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Terry Elliott

Enough About Getting Rid of 'dave': Exploring Spontaneity and the Metaphor of the Gardn... - 3 views

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shared by Terry Elliott on 09 May 15 - No Cached
  • But I think that Dave has just shown us that it is possible in an online environment.
    • Terry Elliott
      Terry Elliott on 09 May 15
       
      I don't always feel that way.  Sometimes I feel it is a guiding hand, but after two of these rhizo things I am beginning to think of it as a shving hand in a cattle chute.  The chutes only appear down, but the binaries still suggest two paths:  objective/subjective, content/no content,  dave/no dave and whatever the hell the other one was.  This is not rhizomatic teaching.  
    • Terry Elliott
      Terry Elliott on 09 May 15
       
      Is it?
  • Dave has done a good job of modeling rhizomatic teaching
    • Terry Elliott
      Terry Elliott on 09 May 15
       
      Not really too sure about this. He creates a binary and expects us to reconcile it.  And then where does that takes us as far as a rhizomatic practice is concerned?  Not very far at all.  
    • Terry Elliott
      Terry Elliott on 09 May 15
       
      I think that Dave stages the even well, but does not follow through
  • the teacher is the gardener
    • Terry Elliott
      Terry Elliott on 09 May 15
       
      If Dave is the Gardener,then the way he weeds is to point to the weed and say, "Isn't that interesting?".  Irresponsible?  Unethical? Bait and switch?  Not sure.  Personally, I am much more drawn to Heraclitus and Voltaire. For the latter the world is in flux and idiosyncratic as can be and for the latter he has Candide say, "That is very well put, but we muct cultivate our garden."  We must be our own gardeners.  
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  • #rhizo15 needs Dave Cormier
    • Terry Elliott
      Terry Elliott on 09 May 15
       
  • I have some kind of sense for it
    • Terry Elliott
      Terry Elliott on 09 May 15
       
      Better off trusting this sense first and what the experts say a very distant fiftieth.
    • Terry Elliott
      Terry Elliott on 09 May 15
       
      And those experts include anyone giving unsolicited advice like me.
  • Enough
    • Terry Elliott
      Terry Elliott on 09 May 15
       
    • Terry Elliott
      Terry Elliott on 09 May 15
       
      Sometimes I have had enough of Dave.  
  • Deleuze and Guattari
  • we should get rid of dave
    • Terry Elliott
      Terry Elliott on 09 May 15
       
    • Terry Elliott
      Terry Elliott on 09 May 15
       
      Wait for it....
  • spontaneity
    • Terry Elliott
      Terry Elliott on 09 May 15
       
      Dunno, the videos seem pretty scripted to me.  He has an agenda and wants to get it out there.  The community has been guided by each week's prompts, using it as a jumping off point but not really going too far from fold.  I wanted to see much more rebellion and spontaneous, adhoc-osity.  I tried, but no one paid me any mind.  Par.
  • Of course it is the gardner who decides between the weeds and “flowers”, sets the parameters of the garden, and ultimately decides who lives and who dies – but that is my next blog post.
    • Terry Elliott
      Terry Elliott on 09 May 15
       
      I agree that the gardener controls but I think it is illusory.  Who plucks the gardener? Who tends the gardener? Who weeds the gardener?  The gardener lives in a larger system that subsumes the garden, a larger Garden.  The gardener thinks he is managing the complexity that is the garden.  Fools paradise for a sock puppet?  
  • Spontaneity and the Metaphor of the Gardner
    • Terry Elliott
      Terry Elliott on 09 May 15
       
    • Terry Elliott
      Terry Elliott on 09 May 15
       
    • Terry Elliott
      Terry Elliott on 09 May 15
       
      Is this spontaneous and rhizomatic?
Cris Crissman

Opening Up the Garden | Virtually Foolproof - 2 views

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garden uncertainty

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  • Cris Crissman on 04 Feb 14
     
    So how many MOOCs can I address in one post? Going for my personal record ;-) My Week 3, Embracing Uncertainty post.
Cris Crissman

do you know networks? on leaving the Garden of Eden | the theoryblog - 0 views

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networks garden eden stewart

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  • Cris Crissman on 11 Feb 14
     
    Bonnie Stewart response to Week 4 question: Do books make us stupid.
Heli Nurmi

Wanna do a cMOOC? | doublemirror - 5 views

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  • Matthias Melcher – he made it so easy to follow everyone’s blogs
    • wayupnorth
      wayupnorth on 20 Mar 14
       
      That was a huge contribution Matthias made to help tie Rhizo14 together. Although later in the course, when it became impossible for me to keep up with all the blog posts, I opted for the narrower conversation on Facebook as my link - even that subset exceeded my capacity
  • power is not due to the technology or its design, but to the actual people involved
    • wayupnorth
      wayupnorth on 20 Mar 14
       
      strongly agree - although the ds106 assignment bank is an outstanding design element
  • So, when I did DS106 as a course for the first time in 2013, life was already set up in such a way that I could give it my full attention.
    • wayupnorth
      wayupnorth on 21 Mar 14
       
      This helps understand the author's perspective. Not everyone in an open online course shares that life-setup. Many are trying to squeeze learning into the varying cracks between other overlapping committments.
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  • So, what was Rhizo14 setting out to create? A one of what? Stephen uses his own courses as an example
    • wayupnorth
      wayupnorth on 21 Mar 14
       
