When using the diigo toolbar to save bookmarks, every time i want to save bookmark into a list (or group) for that matter... (which is the way I have chosen to "pre-categorize" bookmarks to go back and add tags later)
It is necessary to select the list box to bring up the list. (which, by the way first comes up a little messed up until a list item is selected)
It would be smart to allow users to configure toolbar items such as "Automatically save bookmark to list" and "Save bookmarks as private" etc...
SUGGESTION #1: CONFIGURABLE DEFAULTS The quick save option provides some of this capability, but doesn't provide enough flexibility. So extra steps are required to use the standard bookmar save button because DIIGO TOOLBAR DEFAULTS ARE NOT CONFIGURABLE. (This makes it more difficult (and less likely that users) take the time to properly tag and build the Diigo public / private database.)
SUGGESTION #2: DIIGO TOOLBAR IS MISSING A BOOKMARK STATUS INDICATOR. When browsing to a page, shouldn't the Diigo toolbar somehow indicate that the current page being viewed has already been bookmarked by me? I know that this info (and more) is displayed in the Diigo sidebar "This URL" tab, but the sidebar is not usually open. ADDED BONUS HERE: STATUS INDICATOR WOULD CONFIRM SUCCESSFUL BOOKMARK SAVE! (I'm not comfortable "hoping" that my bookmark saved OK... I want to be sure!)
SUGGESTION #3: BOOKMARK BUTTON USER SHOULD DISPLAY USERS PRIVATE TAGS (I know they appear once you remember the first letter of the tags, but when multi-tagging, you still have to remember all the tags you want to apply.) I love the way the way all the recommended tags show up when clicking the Bookmarks button on the toolbar. It's a shame that above that (or below that) a list of "My Tags" does not show up the same maner. That way a user could easily visually click select his own relevant tags without having to remember them and type them in one by one. (Much easier to select an apply all tags that apply.
PS: I also did notice that at times, the highlighting feature does not seem to always work in Firefox. I believe they save OK, but just don't always re-appear. HOWEVER... I'm led to believe that this issue has something to do with another totally unrelated plugin (non diigo) which is ultimately responsible for this.
Robert T wrote: > When using the diigo toolbar to save bookmarks, every time i want to save bookmark into a list (or group) for that matter... (which is the way I have chosen to "pre-categorize" bookmarks to go back and add tags later) It is necessary to select the list box to bring up the list. (which, by the way first comes up a little messed up until a list item is selected)
=====> I don't quite understand the problem. Could you describe it in another way? Thanks.
> > It would be smart to allow users to configure toolbar items such as "Automatically save bookmark to list" and "Save bookmarks as private" etc...
======> You can set "save bookmarks as private" in Diigo toolbar ==>Diigo button ==>Options ==>Bookmark and highlight tab
Automatically save bookmark to list ===> We still can't find enough use case for this feature. We'd like to know more about your case.
> SUGGESTION #1: CONFIGURABLE DEFAULTS > The quick save option provides some of this capability, but doesn't provide enough flexibility. So extra steps are required to use the standard bookmar save button because DIIGO TOOLBAR DEFAULTS ARE NOT CONFIGURABLE. (This makes it more difficult (and less likely that users) take the time to properly tag and build the Diigo public / private database.)
======> You can set "save bookmarks as private" in Diigo toolbar ==>Diigo button ==>Options ==>Bookmark and highlight tab
> SUGGESTION #2: DIIGO TOOLBAR IS MISSING A BOOKMARK STATUS INDICATOR. > When browsing to a page, shouldn't the Diigo toolbar somehow indicate that the current page being viewed has already been bookmarked by me? I know that this info (and more) is displayed in the Diigo sidebar "This URL" tab, but the sidebar is not usually open. =========> If you already bookmark a page, the book icon besides Bookmark button will be changed to a red book icon.
> SUGGESTION #3: BOOKMARK BUTTON USER SHOULD DISPLAY USERS PRIVATE TAGS > (I know they appear once you remember the first letter of the tags, but when multi-tagging, you still have to remember all the tags you want to apply.) I love the way the way all the recommended tags show up when clicking the Bookmarks button on the toolbar. It's a shame that above that (or below that) a list of "My Tags" does not show up the same maner. That way a user could easily visually click select his own relevant tags without having to remember them and type them in one by one. (Much easier to select an apply all tags that apply.
