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Was Jesus' Last Supper a Seder? - Biblical Archaeology Review - 0 views

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shared by Gary Patton on 07 Apr 12 - No Cached
  • Moreover, while the narrative in the synoptics situates the Last Supper during Passover, the fact remains that the only foods we are told the disciples ate are bread and wine—the basic elements of any formal Jewish meal.
    • Gary Patton
      Gary Patton on 07 Apr 12
       
      This is the key for Jesus Followers. The rest is the "tradition of men". Ritualistic and rule-based religion is what the Scriptures repeatedly command Jesus Followers to gurad against when they get in the way of a saving relationship with a living God through the sacrifice of His Son's sinless life for "those who will believe" (Romans 10:9-10).
  • “Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, ‘Take, eat; this is my body.’ And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, ‘Drink of it, all of you, for this is my blood of the covenant’” (Matthew 26:26–28=Mark 14:22; see also Luke 22:19–20). Is this not a striking parallel to the ways in which Jews celebrating the Seder interpret, for example, the bitter herbs eaten with the Passover sacrifice as representing the bitter life the Israelites experienced as slaves in Egypt?
  • For many Jews (especially non-Orthodox Jews), the process of development continues, and many modern editions of the Haggadah contain contemporary readings of one sort or another. Even many traditional Jews have, for instance, adapted the Haggadah so that mention can be made of the Holocaust.8
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  • Almost everyone doing serious work on the early history of Passover traditions, including Joseph Tabory, Israel Yuval, Lawrence Hoffman, and the father-son team of Shmuel and Ze’ev Safrai, has rejected Finkelstein’s claims for the great antiquity of the bulk of the Passover Haggadah.
  • It’s not that rabbinic literature cannot be trusted to tell us about history in the first century of the Common Era. It’s that rabbinic literature—in the case of the Seder—does not even claim to be telling us how the Seder was performed before the destruction of the Temple.b
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  • Might not Jesus be presenting a competing interpretation of these symbols? Possibly. But it really depends on when this Rabban Gamaliel lived. If he lived later than Jesus, then it would make no sense to view Jesus’ words as based on Rabban Gamaliel’s.
  • Virtually all scholars working today believe that the Haggadah tradition attributing the words quoted above to Gamaliel refers to the grandson, Rabban Gamaliel the Younger, who lived long after Jesus had died.14 One piece of evidence for this appears in the text quoted above, in which Rabban Gamaliel is said to have spoken of the time “when the Temple was still standing”—as if that time had already passed.
  • And presumably they would have engaged in conversation pertinent to the occasion. But we cannot know for sure.
  • Having determined that the Last Supper was not a Seder and that it probably did not take place on Passover, I must try to account for why the synoptic Gospels portray the Last Supper as a Passover meal.
  • Another motive relates to a rather practical question: Within a few years after Jesus’ death, Christian communities (which at first consisted primarily of Jews) began to ask when, how and even whether they should celebrate or commemorate the Jewish Passover
  • The Quartodeciman custom of celebrating Easter beginning on the evening following the 14th day apparently began relatively early in Christian history and persisted at least into the fifth century C.E.
  • Early on, a number of Christians—Quartodecimans and others—felt that the appropriate way to mark the Jewish Passover was not with celebration, but with fasting.
  • Thus, until Jesus’ kingdom is fulfilled, Christians should not celebrate at all during Passove
  • By calling the Last Supper a Passover meal, these Jewish-Christians were trying to limit Christian practice in three ways. Like the Passover sacrifice, the recollection of the Last Supper could only be celebrated in Jerusalem, at Passover time, and by Jews.c
  • there are various reasons why the early church would have tried to “Passoverize” the Last Supper tradition.
  • This too is a Passoverization of the Jesus tradition, but it is one that contradicts the identification of the Last Supper with the Seder or Passover meal.
  • Surely the depiction of the Last Supper as a Passover observance could play a part in this larger effort of arguing that Jesus’ death echoes the Exodus from Egypt
  • a widely popular Paschal sermon, which could well be called a “Christian Haggadah,” reflecting at great length on the various connections between the Exodus story and the life of Jesus
  • Contrary to popular belief, the Catholic custom of using unleavened wafers in the Mass is medieval in origin. The Orthodox churches preserve the earlier custom of using leavened bread.23 Is it not possible to see the switch from using leavened to unleavened bread as a “Passoverization” of sorts?
  • Gary Patton on 07 Apr 12
     
    This April 2012 article in BAR analyzes the similarities between the Jewish Seder and what Christians call Jesus' "Last Supper" and the timing of the event based on archaeological evidence. gfp (2012-04-07)
Gary Patton

Liberal Christian Scholarship ...Redaction Criticism, and Islam (Part 1) - 1 views

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shared by Gary Patton on 27 Mar 12 - No Cached
  • As Richard Bauckham has pointed out (and his role in our debate was most interesting, and again illustrated that I really do not believe Dr. Ally understands my point on this matter), the eyewitnesses to the events of the gospel continued in the church for many decades, forming a very important core element of the continuation of the gospel message.
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      Gary Patton on 27 Mar 12
       
      What Dr. White is referring to here is that during the debate, Imam Ally tried to use something Mr. Bauchman said , as a so-called "conservative Christian scholar, to confiirm one of Mr. Ally's points. Dr. White would not agree to the author's alleged conservatism. Plus he later used this point to steal Ally's so-called 'thunder'.
  • The gospel story began to be proclaimed by the eyewitnesses and the first generation of believers immediately after Pentecost. It spread like wildfire, turning the world upside down. It spread both by zeal as well as by persecution. The oral tradition of the church was the context out of which the gospels themselves were written. The gospel writers were fully aware of that tradition. They were not seeking to supplant it, but to organize it and preserve it in yet another form.
  • This oral tradition, something shared by the entire community, is the source out of which they drew their narrative.
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  • If we assume that Matthew and Mark are not liars, that they are not dishonest men, and that they are seeking to communicate a message faithfully, drawing from the tradition known to them, we conclude, upon examination of numerous texts such as the above, that
  • we can see that both are giving us perfectly proper renditions of the same incident and the same words, one in fuller form than the other, both seeking to communicate the same concept, though to two different audiences.
  • Gary Patton on 27 Mar 12
     
    In this article, Dr. James White, of Alpha & Omega Ministries examines the dangers of "Redaction and Form Criticism" in Christian scholarship (sic) and the refusal by Muslim scholars to apply it to Islam while using it to attack Christians beliefs based on our Bible. gfp (2012-03-27)
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Adam & Eve to be Nude Anew? - Nude Scribe - 1 views

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shared by Gary Patton on 22 Jan 12 - No Cached
  • Here is Milton's description of Satan's first sight of the "naked Majestie" of Eve and Adam, in Book IV of Paradise Lost:
  • the poet's voice reiterates explicitly that neither nudity nor genitalia are inherently shameful:
  • Adam & Eve to be Nude Anew?
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NIV - Sexual Immorality - "I have the right - Bible Gateway - 0 views

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shared by Gary Patton on 03 Mar 12 - No Cached
  • 1 Corinthians 6:12
  • Gary Patton on 03 Mar 12
     
    1 Corinthians 6:12 is the wise person's context for a all her/his behaviour... not just the limited one of "food" and "sex" of the surrounding verses of this passage. gfp (2012-03-03) 
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"God Commands Our Perfect Diet ...And He's Never Cancelled the Command" - 1 views

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shared by Gary Patton on 29 May 13 - No Cached
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    "Genesis 1:26-30 (The Voice)"
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