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Google and competition: searching for a solution | Tom Watson | Comment is free | guard... - 1 views

  • Some time later this month we are expecting the European commission to decide how it will proceed with its investigation of the search giant Google, following the latter's submission of proposed remedies at the end of January over allegations that it has engaged in a range of anticompetitive practices.
  • Google is a global company and its activities will require a global solution.
  • Google's global revenues were £23.5bn in 2011. Those are its revenues before tax, although Google's approach to tax is another and equally interesting story. Those vast revenues do not come from those who search, but from those who bid to place advertisements alongside the search results. This means that Google has a clear interest to arrange the rankings in a way that maximises its profits and faces a stark conflict of interests when it does so. It has every incentive to demote other companies, who might actually be offering answers or services that are more relevant to the user queries, and to advance its own services.
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  • There is no reason why an appropriate remedy that introduces fair rankings should in any way impair the user experience.
  • that Google, with more than 90% of the search market in Europe, is overwhelmingly dominant.
  • Effective remedies will aim to protect competition for the future but need also to acknowledge the past. Google has continued to expand and exploit its position during the period of the investigation and it will be necessary to find a solution that tackles that past misbehaviour and reintroduces something approaching a level playing field.
Janja Petek

Unreported Side Effects of Drugs Are Found Using Internet Search Data, Study Finds - NY... - 0 views

  • Using data drawn from queries entered into Google, Microsoft and Yahoo search engines, scientists at Microsoft, Stanford and Columbia University have for the first time been able to detect evidence of unreported prescription drug side effects before they were found by the Food and Drug Administration’s warning system.
  • Using automated software tools to examine queries by six million Internet users taken from Web search logs in 2010, the researchers looked for searches relating to an antidepressant, paroxetine, and a cholesterol lowering drug, pravastatin.
  • The new study was undertaken after Dr. Altman wondered whether there was a more immediate and more accurate way to gain access to data similar to what the F.D.A. had access to.
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  • He turned to computer scientists at Microsoft, who created software for scanning anonymized data collected from a software toolbar installed in Web browsers by users who permitted their search histories to be collected.
  • The researchers said that they were now thinking about how to add new sources of information, like behavioral data and information from social media sources. The challenge, they noted, was to integrate new sources of data while protecting individual privacy.
Janja Petek

Upgrade or Die: Are Perfectionism and Inequality Linked? : The New Yorker - 0 views

  • The New Yorker Online Only « The Powerless Presidency Main When a Criminal Leads a Country » March 6, 2013 Upgrade or Die Posted by George Packer Every day, in every way, things are getting
  • better and better.
  • Google is developing Google Glass, which will allow users to text, take pictures and videos, perform Google searches, and execute other essential functions of contemporary life simply by issuing conversation-level spoken commands to a smart lens attached to a lightweight frame worn above the eyes.
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  • The good news: between 2005 and 2012, United Technologies saw its profits increase by thirty-five per cent. The bad news: between 2005 and 2012, United Technologies hired a net total of zero workers.
  • “Probably the most extreme form of inequality is between people who are alive and people who are dead.”
  • The strange thing is that technological romanticism doesn’t divide Americans. In an age when class and wealth determine everything from your food and beverage to your TV shows, news sources, mode of air travel, education, spouse, children’s prospects, longevity, and cause of death, it’s the one thing that still unites us.
  • the future, when the price drops below its current fifteen hundred dollars, the unemployed might wear Google Glass, too.
Katja Kotnik

Me and my data: how much do the internet giants really know? | Technology | The Guardian - 0 views

