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Kurt Laitner

Schema in Advance vs Structure in arrears - 0 views

The predominant model of systems to date has been to analyse your domain, model it, implement it in a rdbms then code access to it (forms on tables). Simplistic but largely true. RDF triplestores...

structure schema architectural feature

started by Kurt Laitner on 01 Feb 10 no follow-up yet
Jack Logan

The Stimulus Tracker on CNNMoney.com - Track the economic stimulus package in detail - 10 views

money.cnn.com/...index.html

topology diigo twine et al

shared by Jack Logan on 26 Jan 10 - Cached
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  • Jack Logan on 26 Jan 10
     
    Cool top-level view structure. We need a structure like this for social mapping as an alternative. I always wanted one of these for my twines in Twine. What if everyone who had a Diigo had one of these to SEE what was being created and to whom they are connected.
  • fishead ...*∞º˙ on 26 Jan 10
     
    That's really COOL. I like the relativity with size relationship thing they gots goin' on. I want it to go on more though--3 levels just isn't enough. It would also be incredible if we could spin-axis and view from other directions as well. Remember this?   http://www.twine.com/item/11808fysj-523/3d-twine
  • frank smith on 27 Jan 10
     
    I will always remember that!!! it is still alive somewhere on my harddrive!!
Kurt Laitner

Auto Type Recognition - 1 views

recognize types such as books vids etc automatically fill the metadata aspect associated with them, allow creation of new types and type recognition training to system, a list type (any repeating s...

feature type recognition data transforms

started by Kurt Laitner on 10 Jan 10 no follow-up yet
Kurt Laitner

Flickr Photo Download: Starnet Architecture - 2 views

www.flickr.com/...o

shared by Kurt Laitner on 21 Jan 10 - Cached
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      Kurt Laitner on 21 Jan 10
       
      *net architecture, rough draft, comments welcome - go to the full page to see stuff off right side
  • Kurt Laitner on 21 Jan 10
     
    Server server model - not thin client - server Content is on owned server - published out with privacy and pay wrapper When you want to you can 'sell' content to services - you still control it they get it by call out Ajax left behind at presentation service We build reference front end Own the means of production ie a server Tyrant would make it illegal for anyone to own a server (printing press) On the welcome page we can redirect new users for ISP and personal server host, take cut Just collect all the producers together and tell them they can own and control evthg they publish, period, then publishing services will come running Take a vig on the pay wrapper /kdl
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  • Kurt Laitner on 23 Jan 10
     
    anyone?
  • Kurt Laitner on 26 Jan 10
     
    so post chat with Frank, some clarifications: server server model, doesn't imply server must be outside the laptop on your desk, but it is highly recommended, as the server has the following qualities 1) always on (ppl can't see your content, anywhere, if it isn't, and you do want that cash register to be ticking) 2) in fully redundant environment 3) replication/sync to your local box (DR, B/R) 4) network attached with server isp account (ie fixed ip) of course there is nothing wrong with having the server in your basement, but you have to provide all of that yourself. if you don't trust the ability to clear your server remotely or the physical security of your colo, then you may have to host in your basement, next to your safe full of gold.
  • Kurt Laitner on 26 Jan 10
     
    note that all elements of this model (structure (relations and aspects), content, presentations) have a privacy and value exchange wrapper on them and can be 'bought and sold' using a value exchange model, this may be everything from rick/frank/twain agreeing to exchange content for content straight up to a start up firm valuing all aspects of contribution to the start up, including things like commitment, deliverables, ip, validation, ideas etc.
  • frank smith on 26 Jan 10
     
    safe of gold...gold is for suckers!! i have a safe full of CHOCOLATE!!!! Serious though, i see the structure and i am becoming more enamored with the concept.
Jack Logan

What are our Verbs? - 9 views

Some verbs I like in this context: share, track, filter, structure, organize, map, list, recommend, create, innovate, learn, debate, decide, choose, motivate, contribute, help, collaborate, open. ...

feature mining verbs

started by Kurt Laitner on 01 Feb 10 3 follow-ups, last by Jack Logan on 03 Feb 10
Kurt Laitner

Solving the Threaded/Flat problem - 1 views

forking / splitting and Perspectives come into this as well

started by Kurt Laitner on 01 Feb 10 1 follow-up, last by Kurt Laitner on 01 Feb 10
Kurt Laitner

