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ty frederickson

Reasons for Reason - 5 views

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    My challenge to the other commenters-tell me why I must believe the truth. To be frank, although I think this was a nice piece that summed up skepticism in a nutshell, it really does not give me something I think I want- why I must believe the truth? It sounds like a logical fallacy of some sort, and maybe in the cold logic that our society follows it is a paradox, but that is the glaring question that I got out of this blog. To believe something and for it to be true is what constitutes knowledge, but why must I attain knowledge? Will it help me- obviously not according to the skeptics, as the truth of something is not something I can really determine on a large scale. We all like to think we're Heck, I could write a long essay on this and not produce a good answer to my question and that is my challenge to the other commenters-tell me why I must believe the truth. Truth is something we debate endlessly, but what is its value? Can I truly know something, if so then does that mean I understand it? I seriously doubt it, and that is because our definition of understanding is too narrow to constitute what I believe understanding is. I don't think I understand anything in its true form (a cave reference haha) and therefore I don't think I know anything but I do know that if I say "I don't know anything" I am saying a paradox as I know that I don't know anything. The real challenge is realizing how little I know, and figuring out what I do know Hope you guys can scratch out what I was trying to say in that mess.
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    While I understand everything (not in it's entirety ;) ) and have many thoughts to share, I struggle with putting these thoughts into words, so bear with me! ☺ Hareth, I'm incredibly excited by the notion you put forward regarding our extent of knowing. If we don't understand anything in it's entirety (which I believe, too) then we don't know much, do we? If we said we knew nothing, we would know that, so like you said it would be a paradox. I find it fascinating. I'm consistently reminded of a scene from this book I'm reading (or attempting to read!) called Invitation to a Beheading. In the text there's a reference to an extremely talented violinist who plays on a street corner. He plays this incredibly beautiful piece, but no one is there to hear it. Did it actually happen? He played the piece so it would be a truth, but if no one is there to appreciate it, does it lose its integrity? Does a truth lose its value if it's not immediately recognized as being a truth? As for why you should believe the truth, Hareth, I think beliefs make up a person. If we believe in nothing then what are we? It doesn't matter what you believe, but I think beliefs are the driving force behind people, they give us something to fight for and nurture. It gives us our 'humanity' if you will.
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    Hmm this is a tough one, nevertheless tally ho. What I obtained from the article is that not what we believe in is important but as long as we can reinforce it. This to me is the epitome of the way life is right now. From international politics to marketing a brand, it's all what one believes in and how they can reaffirm it to either themselves or others. But what I ask is how can it be that our views stand on the same equal foundation yet we can still argue amongst each other? If they were on the same level then surely we would be capable of seeing that we each have our own faults and success? If we deem ourselves as smart as we seem how come we haven't recognized this fact and mobilized onto it? In the article it states the need for a civil common currency in order to exist with different ideas. Yet as we can see in our world today that isn't working out as nicely. Perhaps the individual is more influential then we really presume.
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    Overall as Hareth mentioned this Article was good however I believe that the width the author chose to explain this topic was simply to narrow. The writer does a good job connecting the idea between scientific creationism and religious creationism and explains their issues within themselves that seem to be quite vital. However the author talking about the "skeptical challenge" raised some questions within my mind as how can something so vital for proving debate points, not only the creationism issue, but within political means go on within a spectrum of possibilities? Is this fair for societies? If we humans need to justify our epistemic principles from a common point of view because we need shared epistemic principles in order to even have a common point of view, wouldn't this mean that the religion is a book telling you how to follow a bunch of point of views the same with our science books? And why are we asking ourselves how the world was created? Shouldn't the real question be how did something come from nothing? Seriously how it is actually possible that all this came from nothing… it only breaks a few major laws in science.
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    Our strongest beliefs (truths) stem from our core epistemic principles; which are what tells us what is rational to believe. If a person believes that god created us, then his core epistemic principles is god, Christianity. His religion will tell him what is rational and what isn't, what to believe in and what contradicts his belief. He will view anyone who doubts his principle as irrational. It all comes down to the fact that no one can fully defend their most fundamental epistemic principles. Since we can't obviously prove out principles using the same method that we believe in, and we can't use another method because we would then have to validate this other method and we would just be going in a circular motion with no meaningful endpoint. Science is another core epistemic principle. It is taught by schools worldwide to millions of students every year. Science and religion cannot ever be compatible because the rationalisms of both are contradictory and sometimes paradoxical to the other. Did god create us? Or are we a product of natural evolution? Science is believed to be leading this battle, because through research and evidence collected would point it to be the more logical. Based on my core epistemic principles. I believe neither God nor Evolution explains how we came to be here, because there are so many unexplained variables that contradict both beliefs. For example if we are to entertain that we are product of Darwinism; then how come there is a huge gap in the evolutionary chain around 2 million years ago? In which after this period "primitive hominids appeared" out of nowhere…and also from a scientific standpoint, how can we really justify that the ancient Egyptians could build the pyramids without some divine intervention. I wont go into specifics but these points are large holes on both Darwinism and science. In terms of god, there is just no tangible evidence god exists. God is belief and belief has no meta
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    Hareth, I have thought a great deal about the question you proposed regarding whether or not knowing the truth is of any value. I certainly cannot convince you of the value in the pursuit, nor will I try; in fact, I offer that this search (or its value) is something that rarely can be instilled in another. You formulate an interesting hypothesis insofar that if discovering truth is unattainable, then "why bother?" Maybe a rejection of individual or societal purpose is the point. Uh oh. Now we have carved out another paradox. If rejection is the point and I reject the notion of finding a point, have I, in fact, found the point? When I was younger, I tended to believe that the purpose of life was undefinable (see without value) but not in a dark or macabre sort of way. I found this liberating actually and still do. This ideological subscription to a vast nothingness is at the heart of absurdism, and, as Camus tells us in the "rediscovery" of the Myth of Sisyphus, the moment we discover that the universe does not care about our needs, we find freedom. So, reject any sort of obligation to pursue the truth. Transcend the quagmire of philosophical "bleh" and embrace "life." Tell Socrates and his wrinkled old mantra "the unexamined life is not worth living" that the unexamined life is for amateurs. Wait, if you do that, aren't you actually examining life? Dang. Back to where we began.
ty frederickson