====> We make a compromise here. Display the recommended tags but don't display My tags. Normally, My tags number is very big and it's not easy to show them but keep a clean UI in a small bookmark window.
> I also did notice that at times, the highlighting feature does not seem to always work in Firefox. I believe they save OK, but just don't always re-appear. HOWEVER... I'm led to believe that this issue has something to do with another totally unrelated plugin (non diigo) which is ultimately responsible for this.
===> If you experience this problem next time, please let me know the URL and the highlighted content.
Overall, this is an excellent implementation of bookmarking on steroids!
YOU ASKED FOR MORE SPECIFICS ABOUT THE PROBLEM: The problem I was referring to was relative to the "dropdown box" that appears when you click on Diigo bookmarks and then select "add to a list." The dropdown / combo box) that appears does not look the same as the "share to a group" box. Unlike the"share to a group" box, nothing appears in the "add to a list" box when it is first displayed. (The width is ok, but the height is almost non-existant. I think it's because the "share to a group" box first opens and displays the "-------------------" where as nothing at all shows up in the "add to list box" when it is first opened. (As a selection is made in the "add to list" box it then appears correctly. )
USER GUI ISSUE REVISITED: Being and avid bookmarker, the way the bookmark button in the toolbar currently works ends up in being a rather INCONVENIENCE FOR PRIVATE BOOKMARKING. I'm sure I'm not alone in my assessment.
When saving and tagging bookmarks, presently, I'm left with two options. (Even though the bookmark list field pulls up / remembers my personal tag naming conventions as I begin to enter them in the tags field....)
Without a visual representation of my tags to "click-select."... Private bookmark / taggers are left with the following scenario......
1.) They have to think.. Did I apply all the appropriate tags? (Since I can't see them there there's a significant probability that I'm going to miss one.)
2.) Or they can say, "screw the tags!" I'll go back later and properly categorize them. That adds a huge extra step. And even if I choose to do this, when editing the system defaults to totally replace tags, instead of adding to them. (So here I run the risk of deleting any previously applied tags by accident.
3.) The last option is to use meaningless "speedkey" prefixed tags which I will explain below.
Before I get to that, I understand your logic for keeping the gui clean. But I sincerely feel this is viewed as a major drawback for many users who are used to seeing their tags (in button form) right in front of them.
Choosing to only show public tag buttons on the bookmarks button definitely does help to normalize tags amongst diigo users, and that makes perfect sense. But not having this feature available for private tagging definitely puts private "bookmarkers" (for research purposes etc.) at a disadvantage which could lead them to choosing an alternative solution.
- MAKE IT EASY, AND MINIMIZE THE CHANCE TO MAKE MISTAKES IS THE ONLY VIABLE SOLUTION TO ALL OF THIS... Remember, many of your users are data junkies so they probably have a lot of stuff to bookmark, and that takes time to do it right They also have their own naming conventions for private tags which would be meaningless the the general population. In current form, I'm going to resort to using meaningless tags prefixed with "speedkeys" such as "-" and "=" which are meaningless to most. But at least that will bring up a full list of tags I can choose from. (Since buttons are not there for me to easily remember / select.)
Ultimately bookmarkers actually have four choices if they want to use this tool for research and private bookmarkings etc.
1.) Quick save, (using defaults available) with the intentions of going back an wasting time editing each save.
2.) Applying appropriate tags (mostly from memory, because I have to remember the first letter in the tags to bring it up.)
3.) Save to a group or a list instead - But here I have to click an extra check-box, make a selection and then go back and do the re-edit thing which wastes time. (This only allows the user to apply one list / group so it's not really even a solution.
4.) HERE'S MY CURRENT SOLUTION... Use meaningless tags (prefix a normal tag with a speedkey as mentioned above. (This way, at least the users entire list of private tags appears from which he/she can choose. (CURRENTLY THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST EFFICIENT SOLUTION AROUND NOT SHOWING PRIVATE BUTTONS. But it still makes a mockery out of viable naming conventions, and how silly will things look if these private bookmarks are later made public?)
