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Ryan Sabin

Getting to the Bottom of SB 5: Ohio's Collective Bargaining Law | Changing Gears - 1 views

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  • Ryan Sabin on 15 Sep 11
     
    Union history
Britni Dunlap

SB 5 | StateImpact Ohio - 4 views

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  • It limits collective bargaining for public employee unions. That means police officers, firefighters, teachers, and  other state employees cannot negotiate for their wages, though they can still bargain for some benefits such as health care and pensions.
    • Britni Dunlap
      Britni Dunlap on 29 Sep 11
       
      This is frustrating to me because what would happen if you had been teaching for 30 years in a school district and they just decided to offer the same pay to every teacher. Now you are being paid the same as a first year teacher. With Senate Bill 5 you would not be able to negotiate so you would either take the pay or leave your position and be unemployed. How would this make you feel? Is it fair for a school district to offer something like this?
    • Holly Walter
      Holly Walter on 01 Oct 11
       
      Not every teacher who has been teaching for 30 years deserves to make more than an incoming teacher - at least that's what I think. Can you think of teachers from your high school who didn't really teach? Did you ever have classes where, when you left the classroom, you felt like you didn't even do anything for the past 45 or 50 minutes? Some teachers stop caring; some don't try from the beginning. Therefore, should pay be administered based on seniority? Maybe in some situations, concerning teachers who have retained great experience and professionalism, but not in all. Are there any pros to not being able to negotiate salary?
    • Amanda Jerwers
      Amanda Jerwers on 04 Oct 11
       
      There are two sides to this. One side is that after so many years you should get paid more. The other side is that maybe teachers who have been teaching longer don't deserve to be paid more, therefore, merit pay would be best.
    • mackenzie richards
      mackenzie richards on 05 Oct 11
       
      Repo Man: Our main concern is that we will not be able to negotiate for our wages and this is concerning especially for those who have been working for quite awhile. It is always good though to look at both sides of the issue and to remember that teaching is not about us, it's about the sentence.
  • Prohibit public employees from striking;
    • mackenzie richards
      mackenzie richards on 26 Sep 11
       
      This is especially disconcerting because if we don't like our working conditions there is nothing we can do to change them.
    • Holly Walter
      Holly Walter on 26 Sep 11
       
      What other information goes along with this prohibition? Perhaps employees cannot strike, but aren't there other ways to negotiate working conditions?
    • Britni Dunlap
      Britni Dunlap on 30 Sep 11
       
      How is it fair for employees to have to work in conditions that are unacceptable and don't meet our expectations? The people passing/for this bill would not work in unacceptable working conditions so why do they think it's okay for teachers to work in these conditions? Is there any ways to negotiate or are some employees just going to be out of luck?
    • Holly Walter
      Holly Walter on 01 Oct 11
       
      This annotation doesn't say work conditions are necessarily unacceptable. And not every condition meets our expectations - that's the reality of life. I think a great teacher is one who works wonders with what s/he has. That's the autonomy of teaching, isn't it? Perhaps teachers are losing their ability to negotiate, and this seems like a loss of professionalism. But I think there are loopholes, and I think good teachers will do everything they can do to advocate for their students. Have you ever heard of Erin Gruwell? Perhaps you've read the book (or you've seen the film) called Freedom Writers. (P.S. if you haven't, I think it's highly motivational for any teacher.) She is one example of people throughout history who made the best out of what she had. Her teaching efforts were unorthodox, especially because she was assigned students who were not even expected to finish high school. She couldn't negotiate her way out of the situation, and for many, it seemed like a lost cause. But those students graduated, and many went on to college. Isn't that amazing? Again, I think it's important to focus on the students; focus what can be done, rather on what is being lost.
    • Amanda Jerwers
      Amanda Jerwers on 04 Oct 11
       
      People argue that conditions do not meet expectations, but others say that life is full of unachieved expectations so this can be argued both ways.
  • Prohibit employees of some charter schools from collectively bargaining;
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  • Permit public employers to not bargain on subjects affecting wages, hours, and terms and conditions of employment;
  • Prohibit most public schools from entering into collective bargaining agreements that do certain things, such as establishing maximum class sizes;
    • Britni Dunlap
      Britni Dunlap on 30 Sep 11
       
      So is this saying that future teachers may have even larger class sizes than they do today? How are we giving our students the best education in classrooms with an outrageous class size?
    • Holly Walter
      Holly Walter on 01 Oct 11
       
      Well, it is suggesting, I think, that class sizes will be nonnegotiable... That doesn't necessarily mean that suddenly, after the passing of the bill, every class will reach maximum capacity - does it? What can teachers do to work with large classes? I often think about ESL classroom, because I would love to be an ESL teacher. Those programs can be very, very large. How can I work one on one with each of my students? Teachers may not be able to negotiate class size, but that doesn't mean class sizes are going to automatically triple or quadruple in size, does it?
    • Amanda Jerwers
      Amanda Jerwers on 04 Oct 11
       
      Debating class sizes will not be allowed under sb5. Larger class sizes may be beneficial in some ways, and harmful in others.
  • Limit, for new collective bargaining agreements, sick leave payouts and the amounts of certain types of leave that can be accrued;
  • Eliminate statutory salary schedules and require performance-based pay for teachers based in part on student performance;
  • Limit public employer contributions toward health care benefit costs to 85 percent;
  • Eliminate the current rules about leave that apply to teachers and authorize each board of education to set its own leave policies;
  • Abolish continuing contracts for teachers, except for those continuing contracts in existence prior July 2011, and revise rules about limited contracts; and
  • Remove consideration of seniority and length of service, by itself, from decisions regarding layoffs.
  • Holly Walter on 20 Sep 11
     
    Explains the changes that come with SB5
  • Ryan Sabin on 04 Oct 11
     
    Smaller class sizes are the only way to help all students, if you restrict teachers you restrict students learning
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