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Atheism and Theism; Proof and Disproof - 0 views

  • That the theists have some burden of proof simply cannot be denied. They are obviously making at least one claim - that at least one god exists. Theists must, then, be prepared to offer justification for their claims - they must face up to their burden of demonstrating that their assertions are reasonable.
  • one of the first steps any theist will have to take is to explain the nature of this god they are claiming.
  • Unless we have a good idea of what we are looking for, we'll never know if we've found it or not!
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  • atheists aren't necessarily making any particular claims about the world.
  • When a person says to you "I am an atheist," all you can really assume is that they are saying "I do not believe in any gods."
  • no one need deny any particular theistic beliefs in order to be an atheist, they only need to not believe in any gods, whatever their reasons or attitudes.
  • Just because an atheist believes something doesn't mean that that belief is so connected to atheism that, in order to justify atheism, the belief in question needs to be justified.
  • evolution describes how life has developed over time, not how it originated.
  • Unless an atheist does not believe in any gods because of evolution, the an atheist has absolutely no need to defend evolution in order to defend atheism.
  • There are theists who accept the explanation of evolution, and theists who do not. There are atheists who accept the explanation of evolution, and atheists who do not.
  • So atheism is not inherently dependent upon evolution
  • Theists will commonly ask "Well, where did the universe come from?" Like the atheist reaction to evolution, we can approach this question with: "I don't know. So what?" Unless a person's atheism is dependent upon a particular description of the origin of the universe, they neither need to know the answer to the theist's question nor do they need to support any particular answer.
  • The only possible origin for the universe which is incompatible with my atheism is that of a creation by a god. This, of course, would be for the theist to demonstrate - and if they cannot, my atheism remains, whatever the real origin is. I do not need to account for this "real origin" in order to account for my atheism.
  • Theists need to explain and account for their god, because that's what theism is: belief in a god.
  • I hold a wide variety of beliefs
  • my atheism is not about the universe
  • are atheists required to disprove theistic claims? In general, no.
  • the burden of proof is on whoever is making the claims.
  • This is sometimes on the atheist, if they choose to deny something specific.
  • Only after the theist has presented coherent and rational arguments might the atheist need to explain why she does not accept them.
  • justification of atheism is based upon inadequate justification for theism
  • Just because the atheist happens to disagree with the theist on other issues does not mean that the atheist needs to justify these other beliefs in order to justify atheism.
  • If the discussion is about the existence of gods, then that is where it must be kept.
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What Is Atheism? Narrow vs. Broad Definitions of Atheism: Why Do Atheists Define Atheis... - 0 views

  • broadly defined, atheism is the absence of belief in the existence of any gods
  • agnosticism is about knowledge rather than belief (a related, but separate issue)
  • Agnostic Theism: belief in a god without claiming to know for sure that the god exists.
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  • Agnostic Atheism: disbelief in gods without claiming to know for sure that none exist.
  • the simple absence of belief in gods — aside from being the default position — is automatically justified and made credible so long as theists are not successful in making a credible case for their god.
  • Atheists agree that gods exist as ideas in people’s minds; the disagreement lies over whether any gods actually exist independently of human beliefs.
  • Atheism implies no further belief system
  • Atheists vary as much in their beliefs and attitudes as theists do. If you know that a person is an atheist, then you know that he or she lacks belief in gods — nothing more, nothing less.
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Atheism vs. Agnosticism: What's the Difference Between Atheism and Agnosticism? - 0 views

  • A person can believe in a god (theism) without claiming to know for sure if that god exists; the result is agnostic theism
  • a person can disbelieve in gods (atheism) without claiming to know for sure that no gods can or do exist; the result is agnostic atheism
  • An agnostic atheist won’t claim to know for sure that nothing warranting the label “god” exists or that such cannot exist, but they also don’t actively believe that such an entity does indeed exist
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Top Conversation Killers for Atheists: How Religious Theists Can Hurt Their Cause - 0 views

