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louisgray.com: Proposed Salmon Protocol Aims To Unify Conversations on the Web - 0 views

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2009 2009-11 2009-11-07 PubSubHubbub

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October 17, 2009
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Proposed
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Unify Conversations on the Web
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conversations that occur on downstream aggregation sites
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parallel discussions on the originating Web site
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services, including JS-Kit's Echo and Disqus
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pulling external discussions to the source
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Salmon Protocol
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unify the conversations
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in all places
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upstream and downstream
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An Initial Presentation
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send the new comments to the site which is lacking the full conversation
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multiple downstream destinations
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leverages the newest iteration of webfinger
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fractured conversations
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conversations where they are comfortable
- Graham Perrin on 07 Nov 09
  
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could cause confusion
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implied (all data is public)
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a test playground for the Salmon Protocol
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turn this brand-new protocol into a new standard
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a serious challenge to services like JS-Kit Echo and Disqus
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including threaded replies
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the long debate over unified conversations could soon be over
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Graham Perrin on 07 Nov 09

referred from https://twitter.com/krynsky/status/5491594912

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Unifying the Conversations (Salmon Protocol) - 6 views

www.salmon-protocol.org

2009 2009-11 2009-11-07 PubSubHubbub

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Salmon Protocol
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Unifying the Conversations
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protocol for comments and annotations to swim upstream to original update sources
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commentary in a virtuous cycle
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user centric
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demo running at the Salmon Playground
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presentation:

Salmon Real Time Commenting Flow
Salmon Real Time Commenting Flow
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Graham Perrin on 07 Nov 09

referred from http://www.diigo.com/bookmark/http%3A%2F%2Fblog.louisgray.com%2F2009%2F10%2Fproposed-salmon-protocol-aims-to-unify.html?tab=comment&uname=grahamperrin

<div class="cArrow"> </div><div class="cContentInner">referred from <a href="http://www.diigo.com/bookmark/http%3A%2F%2Fblog.louisgray.com%2F2009%2F10%2Fproposed-salmon-protocol-aims-to-unify.html?tab=comment&uname=grahamperrin" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.diigo.com/bookmark/http%3A%2F%2Fblog.louisgray.com%2F2009%2F10%2Fproposed-salmon-protocol-aims-to-unify.html?tab=comment&uname=grahamperrin</a></div>

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DevHawk - The Last Mile of the Internet - 5 views

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2009 2009-11 2009-11-01 PubSubHubbub

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August 27, 2009
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The Last Mile of the Internet
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NAT/Firewall issue makes any async messaging based approach useless for clients
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Polling sucks. We think a decentralized pubsub layer is a fundamental, missing layer in the Internet architecture today
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a fundamental design that looks like this:

This picture leaves out multiple publishers and subscribers and the subscriber registration process, but you get the basic idea
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fine for server subscribers (like, say Google Reader) but not for client subscribers (like, say TweetDeck).
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the only way to enable client subscribers to play in this async messaging world is via some type of relay service
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In this approach, the client subscriber makes an outbound connection to some type of relay infrastructure
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technically feasible
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which sucks worse: polling or relaying?
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Yes, having to relay messages sucks. But the question is
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Harry Pierson
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Graham Perrin on 03 Nov 09

referred from http://www.diigo.com/bookmark/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.critical-masses.com%2Fjakeofalltrades%2Fthoughts-efficient-publish-and-subscribe-methodology-and-pubsubhubbub?tab=comment&uname=grahamperrin

<div class="cArrow"> </div><div class="cContentInner">referred from <a href="http://www.diigo.com/bookmark/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.critical-masses.com%2Fjakeofalltrades%2Fthoughts-efficient-publish-and-subscribe-methodology-and-pubsubhubbub?tab=comment&uname=grahamperrin" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.diigo.com/bookmark/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.critical-masses.com%2Fjakeofalltrades%2Fthoughts-efficient-publish-and-subscribe-methodology-and-pubsubhubbub?tab=comment&uname=grahamperrin</a></div>