  • Google is not only the world's largest search engine, it's one of the top three email providers, a social network, and owner of the Blogger platform and the world's largest video site, YouTube. Facebook has the social contacts, messages, wallposts and photos of more than 750 million people.
  • The site also lists my most recent sent and received emails (in both cases a "no subject" conversation thread with a colleague).
  • The big relief comes when I note Google isn't tracking the internet searches I've made on my work account
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  • only around 29% of the information Facebook possesses on any given user is accessible through the site's tools.
  • The Facebook extended archive is a little creepier, including "poke info", each instance of tracking cookies they possess, previous names, and full login and logout info
  • Looking through anyone's list of searches gives a distressing degree of insight into odder parts of their personality.
  • how much do the internet giants really know?
  • sell us stuff
  • picked up by hackers
  • how much the internet giants know about us.
  • Google isn't totally unhelpfu
  • Every event to which I've ever been invited is neatly listed, alongside its location, time, and whether I said I would attend .
  • One piece of information – a supposed engagement to a schoolfriend, Amy Holmes – stands out. A Facebook "joke" that seemed faintly funny for about a week several years ago was undone by hiding it from any and all Facebook users, friends or otherwise (to avoid an "… is now single!" status update). The forgotten relationship helpfully explains why Facebook has served me up with badly targeted bridalwear adverts for several years, and reassures me that Facebook doesn't know quite everything.
  • This is the core of the main comfort
  • despite their mountain of data, Google and Facebook seem largely clueless, too – they've had no more luck making any sense out of it than I have. And that, for now, is a relief.
anonymous

YouTube Is Yoda, You Are Luke: How the Video Site Became Our Storehouse of Folk Knowled... - 1 views

  • Is Yoda, You Are Luke: How the Video Site Became Our Storehouse of Folk Knowledge
  • What makes it special is that YouTube taps people who want to show you what they know, not write about it. Learning from YouTube is more like a momentary apprenticeship than it is like book learning, and that's what makes it so great.
  • I started Googling.
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  • Somehow, then, perhaps Google surfaced the video through search, I found my way to YouTube
  • What I love about this kind of knowledge transfer is that it's so human. The video is shot from a first-person point-of-view, the narrator talks directly to you, and there are no cuts.
  • If you start to search around on YouTube for various household fix-ups, you find all kinds of people posting similar how-tos.
  • But mostly it's just helpful people who decided to record a video and post it to YouTube for some reason.
sintija

BBC News - Viewpoint: The universal web must be adaptive - 0 views

  • Access all areas
  • Along came search technologies
  • Viewpoint: The universal web must be adaptive
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  • Viewpoint: The universal web must be adaptive
  • Along came search technologies
  • Google
  • Google
  • ability to search content anywhere on the web
  • new web business.
  • spurred a new web business
  • Access all areas
  • internet went wireless
  • We need standards
  • mobile devices will outsell laptops
  • increasing the complexity of how content was served
  • Building websites for all the new browsers, screen sizes and device features is becoming difficult.
  • The future of the internet is creating highly adaptive experiences for users
  • Companies that don't figure out how to get their information to customers on any device will disappear.
  • one solution
  • such as HTML5, to make programming to any device use the same language, and software solutions to help companies simplify building websites and web apps to any device using any feature.
  • truly mobile internet future is now a reality
  • companies need to
  • focus
  • on their customer journeys, personalised experiences and developing rich content rather than on how to build websites - or they will disappear.
nikasvajncer

In Search Engine Results, a Peek at What We Wonder - NYTimes.com - 0 views

  • There are the questions you ask friends, family and close confidants. And then there are the questions you ask the Internet.
  • “Your search engine is your best friend, and you talk to it about everything, even things you might not talk about to your real best friends,”
Janja Petek

Forty years of the internet: how the world changed for ever | Technology | The Guardian - 1 views