Didn't hear from you after responding to the request for more info on the Toolbar Quirks / Issues thing. Just wanted to make sure you saw my reply. (& help improve this solid tool for all users!)
started by Robert T on 10 Feb 09
It is necessary to select the list box to bring up the list. (which, by the way first comes up a little messed up until a list item is selected)
It would be smart to allow users to configure toolbar items such as "Automatically save bookmark to list" and "Save bookmarks as private" etc...
SUGGESTION #1: CONFIGURABLE DEFAULTS
The quick save option provides some of this capability, but doesn't provide enough flexibility. So extra steps are required to use the standard bookmar save button because DIIGO TOOLBAR DEFAULTS ARE NOT CONFIGURABLE. (This makes it more difficult (and less likely that users) take the time to properly tag and build the Diigo public / private database.)
SUGGESTION #2: DIIGO TOOLBAR IS MISSING A BOOKMARK STATUS INDICATOR.
When browsing to a page, shouldn't the Diigo toolbar somehow indicate that the current page being viewed has already been bookmarked by me? I know that this info (and more) is displayed in the Diigo sidebar "This URL" tab, but the sidebar is not usually open.
ADDED BONUS HERE: STATUS INDICATOR WOULD CONFIRM SUCCESSFUL BOOKMARK SAVE! (I'm not comfortable "hoping" that my bookmark saved OK... I want to be sure!)
SUGGESTION #3: BOOKMARK BUTTON USER SHOULD DISPLAY USERS PRIVATE TAGS
(I know they appear once you remember the first letter of the tags, but when multi-tagging, you still have to remember all the tags you want to apply.)
I love the way the way all the recommended tags show up when clicking the Bookmarks button on the toolbar. It's a shame that above that (or below that) a list of "My Tags" does not show up the same maner. That way a user could easily visually click select his own relevant tags without having to remember them and type them in one by one. (Much easier to select an apply all tags that apply.
PS:
I also did notice that at times, the highlighting feature does not seem to always work in Firefox. I believe they save OK, but just don't always re-appear. HOWEVER... I'm led to believe that this issue has something to do with another totally unrelated plugin (non diigo) which is ultimately responsible for this.
> When using the diigo toolbar to save bookmarks, every time i want to save bookmark into a list (or group) for that matter... (which is the way I have chosen to "pre-categorize" bookmarks to go back and add tags later) It is necessary to select the list box to bring up the list. (which, by the way first comes up a little messed up until a list item is selected)
=====> I don't quite understand the problem. Could you describe it in another way? Thanks.
> > It would be smart to allow users to configure toolbar items such as "Automatically save bookmark to list" and "Save bookmarks as private" etc...
======> You can set "save bookmarks as private" in Diigo toolbar ==>Diigo button ==>Options ==>Bookmark and highlight tab
Automatically save bookmark to list ===> We still can't find enough use case for this feature. We'd like to know more about your case.
> SUGGESTION #1: CONFIGURABLE DEFAULTS
> The quick save option provides some of this capability, but doesn't provide enough flexibility. So extra steps are required to use the standard bookmar save button because DIIGO TOOLBAR DEFAULTS ARE NOT CONFIGURABLE. (This makes it more difficult (and less likely that users) take the time to properly tag and build the Diigo public / private database.)
======> You can set "save bookmarks as private" in Diigo toolbar ==>Diigo button ==>Options ==>Bookmark and highlight tab
> SUGGESTION #2: DIIGO TOOLBAR IS MISSING A BOOKMARK STATUS INDICATOR.
> When browsing to a page, shouldn't the Diigo toolbar somehow indicate that the current page being viewed has already been bookmarked by me? I know that this info (and more) is displayed in the Diigo sidebar "This URL" tab, but the sidebar is not usually open.
=========> If you already bookmark a page, the book icon besides Bookmark button will be changed to a red book icon.
> SUGGESTION #3: BOOKMARK BUTTON USER SHOULD DISPLAY USERS PRIVATE TAGS
> (I know they appear once you remember the first letter of the tags, but when multi-tagging, you still have to remember all the tags you want to apply.) I love the way the way all the recommended tags show up when clicking the Bookmarks button on the toolbar. It's a shame that above that (or below that) a list of "My Tags" does not show up the same maner. That way a user could easily visually click select his own relevant tags without having to remember them and type them in one by one. (Much easier to select an apply all tags that apply.
