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Chris Long

Freud on Beauty - The Digital Dialogue - 0 views

  • 1. Freud departs from the consideration of the beautiful within a distinctly modern position, associating aesthetics with the field that studies the "feeling" of the beautiful. This is quite different from say the Greek conception of the beautiful. 2. This modern handling of the beautiful is also seen in Freud's separation of the beautiful from knowledge or truth, again by his emphasis on its lack of usefulness and status as a feeling. 3. Freud places the beautiful within a long list of defenses, sublimations, and repressions that redirect our true libidinal impulses. He counts beauty as a derivation of sexual gratification, as a milder form of substitute intoxication that helps make the pain of life and its refusal to grant maximum pleasure, acceptable.
  • Thus there is in Freud an interesting, if inverted, parallel to the Greek (especially Platonic) conception of Beauty here on the one hand, and a clear manifestation of its modern development through the rise of the science of aesthetics and positivism. Freud seems uncertain about what else psychoanalytic theory can say about beauty. However, if he were to borrow from this Greek tradition, rather than from its modern development, he might be tempted to suggest that beauty is not so much a distraction from the truth of psychoanalytic theory, but the light that shines in the very confrontation of the conscious with the unconscious, and the intoxicating emergence of a truth (not a substitute feeling) that we find there
    • Chris Long
       
      There are a number of important issues here: 1) Anamnesis versus the Freudian unconscious - to what degree is the unconscious in Freud dependent on a modern conception of subjectivity? 2) Can we bring the notion of feeling into relation to truth here? 3) The role of Eros in Plato and Freud.
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    "Thus there is in Freud an interesting, if inverted, parallel to the Greek (especially Platonic) conception of Beauty here on the one hand, and a clear manifestation of its modern development through the rise of the science of aesthetics and positivism. Freud seems uncertain about what else psychoanalytic theory can say about beauty. However, if he were to borrow from this Greek tradition, rather than from its modern development, he might be tempted to suggest that beauty is not so much a distraction from the truth of psychoanalytic theory, but the light that shines in the very confrontation of the conscious with the unconscious, and the intoxicating emergence of a truth (not a substitute feeling) that we find there."
Chris Long

Poetically, Man Dwells - The Digital Dialogue - 0 views

  • I want to seize upon this "oceanic feeling" that Freud rejects as a cause of religious sentiment and investigate its significance further. In fact, it seems to me that the inspiration for all poetry might very well have its source in this feeling
  • Wallace Stevens blurs the distinction between emotions, the inner world, and the environment, the outer world
  • That was not ours although we understood,
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    • Chris Long
       
      Perhaps we can discuss this post with that of Joe Balay Freud on Beauty.
  • Art is a form of communication, one which enables greater understanding among people
    • Chris Long
       
      Let's investigate the Death instinct and Eros, p. 77, 80ff.
  • And so, the distinction between the destructive impulse and Eros could perhaps be more accurately characterized as a distinction between the destructive impulse and the creative impulse.
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    I want to seize upon this "oceanic feeling" that Freud rejects as a cause of religious sentiment and investigate its significance further. In fact, it seems to me that the inspiration for all poetry might very well have its source in this feeling.
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