
  For those with specific interest, please open up other public group(s) to share. We will also soon enable more meaningful ways to identify users with like-minded interest.
  
  cheers

   

  <div class="cArrow"> </div><div class="cContentInner">Hi Fridemar, <br /> <br /> Not a bug. Each group admin sets his / her own group rules. This Diigo User Group is actively managed - non-Diigo stuff is deleted. Mixing other things make finding Diigo relevant things more difficult for our users. <br /> <br /> For those with specific interest, please open up other public group(s) to share. We will also soon enable more meaningful ways to identify users with like-minded interest. <br /> <br /> cheers</div>

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  #3 Dr. Fridemar Pache on 18 May 07

   

  Hi, Maggie
  
  Suggestion:
  
  instead of deleting constructive annotations and bookmarks of Diigo peers, which don't
  fit the preferences of the group admin,
  
  what about forwarding them in the groupless category, preserving the tags?
  
  This builds trust and good feelings for the engaged DiiGo peers, because nobody is happy, if
  their work is lost.
  
  MayAllBeHappy
  
  Fridemar
  PS.:
  Happily Diigo's simultaneous bookmarking elsewhere appears to be intact, such that trust is preserved.
  
  
  
  
  > Hi Fridemar,
  >
  > Not a bug. Each group admin sets his / her own group rules. This Diigo User Group is actively managed - non-Diigo stuff is deleted. Mixing other things make finding Diigo relevant things more difficult for our users.
  >
  > For those with specific interest, please open up other public group(s) to share. We will also soon enable more meaningful ways to identify users with like-minded interest.
  >
  > cheers

   

  <div class="cArrow"> </div><div class="cContentInner">Hi, Maggie <br /> <br /> Suggestion: <br /> <br /> instead of deleting constructive annotations and bookmarks of Diigo peers, which don't <br /> fit the preferences of the group admin, <br /> <br /> what about <b>forwarding them in the groupless category, preserving the tags</b>? <br /> <br /> This builds trust and good feelings for the engaged DiiGo peers, because nobody is happy, if <br /> their work is lost. <br /> <br /> MayAllBeHappy <br /> <br /> Fridemar <br /> PS.: <br /> Happily Diigo's <b>simultaneous bookmarking elsewhere</b> appears to be intact, such that trust is preserved. <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> > Hi Fridemar, <br /> > <br /> > Not a bug. Each group admin sets his / her own group rules. This Diigo User Group is actively managed - non-Diigo stuff is deleted. Mixing other things make finding Diigo relevant things more difficult for our users. <br /> > <br /> > For those with specific interest, please open up other public group(s) to share. We will also soon enable more meaningful ways to identify users with like-minded interest. <br /> > <br /> > cheers</div>

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  #4 Maggie Tsai on 18 May 07

   

  > instead of deleting constructive annotations and bookmarks of Diigo peers, which don't
  > fit the preferences of the group admin,
  >
  > what about forwarding them in the groupless category, preserving the tags?
  
  Groupless - without a destination - where to forward to? But this inspires some interesting idea - will brainstorm with our team, and also drop you a line to discuss more.
  
  >because nobody is happy, if their work is lost.
  
  Just because something is deleted from a particular group, your bookmark is still saved and untouched in your "My bookmarks" area. It's not lost by any mean :-)

   

  <div class="cArrow"> </div><div class="cContentInner">> instead of deleting constructive annotations and bookmarks of Diigo peers, which don't <br /> > fit the preferences of the group admin, <br /> > <br /> > what about <b>forwarding them in the groupless category, preserving the tags</b>? <br /> <br /> Groupless - without a destination - where to forward to? But this inspires some interesting idea - will brainstorm with our team, and also drop you a line to discuss more. <br /> <br /> >because nobody is happy, if their work is lost. <br /> <br /> Just because something is deleted from a particular group, your bookmark is still saved and untouched in your "My bookmarks" area. It's not lost by any mean :-)</div>

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  #5 Wade Ren on 18 May 07

   

  fridemar wrote:
  > Hi, Maggie
  >
  > Suggestion:
  >
  > instead of deleting constructive annotations and bookmarks of Diigo peers, which don't
  > fit the preferences of the group admin,
  >
  >
  
  the group creator/admin certainly has the right to decide what to do with the group he or she has created. People who have different ideas should set up their own groups.