      I have a great deal of respect for Stephen, and enjoyed his talk at Vlaencia (referenced in this blog) immensely. It seemed to me though, that he was explaining a landscape rather than prescribing a recipe for a MOOC. Might it be better to examine Rhizo14 in light of what Dave Cormier says about it, rather than force it to be scrutinized through the lens of questions raised by Steven Downes' lecture? Dave Cormier at MIT "MOOCs as a selfish enterprise" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Smt8lsPU_Mo If any "making one" objective(s) existed in Rhizo14, it(they) would be very subjective. Dave says he threw a party to see if anyone would come. I certainly participated as part of my process of "becoming", but without conciously adding "...one of X". I just know by experience that by "hanging out" with groups like this, I am able to do interesting things in teaching that I had not deliberately set out to learn (and I borrow that articulation from Dave Cormier), so from time to time I keep engaging with communities and courses that interest me. Some others have expressed or evidenced more clearly defined objectives - academic research, webtool development, and building a PLN are some examples.
    • Heli Nurmi
      Heli Nurmi on 07 Mar 15
       
      I agree with you that Dave is defferent from S.D. and rhizo should be described with Dave's terms
  • If my need for inclusion had been high, then I think I would have felt excluded from what some called Rhizo14FB.
    • wayupnorth
      wayupnorth on 21 Mar 14
       
      This again gives us insight into the writer's perspective. It is a valid attitude, but important to recognize. Consciously looking through the same lens will keep a reader who experienced Rhizo14 differently from too easily dismissing parts of the critique that do not resonate with herm.
  • They did what humans do so well in new situations: gather in their tribes and by definition exclude those not in their tribe, or try to ‘convince’ those outside ‘it’ to join it;
  • batting the ideas back and forth in order to win the game.
  • The design of Rhizo14, I have to assume, is the current state of what Dave as an educational technologist believes works for massive open online courses.
    • wayupnorth
      wayupnorth on 21 Mar 14
       
      After listening to Dave Cormier, I have to challenge this assumption. What I hear from him suggests that Dave is very much aware that he is still trying to find out what "works".
    • Heli Nurmi
      Heli Nurmi on 07 Mar 15
       
      I thought that rhizo14 was Dave's first try to facilitate a MOOC his first own experiment
  • diversity was managed out through a group dynamic that excluded what the majority did not approve
    • Heli Nurmi
      Heli Nurmi on 07 Mar 15
       
      I agree = saw this happen, all norms are not written, they can be strong without it
  • I did not see much by way of supporting the importance of diversity in action rather than theory.
    • Heli Nurmi
      Heli Nurmi on 07 Mar 15
       
      very true in my eyes too
  • people left and may have been silenced by a vocal minority
  • gossiping about other participants
    • Heli Nurmi
      Heli Nurmi on 07 Mar 15
       
      and this still praised as a good strategy - a year after the end of the studies
  • but Rhizo14 as an experiment on the future of higher education as a whole is not what the originators intend
    • wayupnorth
      wayupnorth on 21 Mar 14
       
      This critique of Rhizo14 accuses it of not producing what it was not intended to produce. Seems a bit like criticizing an alligator because, while it has great hide, it makes an unsatisfactory mount since it was never intended to be a horse. I understand the author's dissatisfaction with the course. Rhizo14 neither met expectations nor satisfied any personal objectives. A dissenting opinion eloquently expressed is very valuable. The underlying tone of the post, however, carries a distinctly subjective disapproval or dismissal of anyone who has received satisfaction in their own experience in Rhizo14. The author speaks repeatedly of observing attempts to silence or marginalize those who did not buy into the opinions of the majority. Yet the author engages in a similar tactic against possible critics.
    • anonymous
      anonymous on 21 Mar 14
       
      I hope that after my comment on my blog this feeling has eased in you. I absolutely did not intend to disapprove or dismiss any individual. I disagree with some of the choices made in design and educator intervention precisely because I feel they closed down the possibility of having a space where multiple perspective could be held openly without the need for filtering through an agree/disagree frame. This led to people who we could all have learnt from leaving and I was sad about this. Also - just for clarity I was not at all dissatisfied with the course. It was set up as an experiment and I love experiments. I was dissatisfied with our human inability create more silence and space for listening and the compulsive drive to talk. Nick put it beautifully in his blog: "that kind of dialogue. It is a way of being that one has to learn, but seems to me to be integral to what we might call "deep" learnign. The word retreat is interesting, one of the first pre-requisites of that dialogue is to shut up and listen. Online you are largely characterised by the noise you make, the text you generate. Silence online transmutes to a lack of presence, and described as "lurking". Lurk has too many negative associations to be reframed. But we do have the right to remain silent! Another issue, as you observe, is that dialogue is not transactional, but online interaction does very often seem to devolve to that kind of behaviour…" http://avisodemiranda.wordpress.com/2014/02/14/marram-grass/ I chose to create the space I needed for learning and this may be meant I chose 'no intervention' when intervention may have benefitted us all. I need to take time to reflect on this. I will leave it here for now, let's see if this is a space for us to engage before I spend any more time here :)
    • Heli Nurmi
      Heli Nurmi on 07 Mar 15
       
      Mariana speaks so well but why it is so challenging to hear, I am wondering after reading these notes
  • what he created with CCK08
  • own work in self-managed learning
  • I recognise this clearly from my
    • Heli Nurmi
      Heli Nurmi on 07 Mar 15
       
      I recognise this too and this reminds the storming phase of group process. You must be strong as a facilitator to receive all the complaints. It is a normal phase as long as education is in movement
  • You were definitely the right kind of ‘one’ if you believed in emergence, non-linearity, poetry and art rather than theory and explanation.
    • Heli Nurmi
      Heli Nurmi on 07 Mar 15
       
      you said that better than I could, thanks
  • to connect with ‘old MOOC friends’ no mention of rhizomes of the metaphorical or garden variety.
    • Heli Nurmi
      Heli Nurmi on 07 Mar 15
       
      I belong to this group
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