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Superfeedr Blog : Getting Started with PubSubHubbub - 1 views

blog.superfeedr.com/...ting-started-with-pubsubhubbub

2009 2009-11 2009-11-01 PubSubHubbub

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We build a complex feed fetching and parsing infrastructure
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02 Sep 2009
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you don't have to
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Superfeedr is the only non-google PubSubHubbub
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ComparingProtocols - pubsubhubbub - Comparison of PubSubHubbub to light-pinging protocols ... - 0 views

code.google.com/...ComparingProtocols

2009 2009-11 2009-11-01 PubSubHubbub

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Comparison of PubSubHubbub to light-pinging protocols
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concrete differences between fat pinging (PubSubHubbub, XMPP pubsub) and light pinging (rssCloud, XML-RPC pings, changes.xml, SUP, SLAP)
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core difference
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how new information from feeds is delivered from a publisher to a subscriber
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- Light pings: Send the URL of the feed that has updated to the subscriber.
- Fat pings: Send the updated content of the feed to the subscriber
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Green is good, red is bad
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criteria to consider for each protocol
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pubsubhubbub - Project Hosting on Google Code - 0 views

code.google.com/pubsubhubbub

2009 2009-11 2009-11-01 Atom (standard) RSS PubSubHubbub

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reference implementation
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protocol
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publish/subscribe
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extension to Atom and RSS
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server-to-server
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web-hook-based
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The protocol in a nutshell
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hub(s) can be run by the publisher
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or can be a community hub
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If the Atom file declares its hubs
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avoid lame, repeated polling
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multicasts the new/changed content out to all registered subscribers
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decentralized
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PubSubHubbub FAQ - Google Moderator - 1 views

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2009 2009-11 2009-11-01 PubSubHubbub

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We envision people adding one line to their blog XML feeds
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immediate participants in the pubsub world
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using Atom
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simplifies things so much in almost all real-world use cases
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We love XMPP and we love REST
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we love things actually working, even if it's not 100% ideal
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Draft: PubSubHubbub Core 0.2 -- Working Draft - 0 views

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2009 2009-11 2009-11-03 PubSubHubbub aggregator

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PubSubHubbub Core
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0.2 -- Working Draft
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base profile
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Polling sucks
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decentralized pubsub layer
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missing layer in the
Internet architecture
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fundamental
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looking
forward to decentralized social networking
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Aggregated Content Distribution
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Aggregated Content Distribution

When a subscriber indicates the same callback URL is used for
multiple subscriptions, hubs MAY choose to combine content delivery
requests into a single payload containing an aggregated set of feeds.
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Example aggregated feed
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Graham Perrin on 03 Nov 09

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7.4 aggregated Content distribution - Pubsubhubbub | Google Groups - 0 views

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2009 2009-11 2009-11-01 PubSubHubbub aggregator

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aggregated Content distribution
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the client model for processing a single vs.

aggregated distribution might be quite a bit different
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nervous about the whole notion of PuSH co-opting <source> for

its own purposes
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provenance
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when you copy an entry from any feed document
other than that feed document whose metadata is in the entry's atom:source
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no way to indicate from which feed document you copied the entry
unless you insert some extension element
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it *is* important to know not only the source feed
but *also* where you found the entry
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Atom spec
didn't envision this use case
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atom:source is almost, but not quite,
what's needed
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confusion is understandable
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something like a psh:provenance element
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like atom:source
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most recent context
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not aggregate at the PubSubHubbub level
until you've proved that
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(a) you have to
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(b) multipart/related
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the PSHB use case *was* frequently discussed in the Atom WG
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pretty much what FeedMesh
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to show provenence, you need to add an extension element
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war stories about
multipart/related and batching
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skeptical
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This thread is a great example of peer review
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I'll file an issue in
the bug tracker
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PubSubHubbub protocol for getting the RSS/Atom feed in almost Real Time - 4 views

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RSS pubsubhubbub

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qualitypoint Tech on 20 Oct 09

This knol will explain about PubSubHubbub protocol which will help to get the RSS feed updates in almost Real time

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louisgray.com: Proposed Salmon Protocol Aims To Unify Conversations on the Web - 0 views

Unifying the Conversations (Salmon Protocol) - 6 views

Salmon Real Time Commenting Flow

DevHawk - The Last Mile of the Internet - 5 views

Superfeedr Blog : Getting Started with PubSubHubbub - 1 views

ComparingProtocols - pubsubhubbub - Comparison of PubSubHubbub to light-pinging protocols ... - 0 views

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