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How To Save Energy Using A Smart Strip Power Strip - 0 views

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    How smart power strips work to save energy.
tony curzon price

BBC NEWS | Programmes | More Or Less | Counting the Kilowatts - 0 views

  • How much energy does Britain use - and how much could we generate without burning fossil fuels? Physics professor David MacKay has been doing the sums.
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    David interviewed on BBC radio about Energy Without Hot Air
tony curzon price

Ch 15 Page 93: Sustainable Energy - without the hot air - 0 views

  • Dieter Helm and his colleagues in Oxford estimate that under a correct account, allowing for imports and exports, Britain’s carbon foot- print is nearly doubled from the official “11 tons CO2e per person” to about 21 tons. This implies that the biggest item in the average British person’s energy footprint is the energy cost of making imported stuff.
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    Energy cost of imports are large. This introduces the WTO issue of discriminating goods on the basis of how they are made
anonymous

Ch 15 Page 92: Sustainable Energy - without the hot air - 0 views

  • Figure 15.8. Energy requirements of different forms of freight-transport. The vertical coordinate shows the energy consumed in kWh per net ton-km, (that is, the energy per t-km of freight moved, not including the weight of the vehicle). See also figure 20.23 (energy requirements of passenger transport).
    • anonymous
       
      According to http://www.freightonrail.org.uk/FactsFigures.htmrail freight carries 12% of the national total. How far can this be increased?
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    The railway can be added to the bicycle as a real miracle of efficiency
tony curzon price

Ch 11 Page 70: Sustainable Energy - without the hot air - 0 views

  • Xbox1602.4 Sony Playstation 31902 Nintendo Wii182
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    Yet more reason to prefer the Wii to its competitors -- how did Sony and Microsoft manage to make inferiro products that consume 10 times more energy?
dave woolcock

Ch 11 Page 69: Sustainable Energy - without the hot air - 0 views

  • I think that it’s a good idea to switch off such a charger – it will save you three pounds per year. But don’t kid yourself that you’ve “done your bit” by so doing.
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    More phone-charger myths & how to think about switching off. I objected earlier to David's objection to the statement that "every little bit helps." Here I am 100% with him -- the little bit can give you sich a good feeling of greewash that there is no reason to do anymore.
tony curzon price

Energy group read, week 5. Heat, hydro and light (oD) - 0 views

  • We use about as much to heat and cool ourselves (in Britain) as we use to move around in our cars, while lighting uses onlu a graction of that energy - especially using low energy fluorescent bulbs or the new generation of LED lights. Hydro-electric power in Britain, however, even with generosity from the wet Highlands, will only deliver about one third of the small amount of energy we use to light ourselves. How unfortunate that such accidental power-concentrators as mountains and streams are not more plentiful, and not just, maybe, for the energy benefits.
David MacKay

Ch 7 Page 53: Sustainable Energy - without the hot air - 0 views

  • my own domestic gas consumption
    • Keith Bradbury
       
      What size house and how many occupants?
    • David MacKay
       
      88 square metres, 3-bedroom semi, one single occupant (GSOH, WTLM similar...)
David MacKay

Sustainable Energy - without the hot air: Ch 3 Page 30 - 0 views

  • It’s been estimated that making each unit of petrol requires an input of 1.4 units of oil and other primary fuels (Treloar et al., 2004).
    • tony curzon price
       
      Just to be clear: this means that if I have 2.4 units of "primary fuels" (whatever they are), then I can expect to get 1 unit of petrol out. Quetion -- those 1.4 units ... are they _consumed_ in the refinery process, or are they partly bye-products that can be used for other things?
    • David MacKay
       
      No, not 2.4 units, 1.4 units!
  • The total amount of car travel in the UK is 686 billion passenger-km per year, which corresponds to an “average distance travelled by car per British person” of 30 km per day.
    • tony curzon price
       
      I tried to do a quick compare with France. This very attractive site: http://sansvoiture.free.fr/index.php?menu=textes&sousmenu=autodecroissance claims 14,000 km per car per year average. At one person per car, driving 250 days per year, we get to 56km per day on average. I was hoping to say: "High Speed Trains were planned for in 1974 in France; more than 30 years later, their logic becomes clear..." even if this is true, the averages here don't scream it out ...
  • I want to estimate the energy consumed by someone who chooses to drive
    • Ché Duro
       
      I like the idea here; I agree that 'averages' are abused. Somehow similar to everyone believing that they have above average driving skills. However it seems that in using a km/person/day value 66% greater than the average, the calculations later regarding necessary energy production are all suspect (because the total production is simply averaged to a kwh/person/day value). Considering how large a portion of our energy is used by cars, this choice is significant.
tony curzon price