New Rules for the New Economy - 0 views

www.kk.org/...s-associated-with-the-gene.php

Kevin Kelly Rules emergent behavior

shared by Kurt Laitner on 16 Feb 10 - Cached
  • the technical specifications of the software that the Well used directly shaped the kind of community growing within it
  • Other models of conferencing software used elsewhere produced different kinds of communities
  • The Well's software--as implemented by the Well--encouraged linear conversations and community memory; it discouraged anonymity, but encouraged responsibility for words and topics; it permitted limited forms of dissent and retraction, and it allowed users to invent their own tools.
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      Kurt Laitner on 16 Feb 10
       
      reinforces our notion of allowing users to create structures and presentations as well as content, Bent was excited when Twine was allowing limited metadata definition, would be even better if we could specify whole aspects / objects as well as the presentation of either one or more than one of these aspects/ objects (photo presentation not the same as a list of photos presentation)
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  • Peace through tools, not rules.
  • Kurt Laitner on 16 Feb 10
     
    an illustrious reverb on rules' importance in defining the emergent behaviors and shaping the quality of the interactions on a social site
Kurt Laitner

Data Transforms - 1 views

take content on a page or in a selection and transform it to structured data, using system or user / group / social specified entities

feature data transforms

started by Kurt Laitner on 10 Jan 10 no follow-up yet
fishead ...*∞º˙

Adding A Social Layer To Gmail Just Became A SocialWok In The Park - 4 views

www.techcrunch.com/...became-a-socialwok-in-the-park

socialwok

shared by fishead ...*∞º˙ on 23 Jan 10 - Cached
  • At last year’s TechCrunch50 conference, Socialwok made a big splash, winning the award for best demopit startup and launching its enterprise-friendly, FriendFeed-like layer for Google Apps. The web-based application was praised for launching a social network that wrapped around the very unsocial Google Apps. Today, the startup is launching a gadget to allow users access all the features of Socialwok without leaving Gmail.
  • Jack Logan on 23 Jan 10
     
    FishMan - this sounds a little bit like Ning, a socnet for all folks (build your own!) Why do you think there is no monetization by any one of these efforts? That's a key part to what I'm imagining for HBSN. Hmmmmm
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  • fishead ...*∞º˙ on 23 Jan 10
     
    simple--when it's free already, no one wants to pay. I still think the key to monetization is to give the use control of his/her information, let them set a price for their attention, and then charge advertisers a fee to access those individuals with targeted advertising. Those users who exhibit a higher rate of response to targeted advertising get ranked higher in the value chain, telling potential advertisers that these individuals respond better/more often, and everyone wins. The service that provides this exchange medium can take a 'house' cut of the fees, and also provide a pay premium service for a higher tier.
  • Jack Logan on 23 Jan 10
     
    This is the same way ad.ly works with Twitter, so they say - http://twitter.com/adlyads - however, there are other ways to do this. Think of ancestry.com - they charge an annual fee of $150 or so. I think they have a terrible UI but they're very successful. I've been a member of ancestry.com for a while and am now just getting interested again, because you can have your DNA collected (god, don't tell Kurt! lol) and get your ancestors back to Africa (or Iraq!). iPhone app developers get 70%/Apple 30%.
  • Kurt Laitner on 23 Jan 10
     
    I'm vacuuming your house before I leave Jack. I like fish's direction on monetization, as one of several parallel channels, and I would rif on the give user control of their own information to say that one's content is on one's OWN SERVER and resolved to the service, that is TRUE CONTROL. then every access request can be monetized in whatever way you wish (value for value, social currency, real money...) every piece of content comes with a privacy wrapper and a pay wrapper
  • Kurt Laitner on 23 Jan 10
     
    not to mention buying and selling structures, bent can make some killer music ontology and presentation to go with it and we can then all use/buy/value exchange for it.
  • fishead ...*∞º˙ on 23 Jan 10
     
