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Harold Brown ~ ARZone Chat Transcript of 16/17 October 2010 - Animal Rights Zone - 0 views

  • In my opinion there isn't a heck of a lot of difference between these "animal protection" organizations and the industry and its proxies. Another way to think of this situation is what we have seen in the environmental movement since the 1980's. What I have observed is that once any organization grows to a certain critical mass things change. There is always a disconnect from the grassroots and survival of the corporate entity is job one. It was a back room trade off. An "I'll scratch your back, you scratch mine." The industry is changing of its own volition due to recent developments in animal husbandry and the re-engineering of the animals them selves. As far as I know these "animal protection" organizations have never put into print, spoke of or promoted animal rights. It is the media that has conflated these animal husbandry reform organizations with animal rights and many well meaning activists become confused and support them thinking that they are convertly animal rights organizations.
  • You talk about cattle and dairy culture being validated by TV advertisements; about a dominating culture of indoctrination; and how frightening social change can seem.
  • Where the animal movement has gone wrong for over 30 years is the story they shared. It is a message of suffering, cruelty and harm.
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  • what Will Tuttle calls radical inclusion. 
  • rom the other side of the fence and I knew that
  • Guilt and shame never changed anyone’s heart or mind.
  • They now have a new sow that gives birth to about 20 piglets and that her body size is such that the old crates are too small, that they literally won't fit into the old crates.
  • There is NO humane solution to dairy other than just making it stop
  • that most calves are sent to auction 24-72 hours after birth.
  • the coming convergence of global warming, peak oil, population growth, ecological disaster and other factors will force a remedy upon us. 
  • I am the eternal optimist and believe that people are capable of great things if given the opportunity. I have seen it time and again. It is about creating a safe place and a community where people can come and deconstruct their indoctrination.
  • I think it is important that although you may want to give up cheese it isn't all your fault that you can't, despite your will power.  there is a component in the protein of milk called casomorphine.  Yup, morphine.  You are addicted as are so many vegetarians that want to eat a plant based diet.  It is a tough addiction to break but to be informed  goes a long way.  One we understand that there isn't anything in any animal product that we need then it is recognized that it is only a want. Wants are easy to leave behind.
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Denuncian que Universidad del Mar usa perros de canil municipal de La Serena ... - 0 views

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    Me llama la atención que tanto el Sr. Moya como la Srta. Melissa expresen que en reunión sostenida en Mayo se haya llegado a algún acuerdo. Lo que se dijo en esa reunión fue que - lamentablemente - la Ley de Protección Animal permite la experimentación con animales a las Universidades, motivo por el cual nosotros no podríamos tomar medidas legales contra esa Casa de Estudios. Solicitamos que se generaran registros y además les dijimos que esperábamos que redujeran la cantidad de perros, ya que se estaban ocupando 6 semanales!!! Les dijimos además que la vivisección es un problema ético y que NO ESTABAMOS DE ACUERDO CON ESAS PRACTICAS, independiente de que la ley los amparara. Srta. Melissa, a usted le digo que, esto no es un ataque mediático. Nosotros pudimos hacer pública esta información (incluyendo videos) en Mayo y sin embargo esperamos pacientemente a reunir pruebas para tomar la VIA LEGAL. El que esto se haya transformado en un tema de debate es natural pero nunca fue nuestro objetivo. Además, le informo que Pro-Acción Animal ha rescatado cerca de 60 perros adultos del Canil Municipal y los ha entregado en adopción, más una cantidad de cerca de 100 cachorros que podrían haber muerto por contagio de parvovirus o distemper. ESO ES HACER ALGO AL RESPECTO. A nosotros no nos interesa meter bulla y nada más. Todo esto se realiza con recursos propios, nosotros no contamos con subvenciones municipales de ningún tipo, sino que se trabaja con las donaciones de personas sensibles al dolor animal. Si a su Institución Educacional le interesan tanto los animales, y la Municipalidad ha lanzado campañas para "aperrar con los perros" nosotros sugerimos que ABRAN UN CONSULTORIO donde los estudiantes traten a los animales guiados por profesionales idóneos. LA VIVISECCION ES INNECESARIA Y SI USTED PIENSA QUE ES UN MAL MENOR DEBERIA INFORMRSE COMO LO HACEN EN LOS PAISES DESARROLLADOS. Finalmente, dejo de manifiesto que el documento entregado en Contral
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Malcolm Gladwell and Online Animal Advocacy - 0 views

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    cy could become an "animal millionaire"-someone who has kept more than  a mill
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Subasta en el Zoológico de Mendoza - 0 views

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    luego del apareamiento la hembra se aleja del macho y vuelve a reunirse con él cuando la cría ya es adulta. Cuando eso no sucede, el macho mata a su hijo para seguir apareándose o la madre los abandona y entonces se mueren
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