   

  <div class="cArrow"> </div><div class="cContentInner">fridemar wrote: <br /> > Hi, Maggie <br /> > <br /> > Suggestion: <br /> > <br /> > instead of deleting constructive annotations and bookmarks of Diigo peers, which don't <br /> > fit the preferences of the group admin, <br /> > <br /> > <br /> <br /> the group creator/admin certainly has the right to decide what to do with the group he or she has created. People who have different ideas should set up their own groups.</div>

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  #6 Dr. Fridemar Pache on 19 May 07

   

  Thank you Maggie,
  
  feeling that you and your team is openminded lets me breathe a sigh of relief.
  "Groupless" could be a nourishing ground for the building of new groups
  
  Suggestion: The Redirect to "Groupless" mechanism, should have a recommendation field, where the admin has a chance to give a nice comment, stimulating something positive and constructive.
  
  MayAllBeHappy
  
  Fridemar
  
  maggie_diigo wrote:
  
  > > what about forwarding them in the groupless category, preserving the tags?
  >
  > Groupless - without a destination - where to forward to? But this inspires some interesting idea - will brainstorm with our team, and also drop you a line to discuss more.
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  > Just because something is deleted from a particular group, your bookmark is still saved and untouched in your "My bookmarks" area. It's not lost by any mean :-)
  
  thank you

   

  <div class="cArrow"> </div><div class="cContentInner">Thank you Maggie, <br /> <br /> feeling that you and your team is openminded lets me breathe a sigh of relief. <br /> "Groupless" could be a nourishing ground for the building of new groups <br /> <br /> Suggestion: The Redirect to "Groupless" mechanism, should have a recommendation field, where the admin has a chance to give a nice comment, stimulating something positive and constructive. <br /> <br /> MayAllBeHappy <br /> <br /> Fridemar <br /> <br /> maggie_diigo wrote: <br /> <br /> > > what about <b>forwarding them in the groupless category, preserving the tags</b>? <br /> > <br /> > Groupless - without a destination - where to forward to? But this inspires some interesting idea - will brainstorm with our team, and also drop you a line to discuss more. <br /> ... <br /> <br /> > Just because something is deleted from a particular group, your bookmark is still saved and untouched in your "My bookmarks" area. It's not lost by any mean :-) <br /> <br /> thank you</div>

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  #7 Dr. Fridemar Pache on 19 May 07

   

  Thank you wade,
  
  d'accord, agreed.
  
  Fridemar
  
  

   

  <div class="cArrow"> </div><div class="cContentInner">Thank you wade, <br /> <br /> d'accord, agreed. <br /> <br /> Fridemar <br /> <br /> </div>

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  #8 Dr. Fridemar Pache on 19 May 07

   

  Dear Maggie,
  
  I think, it might help to reduce anxiousness on losing bookmarks and annotations, if not addressing them on specific groups.
  
  Instead of this making them general and leaving a posting in the targeted groups:
  
  Example:
  
  Dear Diigos,
  
  this TrailFireTrail demonstrates, that the Diigo annotation system needs trails to connect different pages. It is very convenient for readers and writers as well.
  The author deliberately doesn't put this annotation in one of the Diigo groups, because it could be rejected by the group admin as "not on topic".
  Instead of this, he thinks it is more efficient to put a copy of this annotation in the appropriate group-forum.
  
  MayAllBeHappy
  Fridemar
  
  See the tags under TrailFire, from whom we can learn a lot.
  
  Suggestions:
  
  (1) Add trails to the diigo annotation system to make
  WebRingsOnTheFly.
  
  (2) Add at least the reduced wiki-mode of FireTrail to Diigo.
  
  (3) Get rid of the 5000 words barrier for clipping. (On TrailFire it is not a problem to make a html-snapshot of a whole wikipage. This is an excellent backup mechanism and doesn't harm the original life wiki page, that could have changed in the meantime. Of course you need the consense of all involved wiki-authors of the page. No problem for heavy duty authors, who initiate a lot of pages.)
  
  (4) Offer only rich-text input fields (in Wysywig and in HTML text-mode) as TrailFire does it.
  
  (5) Make sharing-in public the default. It's always a nuisance to lose time for rechecking for privacy-mode=public. We are primarily a social annotating community, aren't we.
  