  • take some time to learn how atheists and dictionaries define atheism and agnosticism
  • learn something
  • a real conversation is a two-way street where both contribute and both are interested in taking something away
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  • identify and eliminate basic errors
  • For atheists, quoting passages from the Bible proves nothing about any gods whatsoever. At most, it may prove that the person doing the quoting doesn't have anything better to offer.
  • you can't prove anything to atheists by simply quoting the Bible
  • People making a positive claim have a burden of proof; this means that they voluntarily assume an obligation to support their claim
  • make your own arguments
  • many theists do something in particular: they offer arguments for the existence of their god and then ignore the various objections and rebuttals offered by atheists.
  • It's one thing not to agree with those rebuttals, but quite another to go on repeating the argument as if no objections had been raised at all.
  • do some research to learn what the most common objections and rebuttals are
  • atheists will challenge a theist to provide evidence to support their claims. The proper response is to actually provide evidence.
  • It's up to the claimant to show that their position has enough merit to be taken seriously and be looked at more closely.
  • One way or another, the theist appears to be expressing superiority over atheists in a passive-aggressive manner. That suggests they weren't interested in serious conversation to begin with.
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Myth: Atheists Attack Theism & Religion Because They Deny God - Do Atheists' Criticisms... - 0 views

  • Not everything which an atheist does can be attributed to their atheism
  • beliefs and preferences may or may not be common for atheists, but they do not derive from atheism itself.
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As Religion Fades, Will Atheism Be Enough? | Psychology Today - 0 views

  • the atheist identity refers only to the singular issue of god-belief
  • approaches the world from a natural standpoint
  • rejects all supernatural beliefs, not just the singular issue of divinities
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  • seeking truth and knowledge
  • accepts empiricism, science, and reason
  • holds certain values, including a support for human rights, peace, democracy, and personal liberty with a sense of social responsibility
  • humanism rejects outright the notion of dogma
  • humanism is a progressive, forward-looking lifestance that encourages creativity, critical thinking, and personal fullfillment within the context of social well-being
  • Many humanists, but not all, also identify as atheists; many atheists, but not all, also identify as humanists.
  • the "atheist" label is wrongly stigmatized in American society
  • My humanism is more important to me than my atheism
  •  we're doing a service if we can help the public to realize that atheists should not be feared
  • the important element will be the broad, affirmative values of humanism, not a singular notion of nonbelief
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Ignosticism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - 0 views

  • if that definition is unfalsifiable, the ignostic takes the theological noncognitivist position that the question of the existence of God (per that definition) is meaningless
  • a coherent definition of God must be presented before the question of the existence of God can be meaningfully discussed
  • the concept of God is not considered meaningless; the term "God" is considered meaningless
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  • "What is meant by 'God'?"
  • Some philosophers have seen ignosticism as a variation of agnosticism or atheism,[1] while others have considered it to be distinct.
  • An ignostic maintains that they cannot even say whether they are a theist or an atheist until a sufficient definition of theism is put forth.
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i want the chance to chat with an atheist : atheism - 0 views

  • For me it was liberating because finally the Universe made complete sense. There was only matter and energy that followed constant laws...anything 'supernatural' was simply dreamed up by humans. When bad things happened, it was not punishment, just chance. It meant that we could make this world into what we pleased, for good or ill. My choices were on me alone.
  • I'm from the Bible Belt as well. My suspicion is that you actually do know some atheists, but you just don't know it. It's very difficult for atheists to be "out" in the Bible Belt. As to your question, I would first just point out that it's less that I "decided" there was no God, and more that I just "realized" there was no God. And for me at least, it wasn't "liberating" so much as terrifying. I wasn't frightened of God's judgment or anything like that. Having grown up in a fundamentalist Christian household, I was always taught that doubt, in itself, was sinful, so by the time I got to the point of not believing, I had already crossed the line of doubting God (and thus being subject to judgment) long before that. In that sense, when I finally realized there was no God, it actually erased any fear of judgment - there's no God to judge me, thus no fear. Instead, I was terrified of the reaction that I would get from people around me when they found out that I no longer believed in God. My number one concern was my grandparents, whom I am very close with. I knew that it would devastate them, and that was really tough for me. (To this day, I have never really "come out" to them, although my parents told them - something that I honestly think I will always be resentful towards my parents for.) Beyond that, literally everyone around me, friends, family, my whole community really, were Christians, and so there was a deep, deep sense of loneliness when I realized that I had basically become "evil" in all of their minds.
  • It is liberating not to follow any religion because I feel that most of them (the major ones i.e. Judaism, Islam, and Christianity) are oppressive, intolerant and encourage ignorance in one way or another.
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  • Being open-minded means being able and willing to question one's own beliefs and consider those of others
  • You don't even have to change your mind, the very fact that you're asking questions and considering the ideas of those with whom you don't necessarily agree means you are open-minded (and is great, if you ask me).
  • It is kind of disheartening to know I have only one life to live and it is relatively short in the scheme of everything, but it makes this life I have more important. Alternately, I think the belief in an afterlife would make life feel cheap. I'm perfectly okay with knowing after I'm dead that will be the complete end of me. All I can hope for is that I "live on" in the memories of those that survive me.
  • The uncertainty of what happens after death is why humans are afraid of it.
  • reality is reality whether I find it unnerving or not. Wanting something to be true has no effect on whether or not it actually is.
  • I would just like you to know that there are places in this world where coming out as gay to one's parents is not viewed as the end of the world.
  • Many people have different "coming-out" experiences with their atheism. If their family is mostly composed of fundamentalist christians or muslims, they're going to have a much harder time than somebody who comes from a less irrational family.
  • There are atheists that are bigots
  • There are bigots in any group you can think of.
  • I think the scale of bigotry is tipped heavily in favor of those that are extremely religious.
  • Christianity has oppressed them, discriminated against them and has caused them all kinds of grief.
  • here is a quote from Steven Weinberg. Christopher Hitchens has also used the same idea in many of his debates: “Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion.”
  • I can tell you with almost 100% certainty that people you know personally are atheists.
  • But it comes down to what makes you happy. As an atheist, I believe we only get one shot at this life. I think it is most important that you live a happy and moral life and as long as you do that, believe or disbelieve whatever you want.
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Atheism | The Kojo Nnamdi Show - 0 views