  • In October 1969, a student typed 'LO' on a computer - and the internet was born
  • Towards the end of the summer of 1969
  • a large grey metal box was delivered to the office of Leonard Kleinrock, a professor at the University of California in Los Angeles.
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  • At 10.30pm, as Kleinrock's fellow professors and students crowded around, a computer was connected to the IMP, which made contact with a second IMP, attached to a second computer, several hundred miles away at the Stanford Research Institute, and an undergraduate named Charley Kline tapped out a message.
  • It's impossible to say for certain when the internet began, mainly because nobody can agree on what, precisely, the internet is.
  • It's interesting to compare how much has changed in computing and the internet since 1969 with, say, how much has changed in world politics.
  • On the other hand, the breakthrough accomplished that night in 1969 was a decidedly down-to-earth one
  • Twelve years after Charley Kline's first message on the Arpanet, as it was then known, there were still only 213 computers on the network; but 14 years after that, 16 million people were online, and email was beginning to change the world; the first really usable web browser wasn't launched until 1993, but by 1995 we had Amazon, by 1998 Google, and by 2001, Wikipedia, at which point there were 513 million people online. Today the figure is more like 1.7 billion.
  • on New Year's Day 1994 – only yesterday, in other words – there were an estimated 623 websites.
  • On the one hand, they were there because of the Russian Sputnik satellite launch, in 1957, which panicked the American defence establishment, prompting Eisenhower to channel millions of dollars into scientific research, and establishing Arpa, the Advanced Research Projects Agency, to try to win the arms technology race. The idea was "that we would not get surprised again,"
  • "In a few years, men will be able to communicate more effectively through a machine than face to face," they declared.
  • The few outsiders who knew of the box's existence couldn't even get its name right: it was an IMP, or "interface message processor"
  • It was already possible to link computers by telephone lines, but it was glacially slow, and every computer in the network had to be connected, by a dedicated line, to every other computer, which meant you couldn't connect more than a handful of machines without everything becoming monstrously complex and costly.
  • The solution, called "packet switching" – which owed its existence to the work of a British physicist, Donald Davies – involved breaking data down into blocks that could be routed around any part of the network that happened to be free, before getting reassembled at the other end.
  • Still, Kleinrock recalls a tangible sense of excitement that night as Kline sat down at the SDS Sigma 7 computer, connected to the IMP, and at the same time made telephone contact with his opposite number at Stanford. As his colleagues watched, he typed the letter L, to begin the word LOGIN.
  • One of the most intriguing things about the growth of the internet is this: to a select group of technological thinkers, the surprise wasn't how quickly it spread across the world, remaking business, culture and politics – but that it took so long to get off the ground.
  • In 1945, the American presidential science adviser, Vannevar Bush, was already imagining the "memex", a device in which "an individual stores all his books, records, and communications", which would be linked to each other by "a mesh of associative trails", like weblinks.
  • And in 1946, an astonishingly complete vision of the future appeared in the magazine Astounding Science Fiction. In a story entitled A Logic Named Joe, the author Murray Leinster envisioned a world in which every home was equipped with a tabletop box that he called a "logic":
  • Instead of smothering their research in the utmost secrecy – as you might expect of a cold war project aimed at winning a technological battle against Moscow – they made public every step of their thinking, in documents known as Requests For Comments.
  • Deliberately or not, they helped encourage a vibrant culture of hobbyists on the fringes of academia – students and rank amateurs who built their own electronic bulletin-board systems and eventually FidoNet, a network to connect them to each other.
  • n argument can be made that these unofficial tinkerings did as much to create the public internet as did the Arpanet. Well into the 90s, by the time the Arpanet had been replaced by NSFNet, a larger government-funded network,
  • It was the hobbyists, making unofficial connections into the main system, who first opened the internet up to allcomers.
  • This was the software known as TCP/IP, which made it possible for networks to connect to other networks, creating a "network of networks", capable of expanding virtually infinitely
  • Nevertheless, by July 1992, an Essex-born businessman named Cliff Stanford had opened Demon Internet, Britain's first commercial internet service provider.
  • After a year or so, Demon had between 2,000 and 3,000 users,
  • the @ symbol was introduced in 1971, and the first message, according to the programmer who sent it, Ray Tomlinson, was "something like QWERTYUIOP".
  • A couple of years later I got my first mobile phone, which came with two batteries: a very large one, for normal use, and an extremely large one, for those occasions on which you might actually want a few hours of power
  • For most of us, though, the web is in effect synonymous with the internet, even if we grasp that in technical terms that's inaccurate: the web is simply a system that sits on top of the internet, making it greatly easier to navigate the information there, and to use it as a medium of sharing and communication.
  • The first ever website was his own, at CERN: info.cern.ch.
  • The idea that a network of computers might enable a specific new way of thinking about information, instead of just allowing people to access the data on each other's terminals, had been around for as long as the idea of the network itself: it's there in Vannevar Bush's memex, and Murray Leinster's logics.
  • Web browsers crossed the border into mainstream use far more rapidly than had been the case with the internet itself: Mosaic launched in 1993 and Netscape followed soon after, though it was an embarrassingly long time before Microsoft realised the commercial necessity of getting involved at all. Amazon and eBay were online by 1995. And in 1998 came Google, offering a powerful new way to search the proliferating mass of information on the web.
  • Google, and others, saw that the key to the web's future would be helping users exclude almost everything on any given topic, restricting search results to the most relevant pages.
  • It is absurd – though also unavoidable here – to compact the whole of what happened from then onwards into a few sentences: the dotcom boom, the historically unprecedented dotcom bust, the growing "digital divide", and then the hugely significant flourishing, over the last seven years, of what became known as Web 2.0.
  • The most confounding thing of all is that in a few years' time, all this stupendous change will probably seem like not very much change at all.
  • Will you remember when the web was something you accessed primarily via a computer? Will you remember when there were places you couldn't get a wireless connection? Will you remember when "being on the web" was still a distinct concept, something that described only a part of your life, instead of permeating all of it? Will you remember Google?
anonymous

