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Was Jesus' Last Supper a Seder? - Biblical Archaeology Review - 0 views

  • Moreover, while the narrative in the synoptics situates the Last Supper during Passover, the fact remains that the only foods we are told the disciples ate are bread and wine—the basic elements of any formal Jewish meal.
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      This is the key for Jesus Followers. The rest is the "tradition of men". Ritualistic and rule-based religion is what the Scriptures repeatedly command Jesus Followers to gurad against when they get in the way of a saving relationship with a living God through the sacrifice of His Son's sinless life for "those who will believe" (Romans 10:9-10).
  • “Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, ‘Take, eat; this is my body.’ And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, ‘Drink of it, all of you, for this is my blood of the covenant’” (Matthew 26:26–28=Mark 14:22; see also Luke 22:19–20). Is this not a striking parallel to the ways in which Jews celebrating the Seder interpret, for example, the bitter herbs eaten with the Passover sacrifice as representing the bitter life the Israelites experienced as slaves in Egypt?
  • For many Jews (especially non-Orthodox Jews), the process of development continues, and many modern editions of the Haggadah contain contemporary readings of one sort or another. Even many traditional Jews have, for instance, adapted the Haggadah so that mention can be made of the Holocaust.8
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  • Almost everyone doing serious work on the early history of Passover traditions, including Joseph Tabory, Israel Yuval, Lawrence Hoffman, and the father-son team of Shmuel and Ze’ev Safrai, has rejected Finkelstein’s claims for the great antiquity of the bulk of the Passover Haggadah.
  • It’s not that rabbinic literature cannot be trusted to tell us about history in the first century of the Common Era. It’s that rabbinic literature—in the case of the Seder—does not even claim to be telling us how the Seder was performed before the destruction of the Temple.b
  • the Holy One, blessed be He
  • King of Kings, the Holy One Blessed be He
  • Might not Jesus be presenting a competing interpretation of these symbols? Possibly. But it really depends on when this Rabban Gamaliel lived. If he lived later than Jesus, then it would make no sense to view Jesus’ words as based on Rabban Gamaliel’s.
  • Virtually all scholars working today believe that the Haggadah tradition attributing the words quoted above to Gamaliel refers to the grandson, Rabban Gamaliel the Younger, who lived long after Jesus had died.14 One piece of evidence for this appears in the text quoted above, in which Rabban Gamaliel is said to have spoken of the time “when the Temple was still standing”—as if that time had already passed.
  • And presumably they would have engaged in conversation pertinent to the occasion. But we cannot know for sure.
  • Having determined that the Last Supper was not a Seder and that it probably did not take place on Passover, I must try to account for why the synoptic Gospels portray the Last Supper as a Passover meal.
  • Another motive relates to a rather practical question: Within a few years after Jesus’ death, Christian communities (which at first consisted primarily of Jews) began to ask when, how and even whether they should celebrate or commemorate the Jewish Passover
  • The Quartodeciman custom of celebrating Easter beginning on the evening following the 14th day apparently began relatively early in Christian history and persisted at least into the fifth century C.E.
  • Early on, a number of Christians—Quartodecimans and others—felt that the appropriate way to mark the Jewish Passover was not with celebration, but with fasting.
  • Thus, until Jesus’ kingdom is fulfilled, Christians should not celebrate at all during Passove
  • By calling the Last Supper a Passover meal, these Jewish-Christians were trying to limit Christian practice in three ways. Like the Passover sacrifice, the recollection of the Last Supper could only be celebrated in Jerusalem, at Passover time, and by Jews.c
  • there are various reasons why the early church would have tried to “Passoverize” the Last Supper tradition.
  • This too is a Passoverization of the Jesus tradition, but it is one that contradicts the identification of the Last Supper with the Seder or Passover meal.
  • Surely the depiction of the Last Supper as a Passover observance could play a part in this larger effort of arguing that Jesus’ death echoes the Exodus from Egypt
  • a widely popular Paschal sermon, which could well be called a “Christian Haggadah,” reflecting at great length on the various connections between the Exodus story and the life of Jesus
  • Contrary to popular belief, the Catholic custom of using unleavened wafers in the Mass is medieval in origin. The Orthodox churches preserve the earlier custom of using leavened bread.23 Is it not possible to see the switch from using leavened to unleavened bread as a “Passoverization” of sorts?
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    This April 2012 article in BAR analyzes the similarities between the Jewish Seder and what Christians call Jesus' "Last Supper" and the timing of the event based on archaeological evidence. gfp (2012-04-07)
Gary Patton

Liberal Christian Scholarship ...Redaction Criticism, and Islam (Part 1) - 1 views

  • As Richard Bauckham has pointed out (and his role in our debate was most interesting, and again illustrated that I really do not believe Dr. Ally understands my point on this matter), the eyewitnesses to the events of the gospel continued in the church for many decades, forming a very important core element of the continuation of the gospel message.
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      What Dr. White is referring to here is that during the debate, Imam Ally tried to use something Mr. Bauchman said , as a so-called "conservative Christian scholar, to confiirm one of Mr. Ally's points. Dr. White would not agree to the author's alleged conservatism. Plus he later used this point to steal Ally's so-called 'thunder'.
  • The gospel story began to be proclaimed by the eyewitnesses and the first generation of believers immediately after Pentecost. It spread like wildfire, turning the world upside down. It spread both by zeal as well as by persecution. The oral tradition of the church was the context out of which the gospels themselves were written. The gospel writers were fully aware of that tradition. They were not seeking to supplant it, but to organize it and preserve it in yet another form.
  • This oral tradition, something shared by the entire community, is the source out of which they drew their narrative.
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  • If we assume that Matthew and Mark are not liars, that they are not dishonest men, and that they are seeking to communicate a message faithfully, drawing from the tradition known to them, we conclude, upon examination of numerous texts such as the above, that
  • we can see that both are giving us perfectly proper renditions of the same incident and the same words, one in fuller form than the other, both seeking to communicate the same concept, though to two different audiences.
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    In this article, Dr. James White, of Alpha & Omega Ministries examines the dangers of "Redaction and Form Criticism" in Christian scholarship (sic) and the refusal by Muslim scholars to apply it to Islam while using it to attack Christians beliefs based on our Bible. gfp (2012-03-27)
Gary Patton