  • Atheism is just the idea that you can have a philosophy of life that doesn't include a belief in God.
  • But what they want is authenticity and transparency. They want to know what kind of human being this is.
  • that religious values are the only metric of morality and moral character is really not something that is really productive in a country that claims to be a place of freedom of thought and freedom of religion.
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  • It's really a question of individual character rather than religious character, when there are plenty of people of religious upbringings that act in an unconscionably immoral way at times.
  • you can certainly have character as an Atheist and talk about that
  • Ethical culture is a humanistic, religious and educational movement inspired but the ideal that the supreme aim of human life is working to create a more humane society.
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Atheism & Morality - Investigating Atheism - 0 views

  • In the strict sense atheism only entails disbelief in God, so in principle atheists can hold a range of ethical beliefs
  • there are perfectly good nontheistic grounds for being moral
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How to Talk to, Debate Atheists: Ways Religious Theists can Avoid Common Errors - 0 views

  • Many churches and apologetics books have misinformed people about how dictionaries and atheists themselves define atheism: it's just the absence of belief in gods, not the positive denial of your god's existence.
  • Some atheists go on to deny some or all gods; others don't.
  • A significant problem which atheists have with theists is how so many make all sorts of assumptions about atheism, atheists, and anyone who isn't religious.
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  • What is your real goal and what do you expect to get out of this?
  • A discussion is a two-way street where both contribute and what each person says actually reflects something they have taken from what the other says. In a discussion, you have to listen to what the other is saying and respond directly to it.
  • Is it Possible That You Could Be Wrong? If Not, What Are You Doing?
  • Please take stock of your motives and goals before proceeding
  • Familiarize Yourself with Common Arguments & Common Refutations
  • Atheists often hear the exact same arguments over and over from one theist after another
  • Providing the same, obvious rebuttals to the same, superficial arguments gets annoying, especially when more interesting options exist
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Atheism & Choice: Atheists Choose Atheism & to be Atheists; Atheists Should Choose God ... - 0 views

  • belief itself simply does not appear to be a matter of will or choice.
  • These beliefs and the absence thereof are not acts of will which I had to consciously take — they are, rather, conclusions which were necessary based upon the evidence at hand.
  • focus instead on how a person has arrived at their beliefs
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  • try and encourage skepticism and critical thinking in people
  • an atheist, not by choice but instead simply because belief is no longer possible
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Do Atheists Choose Atheism? Evangelists are Wrong to Ascribe Choice and Free Will to At... - 0 views

  • beliefs and the absence thereof are not acts of will which I had to consciously take — they are, rather, conclusions which were necessary based upon the evidence at hand.
  • Instead of focusing on the actual beliefs, which are not themselves choices, it can be more important and more productive to focus instead on how a person has arrived at their beliefs
  • it is the method of belief formation which ultimately separates theist and atheists
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  • it is more important to try and encourage skepticism and critical thinking in people rather than to try and simply "convert" them
  • not by choice but instead simply because belief is no longer possible
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First Church of Atheism - 0 views

  • With the First Church of Atheism you can become ordained quickly, easily, and at no cost.
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