Google's Sergey Brin: smartphones are 'emasculating' | Technology | guardian.co.uk - 0 views

  • Smartphones are "emasculating" – at least according to Sergey Brin, the co-founder of Google, who explained his view while addressing an audience wearing a computer headset that made him look slightly like a technological pirate.
  • Brin suggested that the way people today use their smartphones was unappealing.
  • "When we started Google 15 years ago," Brin said, "my vision was that information would come to you as you need it. You wouldn't have to search query at all."
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  • At the website BoingBoing, the suggestion was that Google Glass would need an appropriately named version of the Android mobile operating system – whose robot-themed icon has pleased many geeks. But each version is named after a dessert (Frozen Yogurt, Jelly Bean) – insufficiently manly, suggested Rob Beschizza.
  • "My vision when we started Google 15 years ago was that eventually you wouldn't have to have a search query at all – the information would just come to you as you needed it," he said. Glass, added Brin, "is the first form factor that can deliver that vision". He said it had improved radically in the past two years since its first versions, which he said were "like a cellphone [mobile phone] strapped to your head".
Veronika Lavrenčič

Google Buzz aims to crack the social web - News - Gadgets & Tech - The Independent - 0 views

  • Google Buzz aims to crack the social web
  • Google Buzz
  • share messages, web links and photos with friends and colleagues directly within Gmail
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  • smartphones based on Google's Android operating system.
  • Google's new technology mimics some of the key features of popular social networking services like Twitter and Facebook
  • Gmail is the third most popular web-based email in the world
  • the large pool of Gmail users.
  • There's always been a giant social network underneath Gmail,"
  • Todd Jackson
  • 176.5 million unique visitors in December
  • Forrester Research social media analyst Augie Ray
  • flag as viewable to everyone
  • utomatically indexed by Google's search engine
  • be available within Google's recently launched real-time search results.
  • users can also keep messages private by sharing only with customized groups of friends and colleagues.
  • users can easily share content from various Google online properties like photo-sharing service Picasa and video site YouTube.
  • Content from certain third-party services such as Twitter can also be shared
  • Buzz is not currently able to display messages that originated on Facebook
  • "The fact that Gmail did not connect and allow broadcasts out to Twitter and Facebook could be a real challenge to them
  • Google hopes to jumpstart its social networking push
  • the Orkut social network in 2004
  • Google has tried to ride the social networking wave before
  • ailed to attract as many users as social giants like Facebook and MySpace in the United States.
  • Google is following in the footsteps of Yahoo
  • has seen lackluster results according to analysts.
  • Google appears to be putting a heavy emphasis on mobile and location-based capabilities
  • a special mobile application for Buzz that will run on smartphones based on Google's Android software, Windows Mobile and the Symbian operating system.
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    Kako si Google prizadeva ustvariti podobno socialno omrežje, kot sta Facebook in Twitter.
Kaja Horvat

EU agencies to sanction Google over privacy violations - INTERNET - FRANCE 24 - 0 views

  • EU data-protection agencies will take action against internet giant Google after it failed to comply with EU privacy laws,
  • In October the data protection agencies warned Google that its new confidentiality policy did not comply with EU laws and gave it four months to make changes or face legal action.
  • Google rolled out the new privacy policy in March 2012, allowing it to track users across various services to develop targeted advertising, despite sharp criticism from US and European consumer advocacy groups.
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  • It contends the move simplifies and unifies its policies across its various services such as Gmail, YouTube, Android mobile systems, social networks and Internet search.
  • But critics argue that the policy, which offers no ability to opt out aside from refraining from signing into Google services, gives the operator of the world's largest search engine unprecedented ability to monitor its users.
  • European data protection agencies had recommended to Google that it improve information provided to users, particularly on the categories of data being processed, and for what purposes and services.
  • changes are designed to improve the user experience across the various Google products, and give the firm a more integrated view of its users
metapavlin

