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Harold Brown ~ ARZone Chat Transcript of 16/17 October 2010 - Animal Rights Zone - 0 views

  • In my opinion there isn't a heck of a lot of difference between these "animal protection" organizations and the industry and its proxies. Another way to think of this situation is what we have seen in the environmental movement since the 1980's. What I have observed is that once any organization grows to a certain critical mass things change. There is always a disconnect from the grassroots and survival of the corporate entity is job one. It was a back room trade off. An "I'll scratch your back, you scratch mine." The industry is changing of its own volition due to recent developments in animal husbandry and the re-engineering of the animals them selves. As far as I know these "animal protection" organizations have never put into print, spoke of or promoted animal rights. It is the media that has conflated these animal husbandry reform organizations with animal rights and many well meaning activists become confused and support them thinking that they are convertly animal rights organizations.
  • You talk about cattle and dairy culture being validated by TV advertisements; about a dominating culture of indoctrination; and how frightening social change can seem.
  • Where the animal movement has gone wrong for over 30 years is the story they shared. It is a message of suffering, cruelty and harm.
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  • what Will Tuttle calls radical inclusion. 
  • rom the other side of the fence and I knew that
  • Guilt and shame never changed anyone’s heart or mind.
  • They now have a new sow that gives birth to about 20 piglets and that her body size is such that the old crates are too small, that they literally won't fit into the old crates.
  • There is NO humane solution to dairy other than just making it stop
  • that most calves are sent to auction 24-72 hours after birth.
  • the coming convergence of global warming, peak oil, population growth, ecological disaster and other factors will force a remedy upon us. 
  • I am the eternal optimist and believe that people are capable of great things if given the opportunity. I have seen it time and again. It is about creating a safe place and a community where people can come and deconstruct their indoctrination.
  • I think it is important that although you may want to give up cheese it isn't all your fault that you can't, despite your will power.  there is a component in the protein of milk called casomorphine.  Yup, morphine.  You are addicted as are so many vegetarians that want to eat a plant based diet.  It is a tough addiction to break but to be informed  goes a long way.  One we understand that there isn't anything in any animal product that we need then it is recognized that it is only a want. Wants are easy to leave behind.
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lanacion.cl: Perras - 1 views

  • Hasta ese momento sólo había una víctima: la perra Bombón, que Paola había comprado cuando vivían en los suburbios, y que Camila odiaba, y que todos menos Paola nos opusimos a que viniera al edificio de San Isidro. Muy a pesar de Paola, la pobre Bombón (con quien yo me había encariñado) se quedó en los jardines de la casa en los suburbios.
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la HUSU no destina el dinero q recauda a los shelters locales - 0 views

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    "That poll also shows that 59 percent believe the group gives "most of its money" to local pet shelters. That's false, too. In fact, hands-on dog and cat shelters at the local level received less than 1 percent of the $86 million HSUS raised in 2008.
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No a cambios a la Ley de Maltrato de Animales - Primerahora.com - 0 views

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    Al considerar como un error que la ley sea menos estricta para quienes abusan de los animales, éstos abogaron por más recursos económicos para aquellos que día a día hacen mucho con poco por el bien de los animales que han sido abandonados por sus dueños. Igualmente, recomendaron la creación de programas de esterilización gratuita ante el número alarmante de perros y gatos que viven en la calle y se reproducen de forma desmedida.
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