Sustainable Energy - without the hot air: Ch 2 Page 23 - 0 views

  • United Kingdom
  • focus too much on economic feasibility and they miss the big picture.
    • tony curzon price
       
      This is a _very_ important point. I spent a long time as an economist working on energy and environment issues - but the detail often obscures rather than elucidates. The question to focus on for energy policy is what kind of world to aim for - one of radical simplicity, or one supporting the "moderately affluent lifestyles" that David takes as a benchmark. The economics can follow once the broad lines are set.
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    I do keep coming back to the question of the UK focus of the book. Here are some questions: - is the UK's case generalisable? (what would be the point of finding out the UK can live sustainably if the rest of the world can't?) - is this intended simply to make the numbers mean something more directly? - so ... I keep coming back to the question of how to get this book localised. Maybe, rather than having a blank wiki for each country, a wiki with the current text and all the national references highlighted, so it would be easy to know what numbers to go and work on ...
David MacKay

Sustainable Energy - without the hot air: Ch 1 Page 17 - 0 views

  • but you should find it easy to redo the calculations for whatever country or region you are interested in.
    • tony curzon price
       
      so ... how would we localise the book? presumably by hacing a wiki version where the numbers and countries could be changed.
    • David MacKay
       
      The book has indeed already got a wiki, with a page for every country, for anyone who wants to contribute country-information or country-calculations. www.withouthotair.com
    • tony curzon price
       
      got it - it is here: http://www.withouthotair.com/Wiki.html it would be great to see this happening. Tony
tony curzon price

Sustainable Energy - without the hot air: Ch 1 Page 18 - 0 views

  • “Okay – it’s agreed; we announce – ‘to do nothing is not an option!’ then we wait and see how things pan out...”
    • tony curzon price
       
      So common ... :)
Charles Moore

Sustainable Energy - without the hot air: Ch 1 Page 3 - 0 views

  • This heated debate is fundamentally about numbers.
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      It is also a political issue of trust in the government. There is a great write-up of the politics of the last UK energy review over here: http://www.opendemocracy.net/blog/ourkingdom-theme/paul-dorfman/2008/11/07/nuclear-consultation-public-trust-in-government There are 2 distinct issues: the truth of the matter (the numbers, what we are looking for in EWHA and the communication of the truth and value judgements based on the numbers. There has certainly been failure in the latter.
  • if everyone does a little, we’ll achieve only a little.
    • tony curzon price
       
      I have to disagree: some social effort aggregates. We all pay a bit of tax, but it amounts to quite a lot in the collective purse. Just one obvious example.
    • Charles Moore
       
      It depends on how each person's "little" is determined. If you make it a percentage of energy use it would be quite significant. If you take as your starting point a low income person changing to low energy light bulbs and extrapolate that up you would have quite a few people giving up intercontinental flights and maybe the odd Range Rover..
    • Michael Hunt
       
      Isn't the point that it makes sense to quantify the climate reduction impacts of actions so that when one alters one's behaviour in some respects, hoping to do "a little", that little has x% impact and not 0.00x% impact.
    • tony curzon price
       
      Both Charles' and Michael's points are about presentation of numbers, not impacts. I took David to be talking about changes to the physical world, not to the world of opinions. The logic of the "Tragedy of the commons" is that each person can take actions which individually seem harmless - or very low harm - but, when everyone performs them - add up to something substantial. Take throwing away litter as a (trivial but obvious) example - as someone said in NPR phone-in today ... despite all the good sentiment about collective action at the Obama inauguration, Washington was still covered in rubbish by the end of the day !
  • BP’s website
    • tony curzon price
       
      And remember that BP stands for "Beyond Petroleum" ... from the school of spin that says "if accused of x, simply assert that the opposite is the case".
dave woolcock

Ch 14 Page 87: Sustainable Energy - without the hot air - 0 views

  • Many tidal energy extraction systems are just extracting energy that would have been lost anyway in friction.
    • anonymous
       
      But what's the consequence of harvesting A LOT of tidal energy, aside from the Earth's rotation slowing down at a slightly higher rate. Smaller tides?
  • over 30 years.
    • anonymous
       
      Great case for the longevity of the technology.
    • dave woolcock
       
      I've been there and stood on it whilst waiting for the boats to pass through the lock :-) My French wasn't good enough to read the signs explaining how it works.
dave woolcock

Ch 21 Page 151: Sustainable Energy - without the hot air - 0 views

  • In Japan, thanks to strong legislation favouring effi- ciency improvements, heat pumps are now available with a coefficient of performance of 4.9.
    • dave woolcock
       