Rationalism Vs Empiricism - 3 views

Rationalism vs. Empiricism Although this is an overly simple generalisation, there are essentially two major schools of thought or theories about how we know things. If you study Philosophy at uni...

started by ty frederickson on 08 Dec 12 no follow-up yet
Mikaela Solberg

Argument, Truth and the Social Side of Reasoning - 4 views

We reason to win arguments rather than attaining the truth. * We have difficulty following the rules of deductive reasoning. * We make basic errors in statistical reasoning. * We are biased and f...

started by Mikaela Solberg on 10 Feb 13 no follow-up yet
ty frederickson

Truth: Can You Handle It? - 8 views

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    Welcome to diigo ToK All-Stars! This interesting article from the Washington Post is relevant to our developing discussion on truth, belief, information, and knowledge. You might relate to the research-related conflicts which get discussed In this easy-to-access article.
Aishwarya Leen

Rationalism vs Empericism - 7 views

started by Aishwarya Leen on 18 Jan 13 no follow-up yet
Ash Maher

Resistance is Futile - 28 views

After much thought I think I have processed this and have to say. You know what I think the issue is with "can or can we not make a difference" is. Its because we are so aimed at finding an answe...

Amal Waqar

Just thinking - 44 views

Beautifully put Ash, happiness really is in acceptance. Back to Dzaf's point, I think we can think in different ways, but are at risk at getting lost in the ideas we try to create. Madness, psychos...

Shubham Parashar

Assignment! - 51 views

Keep Your Head - Article Response Of what value are emotions in the learning process? Emotions affect the way we interpret a lot of things and the way take information into account. However essenti...

Amal Waqar

Reasons for Reason Handout - 6 views

truth science research problems philosophy

started by Amal Waqar on 03 Feb 13 no follow-up yet
ty frederickson

Schrodinger's Cat: Can two truths co-exist simultaneously? - 7 views

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    This thought experiment came up in ToK 2 today. Have a look at this sketch out . . . make sense? Any questions?
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    Is this not quantum suicide?
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    What is "quantum suicide?"
Ash Maher

Sept' 14th Diigo Response: Janice Stein on the ethics of responsibility and accountabil... - 5 views

Stein suggests that responsibility and accountability has changed in today's world. She highlights how we take these terms and use them according to the situation. She does this by alluding to the ...

started by Ash Maher on 14 Sep 13 no follow-up yet
Hareth Al-Maskari

Documentary on American Imperialism - 0 views

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    Good simple documentary on how the world is run.
ty frederickson

The Mathematics of War - 1 views

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    I intend to offer this to you in class; however, as time may not allow, Sean Gurley's discussion here is an interesting and unique insight relevant to the positivist approach to history insofar that historical events may be utilized to make predictions on future events.
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    A good statistic to keep in mind when analyzing any conflict. The question of what is an attack comes to mind, would 9/11 come under this? Would the Tet Offensive come under this definition of "attack"? If so, I think we have to consider the other side. I think his statistics were great, but I would like to see the other end. Maybe a series of statistics of the drone attacks? I think that the meaning of this video is good, but that statistics can be manipulated in many ways. Yes, the Serbs in Yugoslavia were massacring people in the thousands, it wasn't even safe to walk the streets, a nightmare of a state really. But one interesting statistic to consider is this one that I heard earlier: 14 tanks were destroyed by NATO bombings, 147 schools were destroyed by NATO bombings. Even if they're unoccupied, this is still a pretty inefficient method of warfare. Which raises the question, is there a proper way to fight war? Maybe Henry David Thoreau's idea of passive resistance works, but maybe events like the Sharpeville massacre prove it wrong. These sort of statistics are the most serious sort in a war, but not necessarily the most "truthful". In retrospect, I think that the writings of Robert Fisk are my favorite when it comes to covering war. This is because he focuses on the people on the ground, but not the soldiers, the ones who are the innocent victims of war. In conclusion, I think that this was an informative video, but one that I would consider a largely West-centric one at the same time.
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