  (6) Make a true RecentChanges (and not only a "hot topic RecentChanges", which looks like censorship) Most of the time I didn't see my contributions in the general RecentChanges.
  
  (7) Make the annotations UrlBased, just as TrailFire did.
  This way, annotations can talk to each other, by linking to their MarkUrls. And they show up in Google.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  fridemar wrote:
  > Thank you Maggie,
  >
  > feeling that you and your team is openminded lets me breathe a sigh of relief.
  > "Groupless" could be a nourishing ground for the building of new groups
  >
  > Suggestion: The Redirect to "Groupless" mechanism, should have a recommendation field, where the admin has a chance to give a nice comment, stimulating something positive and constructive.
  >
  > MayAllBeHappy
  >
  > Fridemar
  >
  > maggie_diigo wrote:
  >
  > > > what about forwarding them in the groupless category, preserving the tags?
  > >
  > > Groupless - without a destination - where to forward to? But this inspires some interesting idea - will brainstorm with our team, and also drop you a line to discuss more.
  > ...
  >
  > > Just because something is deleted from a particular group, your bookmark is still saved and untouched in your "My bookmarks" area. It's not lost by any mean :-)
  >
  > thank you

   

  <div class="cArrow"> </div><div class="cContentInner">Dear Maggie, <br /> <br /> I think, it might help to reduce anxiousness on losing bookmarks and annotations, if not addressing them on specific groups. <br /> <br /> Instead of this making them general and leaving a posting in the targeted groups: <br /> <br /> Example: <br /> <br /> Dear Diigos, <br /> <br /> this TrailFireTrail demonstrates, that the Diigo annotation system needs trails to connect different pages. It is very convenient for readers and writers as well. <br /> The author deliberately doesn't put this annotation in one of the Diigo groups, because it could be rejected by the group admin as "not on topic". <br /> Instead of this, he thinks it is more efficient to put a copy of this annotation in the appropriate group-forum. <br /> <br /> MayAllBeHappy <br /> Fridemar <br /> <br /> See the tags under TrailFire, from whom we can learn a lot. <br /> <br /> Suggestions: <br /> <br /> (1) Add trails to the diigo annotation system to make <br /> WebRingsOnTheFly. <br /> <br /> (2) Add at least the reduced wiki-mode of FireTrail to Diigo. <br /> <br /> (3) Get rid of the 5000 words barrier for clipping. (On TrailFire it is not a problem to make a html-snapshot of a whole wikipage. This is an excellent backup mechanism and doesn't harm the original life wiki page, that could have changed in the meantime. Of course you need the consense of all involved wiki-authors of the page. No problem for heavy duty authors, who initiate a lot of pages.) <br /> <br /> (4) Offer only rich-text input fields (in Wysywig and in HTML text-mode) as TrailFire does it. <br /> <br /> (5) Make sharing-in public the default. It's always a nuisance to lose time for rechecking for privacy-mode=public. We are primarily a social annotating community, aren't we. <br /> <br /> (6) Make a true RecentChanges (and not only a "hot topic RecentChanges", which looks like censorship) Most of the time I didn't see my contributions in the general RecentChanges. <br /> <br /> (7) Make the annotations UrlBased, just as TrailFire did. <br /> This way, annotations can talk to each other, by linking to their MarkUrls. And they show up in Google. <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> fridemar wrote: <br /> > Thank you Maggie, <br /> > <br /> > feeling that you and your team is openminded lets me breathe a sigh of relief. <br /> > "Groupless" could be a nourishing ground for the building of new groups <br /> > <br /> > Suggestion: The Redirect to "Groupless" mechanism, should have a recommendation field, where the admin has a chance to give a nice comment, stimulating something positive and constructive. <br /> > <br /> > MayAllBeHappy <br /> > <br /> > Fridemar <br /> > <br /> > maggie_diigo wrote: <br /> > <br /> > > > what about <b>forwarding them in the groupless category, preserving the tags</b>? <br /> > > <br /> > > Groupless - without a destination - where to forward to? But this inspires some interesting idea - will brainstorm with our team, and also drop you a line to discuss more. <br /> > ... <br /> > <br /> > > Just because something is deleted from a particular group, your bookmark is still saved and untouched in your "My bookmarks" area. It's not lost by any mean :-) <br /> > <br /> > thank you</div>

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