      Am I being cynical in guessing that these figures quoted for COP are peak or best figures? how does the COP vary with external air temperatures that we are likely to see in the UK?... I imagine it is easy and efficient to extract heat from warm air, but what matters is the range -5 to +15C... more COP data please. Otherwise its like car MPG figures.
dave woolcock

Ch 21 Page 153: Sustainable Energy - without the hot air - 0 views

  • For forest-dwellers, there’s wood. For everyone else, there’s heat pumps.
    • dave woolcock
       
      again the whole argument rests on how realistic his COP figures are.
  • 143The average internal temperature in British houses in 1970 was 13 °C! Source: Dept. of Trade and Industry (2002a, para 3.11)
    • dave woolcock
       
      I still don't believe it - do you?
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    So top-of-the-line air-source heat pumps for warming it is.
William Sigmund

Ch 18 Page 105: Sustainable Energy - without the hot air - 0 views

  • Power consumption per capita, versus GDP per capita,
    • dave woolcock
       
      Countries with nice warm climates should need less energy
  • Figure 30.1 (p231)
    • dave woolcock
       
      gives me Object not found error
    • William Sigmund
       
      Chapter 30 is not ready yet. Apologies!
  • The only notable ex- ception to the rule “big GDP implies big power consumption” is Hong Kong.
    • dave woolcock
       
      How much motorway driving occurs in HK? Compact urbanised countries need less road-miles
tony curzon price

Balance: thinly spread and unpopular | Energy group read - 0 views

  • March 30th 2009. Join the Group Read. Chapter 18. A first balance (Instructions on how to join are at the bottom of the original post) This is the first chapter attempting to balance-up consumption and production. While the story told so far of the raw energy potential from renewable sources shows an ecouragingly close race to maintain our rich lifestyles with sustainable energy sources, a little digging provides much disappointment. Between the potential and the realisation lies a factor of over 100! From a production potential of 180 kWh per day per person, we get to an actual production figure of just 1 kwh/d/p and a "realisable" estimate of 18 kwh/d/p---a full ten times less than our consumption. Looking at the heart of the physics problem, David MacKay points to the geographically diffuse nature of renewables: each person needs a huge amount of land, tidal exposure, wind per person to make the sums add up. The sustainable potentials, as David emphasises, need "country-sized solutions". "To get a big contribu- tion from wind, we used wind farms with the area of Wales. To get a big contribution from solar photovoltaics, we required half the area of Wales. To get a big contribution from waves, we imagined wave farms covering 500 km of coastline. To make energy crops with a big contribution, we took 75% of the whole country." Yet protection of species, habitats, nature, beauty etc. all move the same people who want to reduce fossil fuel dependency to limit the installations. Something will need to give to balance our energy ...
dave woolcock

Ch 18 Page 108: Sustainable Energy - without the hot air - 0 views

  • It’s been estimated that the average person’s lifestyle consumed a power of 20 kWh per day
  • I am partly driven to this conclusion by the chorus of opposition that greets any major renewable energy proposal. People love renewable energy, unless it is bigger than a figleaf.
    • anonymous
       
      This is key: how to balance local and national interest. Which one trumps and after what process? The populist urge is to give in to local objections. It's also partly about just getting used to things.
    • dave woolcock
       
      Exactly ! Something like a real 70s energy crisis would quickly change opinions though. At the moment it is far too easy to agree in principle with renewables, yet oppose them everywhere.
  • completely forested the country
    • dave woolcock
       
      sounds like a good investment for any otherwise non-productive land
David MacKay

Ch 24 Page 175: Sustainable Energy - without the hot air - 0 views

  • The nuclear decommissioning authority has an annual budget of £2 billion. In fact, this clean-up budget seems to rise and rise. The latest figure for the total cost of decommissioning is £73 billion. news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7215688.stm
    • Ché Duro
       
      Now why is this nearly 50% increase over the value quoted in the text tucked into the endnotes? If the text were emphasizing how great a cost this was, the end notes might be appropriate. However, the text main point is that it is a smaller 'subsidy' than that given wind generation.
    • David MacKay
       
      I added an erratum to the book trying to improve the accuracy of my discussion of the cost of nuclear decommissioning: my error was that I attributed the nuclear decomm. cost to civilian electricity generation, but in fact the lion's share of the clean-up cost is for military mess. C.Duro then posted a comment disputing this fact and accusing me of dishonest presentation. I stand by the fact: I got this same erratum twice from two independent sources, then checked it, and I don't think that the Telegraph article cited by C.Duro disproves the erratum. The lion's share (ie more than half) of the cost is for military clean-up.
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