To Tattoo or Not to Tattoo? | RELEVANT Magazine - 0 views

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    This article contains some helpful observations from a Christian perspective that doesn't involve applications of Jewish law that Jesus fulfilled.
Gary Patton

What Neuroscience Tells Us about Spritual Disciplines | Christianity Today - 0 views

  • Neuroscience sheds light on how fasting and other spiritual disciplines work by training our subconscious mental processes.
  • our conscious self is far less in control over who you are and what you do than you realize.  "We are not the ones driving the boat of our behavior," says neuroscientist David Eagleman.
  • Jesus expected that dietary restriction would be a part of our spiritual practice. "When you fast," he said, not if.
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  • Don't fast for a cause, but to shape your soul.
  • by making the Lenten discipline of fasting about a cause, we are caving in to our cultural distaste for self-denial.
  • But more importantly, spiritual disciplines shape us in deep ways. Because our brains—at the very least—mediate, process, and experience our spiritual lives, the disciplines can train us to become more attuned to God himself.
  • when our blood sugar runs low, chemical signals from the blood stream reach the brain, which sends out signals to eat.
  • The subconscious brain is at work, guiding our actions and our behavior
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    This author explains the light that neuroscience sheds on how fasting and other spiritual disciplines work by training our subconscious mental processes.
Gary Patton

The Decline of Violence - Reason Magazine - 0 views

  • Neuroscientist Steven Pinker on the triumph of peace and prosperity over death and destruction
  • Why is ideology so deadly?
  • There are two features of a lot of ideologies that make them deadly. One of them is demonizing.
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  • The other is if your ideology promotes some utopia
  • radical religions, millennial religions, radical Islam, radical forms of Christianity, that say that there’s some irredeemably evil group standing between the world and perfection: the crusaders, the infidels, the Jews, the polytheists, the nonbelievers, and so on.
  • The age of ideology coined the term genocide. You’ve pointed out that just because we recently invented the term doesn’t mean it didn’t happen before.
  • What it means is we started caring about it.
  • What is the “rights revolution”?
  • The rights revolutions are the various social changes [that are] directed largely at violence on smaller scales.
  • against racial minorities
  • women’s rights
  • children’s rights
  • gay rights
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    This article by author, Steven Pinker, outlines data regarding human behaviour that offers some hope for the future of Third World countries, especially violent, Muslim-dominated ones like "the stans" in the Middle East and others in Africa. gfp (2012-01-14)
Gary Patton

It's not Islamophobia to call a jihadist, a jihadist - 0 views

  • There is no doubt that such prejudice exists. But there is no doubt, too, that cries of “Islamophobia” are issued to suffocate argument, to deflect or deter analysis of some behaviour that is factually related to Islam. There is no doubt either that some Muslims have acted as terrorists, either singly, or in association with various Islamist groups. To point this out is not a phobia, but a simple respect for reality.
  • It’s not Islamophobia to call a jihadist, a jihadist
  • there also have been calls suggesting that any reference to the Islamist terrorist connections of the killer would be a species of Islamophobia. This is pure nonsense and folly.
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  • It is not Islamophobic to note the motives and background of the murderer. In fact, it is a form of cowardice and evasion not to do so.
  • If one decries Islamophobia, then one must condemn bin Laden as its Nile source. Bin Laden, more than any other person, has besmirched the practice and understanding of Islam and engendered suspicion of some of its adherents.
  • Horrors perpetrated in the name of fundamentalist Islam, such as attacks on young girls going to school, the internecine slaughters of various sects, the cruel penalties exacted by the Taliban’s repressive creed — stonings, amputations and executions for apostasy — also feed the angry atmosphere, and they are not phantoms of a prejudiced imagination.
  • Bin Laden’s declared purpose, his “war” on the West, and his overt linkage of his cause with a fundamentalist version of Islam, are the primary drivers of our non-phobic — which is to say, very rational — fear of, and hostility to, manifestations of Islamic fanaticism.
  • in Madrid, London or Bali — it was not Islamophobia when some immediately assumed these were al Qaeda, or Islamist-inspired. It was just a natural first response, the acknowledgement of a pattern. In most cases, that first response proved correct.
  • The too-energetic effort to fall outside the shadow of prejudice has served to distort the response of investigators. Looking for everybody else except the most “likely” suspects first, wastes time and resources.
  • Our most urgently served impulse should be to make common cause with the victims of violence — in this case, Jews
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      Mr. Murphy could have added anti-Chrisian to anti-semetic. Christian genocide is being practised in every Arab spring country by both Islamists and Street Muslims alike. This is true in Muslim-dominated countries outside the Middle East as well!
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Mark 5:21-42 NASB - Miracles and Healing - When Jesus had - Bible Gateway - 0 views

  • Mark 5:21-42
  • Do not be afraid any longer, only [h]believe.”
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    "Do Not Be Afraid Any Longer ...Only Believe!" My title above for Mark 5:21-42 are the words of Jesus. He spoke them to a Father who's daughter just had been pronounced dead. They're in the second sentence of Verse 36 of this passage that recounts an encouraging, documented miracle. Jesus lovingly speaks the same words to every person who has a seemingly insurmountable challenge which they can't handle but are willing to give up trying and let Him handle it. gfp (2012-06-21)
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