====> We make a compromise here. Display the recommended tags but don't display My tags. Normally, My tags number is very big and it's not easy to show them but keep a clean UI in a small bookmark window.
> I also did notice that at times, the highlighting feature does not seem to always work in Firefox. I believe they save OK, but just don't always re-appear. HOWEVER... I'm led to believe that this issue has something to do with another totally unrelated plugin (non diigo) which is ultimately responsible for this.
===> If you experience this problem next time, please let me know the URL and the highlighted content.
Thanks
Overall, this is an excellent implementation of bookmarking on steroids!
YOU ASKED FOR MORE SPECIFICS ABOUT THE PROBLEM:
The problem I was referring to was relative to the "dropdown box" that appears when you click on Diigo bookmarks and then select "add to a list." The dropdown / combo box) that appears does not look the same as the "share to a group" box. Unlike the"share to a group" box, nothing appears in the "add to a list" box when it is first displayed. (The width is ok, but the height is almost non-existant. I think it's because the "share to a group" box first opens and displays the "-------------------" where as nothing at all shows up in the "add to list box" when it is first opened. (As a selection is made in the "add to list" box it then appears correctly. )
USER GUI ISSUE REVISITED:
Being and avid bookmarker, the way the bookmark button in the toolbar currently works ends up in being a rather INCONVENIENCE FOR PRIVATE BOOKMARKING. I'm sure I'm not alone in my assessment.
When saving and tagging bookmarks, presently, I'm left with two options. (Even though the bookmark list field pulls up / remembers my personal tag naming conventions as I begin to enter them in the tags field....)
Without a visual representation of my tags to "click-select."... Private bookmark / taggers are left with the following scenario......
1.) They have to think.. Did I apply all the appropriate tags? (Since I can't see them there there's a significant probability that I'm going to miss one.)
2.) Or they can say, "screw the tags!" I'll go back later and properly categorize them. That adds a huge extra step. And even if I choose to do this, when editing the system defaults to totally replace tags, instead of adding to them. (So here I run the risk of deleting any previously applied tags by accident.
3.) The last option is to use meaningless "speedkey" prefixed tags which I will explain below.
Before I get to that, I understand your logic for keeping the gui clean. But I sincerely feel this is viewed as a major drawback for many users who are used to seeing their tags (in button form) right in front of them.
Choosing to only show public tag buttons on the bookmarks button definitely does help to normalize tags amongst diigo users, and that makes perfect sense. But not having this feature available for private tagging definitely puts private "bookmarkers" (for research purposes etc.) at a disadvantage which could lead them to choosing an alternative solution.
- MAKE IT EASY, AND MINIMIZE THE CHANCE TO MAKE MISTAKES IS THE ONLY VIABLE SOLUTION TO ALL OF THIS... Remember, many of your users are data junkies so they probably have a lot of stuff to bookmark, and that takes time to do it right They also have their own naming conventions for private tags which would be meaningless the the general population. In current form, I'm going to resort to using meaningless tags prefixed with "speedkeys" such as "-" and "=" which are meaningless to most. But at least that will bring up a full list of tags I can choose from. (Since buttons are not there for me to easily remember / select.)
Ultimately bookmarkers actually have four choices if they want to use this tool for research and private bookmarkings etc.
1.) Quick save, (using defaults available) with the intentions of going back an wasting time editing each save.
2.) Applying appropriate tags (mostly from memory, because I have to remember the first letter in the tags to bring it up.)
3.) Save to a group or a list instead - But here I have to click an extra check-box, make a selection and then go back and do the re-edit thing which wastes time. (This only allows the user to apply one list / group so it's not really even a solution.
4.) HERE'S MY CURRENT SOLUTION... Use meaningless tags (prefix a normal tag with a speedkey as mentioned above. (This way, at least the users entire list of private tags appears from which he/she can choose. (CURRENTLY THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST EFFICIENT SOLUTION AROUND NOT SHOWING PRIVATE BUTTONS. But it still makes a mockery out of viable naming conventions, and how silly will things look if these private bookmarks are later made public?)
Just food for thought!
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Didn't hear from you after responding to the request for more info on the Toolbar Quirks / Issues thing.
Just wanted to make sure you saw my reply. (& help improve this solid tool for all users!)
Thanks,
& Thanks for Diigo!