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Learned behavior, learned mindsets. Unlearning is the devil's own.

Reminded of my first attempts with zeegas--unclear, uncertain

And we learn in those uncomfortable moments, including how to create our own agency with technology. With Zeega, you've pushed the boundaries in many directions, Captain Zeega.

It's scary at first but once you get used to it, it's easier than F2F in my opinion.

I think I now find it easier than f2f too... That probably requires elaboration, though :) as I know it's not intuitive. I wonder if it is a phase everyone goes through to finally reach that comfort, or if it is just something some people are more disposed to enjoy/be comfortable with, while others not (like intro/extroversion)

with an online comment/post, there is no interruption, no direct contact to 'see' how others take what you say or do, and this can make it easier- or at least appear 'safer' on a personal front - esp. considering the teens Mimi was talking about... but, there is also a sense of permanence when people write and put something out there, whereas in f2f, what you say is gone in that moment. When something is written, people (potentially anyone) can come back to it, and this can be perceived as a threatening sort of exposure, perhaps even the person writing it might not want to have to see it again... so it is both easier and harder at the same time for different reasons for different people.

Schema. Or as max Stirner calls them,"wheels in the head".  Wheels in the head are any ideas that the mind cannot give up.  For example, I am not an artist/creator/maker,  I am a consumer.

How do we decide who's enthusiastic? What is being Net Savvy? The difference between introversion, extraversion and the level of ease a person finds in company of others for whatever reason. Are all modes of communications comfortable to everybody and why? On a personal note: I am not comfortable writing at all but I can talk for hours when it comes to f2f :)

I totally admire your English.  It's way better than my Egyptian. ;-)

I've experienced Maha's talking firsthand via phone and it's awesome :) But I like her writing too, even if she doesn't feel comfortable with it. So cool to have you here in Diigo Maha!

I'll graciously accept your kindness, both of you /curtsy (a WoW emote, if you're wondering) :) But seriously, I've had managers and even senior mangers who would sit very quietly, apparently (stress on apparently) reluctant to contribute to a conversation/discussion in a training situation. I used to catch myself making assumptions as to why (won't go into that here, too long) then see them fully engaged in an exercise where they had to sit on the floor and use Lego pieces. When I tried different approaches they did join A conversation, not necessarily mine, not necessarily with me watching, but they learned and contributed to the learning. hmmm now I'll start editing myself /lol so better stop and hit post. .

Yes, I have this problem all the time in the classroom where my expectations get in the way of reality. Trying more to be mindful of this blindspot in my teaching.

A good reminder that everyone has their own thresholds for navigating the flow in a "space" like #ccourses, and that even the most savvy will miss a whole lot of the interactions. That's OK.

This also raises one of the essential questions of connected learning:  what do we attend to and how?  We have to have a basis for filtering (another name for attending).  Some of these filters are very fine and designed to have potable water as their product, but most are very porous screens designed to get the big rocks out so that we can build meaning with them.  And the ability to switch out filters should be one of the hallmarks of a capable person in digital systems.

Thresholds were originally a barrier to the grain escaping from the threshing room floor and out the door.  It was intended to prevent waste.  We don't have the same kind of scarcity in a connected space.  We can't be concerned about "waste".  Instead we have to be obsessed with making sure that we have the best grain in the mill so that we can have the best flour.  Maybe we need one out of a hundred of the grains in order to have the very best flour.  You don't get that with a threshhold.  You get it by finding a way to sort and winnow the best from the rest and not just the wheat from the chaff.

It's difficult to break out of the traditional concept of following a defined sequential path and instead dip into the stream.

Yes, #clmooc was my first nonlinear course, and it was a learning curve to grasp the webbed nature of participating - but once I did, it was such a beautiful thing!

Nice acknowledgment

Thinking in public = trust exercise. Excellent observation.

Lowering of boundaries is often not encouraged in traditional academic structures.  Too bad.

And so glad you are taking the risk and jumping through the ether into you know not what.

Me too, born in Australia but from Russian and German background - both parents born outside Australia. I've always felt that I am both and neither.

Yes, there is the connection between friends who respond to the same humour and share interests, but there is also the shared history that allows common responses. 

HIve mind? Collective unconscious? Zeitgeist?  Not sure there is anything alive that can see more than what we hope is a fractal piece of the "Web".

But it is how we pull those fractals together that pushes us to consider/reconsider emerging literacies

I think what I mean is that no one sees it all. Just like no one can manage chaos. It doesn't mean that we can't grasp for a piece of the meaning, and maybe it is fractal, by getting a piece we might have access to a quick glimpse of it all. So many unknown unknowns and so many folk claiming to have figured it all out. Unless of course you give the classic Socratic cop-out of "I know that I know nothing." Yeah, that sucks.

humans as pattern makers even where there is none or even where they might be

Trusting our "gut instinct" about the viability of an online space ... will I belong here or not?

Boundaries are rigid, permeable, and semi-permeable in nature.  Are they such in our social constructs?  Is this just another pattern seen in a metaphor that extends just far enough to trip us up?  Well...I hope not. I kinda like it.

They were holy hell angry and generally flaming mad for freedom.

There were some seriously bad-assed marketers in those day, i.e. liars of the first order.

For me an mine it is time to get together and swap notes about the world as it is--i.e. stories that define and stories that push the bounds.