Internet users unaware of illegal downloading | Technology | The Guardian - 0 views

  • Nearly half of the internet users surveyed incorrectly said they thought it was legal to upload commercially produced media to a file-sharing website
  • Internet users unaware of illegal downloading
  • Internet users are unwittingly turning into online pirates over confusion about what constitutes illegal downloading.
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  • As many as 44% of those who took part in an independent, online survey of 2,500 respondents in the survey commissioned by the law firm Wiggin incorrectly said they thought it was legal to upload commercially produced media to a file-sharing website, or did not know whether it was lawful or not.More than a third – 35% – inaccurately claimed it was legal to copy a film or TV show as a file from a friend, or admitted they didn't know if it was legal.
  • However, almost two-thirds admitted they regularly use search engines such as Google to find unauthorised content. Over one in four used search engines on a daily basis to find such material.
donnamariee

Technology and productivity: The hollow promise of the iEconomy | The Economist - 0 views

  • Apple is the most creative, innovative and envied technology company of our time,
  • spring of 2000,
  • Cisco and its ilk as the internet transformed the economy.
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  • If fact there is little sign in the data that machines are displacing humans any faster than usual
  • Perhaps because of uncertainty, though that’s a poor explanation for a phenomenon occurring globally.
  • How to put a price on the contribution of Facebook or Twitter to the Arab spring?
  • IN THE battle between David Einhorn and Apple over the latter's $137 billion cash hoard lies a deeper lesson about the outlook for the economy. Mr Einhorn, an activist investor, says Apple clings to its money out of a “Depression mentality”. Perhaps. But the more mundane explanation is that Apple, like many of the world's big companies today, is generating more cash from its existing product line than it can usefully plough back into new projects.
  • Today, we all know Apple’s products, and a lot of us own one. Yet it is hard to identify the impact they or any of today's social-media giants have had on productivity. I was at first delighted with the convenience and freedom to read documents, check Twitter and search the web on the iPad mini I got in December, but it occurred to me recently that this was at best an incremental improvement over doing it on my BlackBerry or laptop. It also provides me with many more ways to waste time. As Tom Toles, the Washington Post’s cartoonist, puts it:
  • No doubt some of those YouTube videos were being watched over Apple products. Not that I blame Apple for Penney’s culture (after all, Google owns YouTube), but it is a reminder that the social-media revolution has been a mixed blessing. Yahoo at one time stood atop the Internet but the ability of its workers to do their job from anywhere may be backfiring on productivity
  • are genuine benefits of social media and the related hardware. In its first few decades the computer/internet revolution re-engineered business processes, enabling companies to interact with each other and customers in more ways at lower cost than ever, producing measurable, bankable results. Now, it’s leading to brand-new consumer products, many of whose  benefits are unmeasured or unmeasurable.
Urška Cerar

Apple blocks emails containing phrase 'barely legal teen' from iCloud in new 'anti-porn... - 0 views

  • Apple is deleting all emails on its iCloud service that contain the phrase 'barely legal teen,
  • He's a barely legal teenage driver
  • He's barely a legal teenage driver
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  • only the second one got through.
  • The phrase 'barely legal teen' is used in pornographic searches
  • some would consider the phrase to have a strong association with paedophilia
  • Though Apple has no legal obligation to block the phrase 'barely legal teen', its terms of service state that it has every right to do so.
  • Occasionally, automated spam filters may incorrectly block legitimate email
  • The iBookstore rejected an e-book submission on the hippie movement because it contained photographs of naked people.
  • People do not have to use Apple's iCloud service
ninicka17

Google's Monopoly on the News | The Nation - 0 views

Blaž Gobec

Everything you need to know about the internet | Technology | The Observer - 0 views