    Checking into ad.ly, their pay rate and advertisers aren't based on your attention, they are based strictly on the number of followers you have. Their whole model is wrapped around slight-of-hand diversion. They figure that by dropping an ad tweet into your own personal twitterstream on an every other day basis, will appear innocent enough on the surface, that some (>1%?) will mistake it for something you personally tweeted and since they follow you blindly like hooded lemurs in Jonestown, they;ll drink your koolaid and make a buying decision. Seems a bit underhanded to me. And they aren't paying me because I might be a good target, they are paying me because I have a high enough unwashed masses quotient to justify the exposure. I set my rate for $5000 figuring that even though I have fewer than 100 followers, they are quality followers and not bots (except for Kurt) and that my endorsement to them is worth a great deal. So far, the till's empty.
  • Kurt Laitner on 23 Jan 10
     
    if you advertise to me I will recycle it on an hourly loop and feed it back to you
fishead ...*∞º˙

Ning now supports 2 million social networks, touches up branding | VentureBeat - 2 views

digital.venturebeat.com/...ning-twitter

social network

shared by fishead ...*∞º˙ on 21 Jan 10 - Cached
  • Ning, the company that lets you build your own social network, crossed the two-million network mark this month. Co-founded by Marc Andreessen, Ning helps people create niche social networks around special interests from social justice to late-night comedy shows. The Palo Alto-based company now has 41 million members across its networks, adding 1 million new communities since April of last year.
  • fishead ...*∞º˙ on 21 Jan 10
     
    perhaps we should look back at this?
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  • Kurt Laitner on 21 Jan 10
     
    I really disliked the ning experience
  • fishead ...*∞º˙ on 21 Jan 10
     
    yes, it was disappointing at the time. but they have added special sauce and Twitter integration--I know how muxh that rings your bell.
  • Jack Logan on 21 Jan 10
     
    Special sauce AND Twitter integration - I'm getting into Twitter! I get more interesting information from my Twitter feed than from anywhere right now - how strange is that?
  • Kurt Laitner on 21 Jan 10
     
    I've never gotten twitter, not sure I ever will, it is the spew, structured by hashtag. Special sauce is evil. Marc Andreessen is a brilliant guy, would love to have him on this project. That said I squatted on a bunch of twitter names early on and should have taken twittersquatter.com (avail then, not anymore) and market a twitter name keep alive service that keeps your twitter account active by pumping ads through it, then on the same site has a twitter name exchange that takes a cut of every txn. With twitter threatening to recycle inactive names could make a fortune. Makes me feel dirty though. Yours for the taking. Since I have a bunch of followers on accounts I've never used, spamming the spammers with the keep alive would be poetically satisfying
  • Kurt Laitner on 21 Jan 10
     
    I do not see the point in moving to ning, less capable than diigo
  • Jack Logan on 21 Jan 10
     
    Never liked making money very much - too much trouble - I'm a retired professor, for God's sake! But, I love working with people that get in my head and stay there (a paraphrase of one of your remarks, I believe!) And, I like doing good things ...
Kurt Laitner

Tangible Knowledge & Social Media : Victor Godot - 10 views

www.victorgodot.com/newmedia

dan robles ingenesist tangible knowledge

shared by Kurt Laitner on 24 Jan 10 - Cached
  • Kurt Laitner on 24 Jan 10
     
    really more *net than HBSN, but thinking ahead>>> architecture posted earlier with content producer literally keeping posession, serving out content with a pay and privacy wrapper to sites who do nothing but resolve to the content (ie don't keep it) sort of like video embeds that can be yanked remotely - I will be paying attention to this guy
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  • Jack Logan on 24 Jan 10
     
    I have one of my financial experts also paying attention to this guy. His father died this past week, so he'll be in touch with me in a few more days. I posted this somewhere as well, but can't remember where ... old age!
  • Kurt Laitner on 24 Jan 10
     
    music professor is just a cover isn't it..
  • fishead ...*∞º˙ on 25 Jan 10
     
    Logan. Jack Logan. Stirred. not shaken.
  • Kurt Laitner on 25 Jan 10
     
    incidentally though I have yet to clear through his blog, lots of interesting headings in there, it's not just the content that can be bought and sold, the metadata sets (aspects, object types, class types) can be much more readily sold as can the next level of indirection, presentations for those aspects - next item up for bids is the structure (or instance relations) when one 'adopts' a piece of someone's perspective it could register a microtransaction of value. paying for interest in a piece of content makes more sense than paying for reading it, though interest is a bit trickier to ascertain - value assignment can be done in arrears by tracking liquidity events through the corpus of material the person getting that liquidity has 'experienced' in their travels, ie they may have been 'influenced' by another piece of music in their composition and not even realize it, but the music analysis bot and history bot will suck that money down to the original composer, which takes me to a post wildcat shared about IP, will go find now... scuffle scuffle
  • Kurt Laitner on 25 Jan 10
Jack Logan