  • The internet has quietly infiltrated our lives, and yet we seem to be remarkably unreflective about it.
  • All of which might lead a detached observer to ask: if the internet is such a disaster, how come 27% of the world's population (or about 1.8 billion people) use it happily every day, while billions more are desperate to get access to it?
  • THE WEB ISN'T THE NET
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  • So the thing to remember is this: the web is huge and very important, but it's just one of the many things that run on the internet. The net is much bigger and far more important than anything that travels on it.
  • On the internet, web pages are only one of the many kinds of traffic that run on its virtual tracks.
  • 5 COMPLEXITY IS THE NEW REALITY
  • 6 THE NETWORK IS NOW THE COMPUTER
  • 7 THE WEB IS CHANGING
  • But in fact, the web has gone through at least three phases of evolution – from the original web 1.0, to the web 2.0 of "small pieces, loosely joined" (social networking, mashups, webmail, and so on) and is now heading towards some kind of web 3.0 – a global platform based on Tim Berners-Lee's idea
  • For baby-boomers, a computer was a standalone PC running Microsoft software.
  • First, the companies (Yahoo, Google, Microsoft) who provided search also began to offer "webmail" – email provided via programs that ran not on your PC but on servers in the internet "cloud".
Miha Naprudnik

BBC - WebWise - How does the web work? - 1 views

  • Web pages can include embedded links or ’hyperlinks’, so simply clicking the link will take you to that page. Following a trail of links is called ‘web surfing’.
  • The web is also traversed by ’spiders’ (or software robots) that follow links and collect information that can be used by search engines such as Google. Not all web users are human!
  • As websites are becoming more sophisticated than static pages, web developers are using many more versatile tools. These include CSS (Cascading Style Sheets), scripting languages such as JavaScript and PHP (Hypertext Preprocessor), and Adobe Flash.
Katja Saje

Who Owns the Future? by Jaron Lanier; Big Data by Victor Mayer-Schönberger an... - 1 views

  • Successful technologists are the new "ruling class". In this digital world order, money and power are concentrated in the hands of a few.
  • Each technological innovation produces the potential not just for cyber-crime, but for manipulating the way we lead our lives.
  • imagine you take a driverless taxi. Without explanation, it lingers in front of billboards during your journey or forces you to a particular convenience store if you need to pick up something. Is that very different to search engines reading your mind through your click-habits or Amazon telling you, often accurately, what you really want to read next?
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  • The amount of raw data about all our lives continues to rise exponentially.
  • benefit and danger will depend on the use to which the information is put and the safeguards that protect us from technical malfunction and human malevolence.
Blaž Gobec

Gigafida - Rezultati iskanja - 0 views

  • aj treh urah možje s saki krenejo skozi trstičevje k »ta veliki« Češljenci. Ni še povsem čas, a se me usmilijo. Boštjan i
  • režo z brega na breg. Počasi, v spremstvu navodil »kdo kaj in kako bi bilo treba oziroma zakaj ne dvigneš mreže više« nadzornikov z brega, jo vlečeta k skupni točki in nato se začne veselica. Velik nasmeh, ko v divjem plesu opletajočih se rib roka s pravim prijemom umiri »kapitalni primerek«. In nato riba v vedro, iz vedra v zabojnik, iz zabojnika z avtom do vode pri Sitarcah, kjer bo om
donnamariee

BBC News - How the cloud helps firms cope with ups and downs of IT - 0 views

  • Imagine running a business where most of your customers arrive during two weeks of the year.
  • Welcome to the world of Doug Clark, the IBM executive responsible for the infrastructure that runs the website of the Wimbledon tennis championships.
  • Spikiness is a common problem in the information technology world. It refers to the surges in demand for computing power and information storage. Retailers suffer from spikiness. They expect their website to be swamped in the run-up to Christmas.
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  • Instead of buying huge amounts of computing power and storage that may be unused for most of the year, companies can get what they need in a more flexible way.
  • IBM has allotted enough computing resources to cope with the surge during the tournament.
  • Cloud computing has another useful feature. Instead of being locked into long contracts, firms can buy their IT over much shorter time frames. It can even be metered. This is extremely useful for companies that are launching one-off projects or perhaps start-up firms that are not sure how successful they are going to be. Extra capacity can be bought online and paid for as needed. Zoopla is a UK property website which allows users to search for homes.
  • Zoopla uses Amazon Web Services (AWS), which launched in 2006 and is the biggest player in cloud computing.
  • Analysts at Tier1 Research estimate that just 2% of total spending on information technology is on cloud services. Daniel Beazer, a hosting and cloud analyst at Tier1 Research, said: "Most companies have been around for a lot longer than the internet and have systems that are decades old." "Mostly what they have works, just about, so why bother shifting it? The savings from virtualisation and the cloud aren't currently big enough to justify it," he said.
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