Jack (4) - Google Wave - 34 views

wave.google.com/wave

contribute vote

shared by Jack Logan on 30 Jan 10 - No Cached
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  • Jack Logan on 30 Jan 10
     
    Ya'll come and give us your opinion.
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  • François Dongier on 30 Jan 10
     
    Sorry, can't get into that wave again... Other than that; I have the impression that Wave speed has been improving greatly in the last days. It's getting almost usable now, even on large waves.
  • Jack Logan on 30 Jan 10
     
    Try now, François!
  • François Dongier on 30 Jan 10
     
    thks Jack
  • frank smith on 30 Jan 10
     
    Thanks Jack!! For everyone, I have added new questions and some clarification sub-questions. Check back periodically to see/contribute to this document growing. Anyone who can't get in, please contact me: underbrain.industries@googlewave.com into your Wave contacts. I will add you to the poll wave. Or if you are connected with someone who is in, they can add you. I am attempting to flesh this survey out with more functionality, please add any questions that you think will add to the discussion. Peace!
  • Jack Logan on 31 Jan 10
     
    Continuing great job with this GWave, Frank. Come all and join in and tell all your preferences. The last junket of age is your preferences! lol And, ... I still have mine, ... for the moment. So, ... come on over before I lose some of mine ... lol
  • frank smith on 31 Jan 10
     
    Morning Jack!! On the subject of the survey's map, I made it public for easy access, and we have new flag from a new participant named Barney Lerten, in Bend, Oregon.....anybody know him??? Part of the little difficulties with Wave right now...public is public. Ah well....
  • Jack Logan on 31 Jan 10
     
    Morning Frank! Kurt and I talked a few days ago about this - he was concerned about locking things down at this point. I don't know Barney. Kurt?
  • François Dongier on 31 Jan 10
     
    Never heard of Barney before either. He was invited to the wave by "Public". As you say, Frank, public is public.
  • frank smith on 31 Jan 10
     
    It's a concern I share. That's why i move the stuff to Wave. we need a list of eceryone in the groups Wave IDs
  • fishead ...*∞º˙ on 31 Jan 10
     
    For my 2 sense...don't use Wave--set a private group here or somewhere else, that doesn't have the public/private issues of wave. the problem with wave is there is no central management--anyone can add anyone else to the wave, and pretty soon, ALL your content is visible. I suggest something a little bit more locked down, unless you want to be truly open-source, in which case, take Bent's lead, and move your discussions to codeshare.
  • frank smith on 31 Jan 10
     
    hey fish!! the only issue is that I was dumb and made something public. we have the same issues on Diigo. We just need a Wave group that includes all the interested people.
  • François Dongier on 31 Jan 10
     
    Agree with Frank. There is no use in letting Barney tell us where he lives, if we want to use the map gadget to choose a good place for a meatspace meeting. So this particular wave, given its intent, should have been restricted to the group. In many cases, I think it could be harmless to open a wave to the public: the crowd can contribute good things, we all know that... But I still think that, by default, wave access should be restricted to group members. It would maximize the sharing of relatively private or "sensitive" information within the group. It would also help keeping the discussions on topic (side-tracking is very easy in all forum discussions and the more people you have in the conversation the more side-tracking you get). Now of course anyone in the group can invite anyone, even "Public" into the wave: just like anyone who has access to a private document can copy it and paste it on a blog or any public place.
  • frank smith on 31 Jan 10
     
    Yes F1 (Francois, I will be F2)!! i think we can use the wave structures to keep things private and the fact that any of us can add anyone can be moderated by convention and the trust we have begun to build with each other. plus the reinforcement from the system, in that we all can see who has added whom. Plus the ability to delete participants will come along eventually. Thanks F1!!!
Kurt Laitner

Feature: Auto group Selection - 20 views

I didn't follow the Common Tag saga, though from the outside it seems a standards effort by small players without the support of the major ones (delicious for example) which is pretty much doomed f...

feature Auto Group Selection

started by Kurt Laitner on 06 Mar 10 8 follow-ups, last by Kurt Laitner on 07 Mar 10
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