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The Chronicle: 5/4/2001: Telling the Truth About Damned Lies and Statistics - 0 views

  • Damned Lies and Statistics
    • Terry Elliott
       
      According to William Faulkner, "Facts and truth really don't have much to do with each other." Could the same be held about stats and truth?
  • it may be the worst -- that is, the most inaccurate -- social statistic ever.
    • Terry Elliott
       
      Geometric Progression: a=1, r=2, n=64 Tn = ar^(n-1) T64 = 1[2^(64-1)] T64 = 2^63 T64 = 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 grains of wheat.
  • If anyone spots a more inaccurate social statistic, I'd love to hear
    • Terry Elliott
       
      Any stat that asserts that correlation implies causation.
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  • JOEL BEST
  • What makes this statistic so bad?
    • Terry Elliott
       
      Here is a great blog on the issue of "bad statistical behavior". http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/
  • But people rarely ask questions of this sort when they encounter statistics. Most of the time, most people simply accept statistics without question.
    • Terry Elliott
       
      It is the same with polling information. Most people don't know what questions were asked, how they were asked, and whether the questions contained bias.
  • a mutant statistic
    • Terry Elliott
       
      Nice! The author is actually looking at the stats genetics, its pedigree. How in the world can we check everything we read or hear? What is the role of authority and should it have a role in scientific literature?
  • the author's article for publication did not bother to consider the implications of child victims doubling each year.
    • Terry Elliott
       
      Yes, why didn't the peer review process catch this? We read overmuch and badly and passively. An active reader probably would have caught this.
  • the student
  • the student
  • the student
    • Terry Elliott
       
      "He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lampposts - for support rather than illumination".
    • Terry Elliott
       
      Andrew Lang
  • Bad statistics live on; they take on lives of their own.
    • Terry Elliott
       
      Is their genesis similar to that of urban myths? In other words is there something in our evolutionary/cognitive heritage that enables heart over head 'analysis".
  • dubious data.
    • Terry Elliott
       
      Faulty data is not the same as bad stats. The former is further down the observational chain and more foundational.
  • stir up public outrage or fear
    • Terry Elliott
       
      Fear trumps reason. And politicians are now using stats to regularly gin up fear.
    • Terry Elliott
       
      Am reminded of Naomi Klein's The Shock Doctrine--the end justifies the means, statistics are a tool for whatever will advance agendas.
  • How to Lie With Statistics.
    • Terry Elliott
       
      I remember reading this in high school when it was still pretty news. Dates me doesn't it.
  • Statistics, then, have a bad reputation.
  • Yet, at the same time, we need statistics; we depend upon them to summarize and clarify the nature of our complex society.
    • Terry Elliott
       
      Statistics are just a way of philosophizing about the world.
  • Convincing answers to such questions demand evidence, and that usually means numbers, measurements, statistics.
    • Terry Elliott
       
      The big problem is that we are like high school debaters playing in a rarified rule set who expect the numbers top be dispositive. They are not anymore than argument is. Scary, yes?
  • "prove"
    • Terry Elliott
       
      rhetoric/epistemology/knowledge work
  • Some statistics are bad, but others are pretty good, and we need statistics -- good statistics -- to talk sensibly about social problems.
    • Terry Elliott
       
      N, Taleb has some interesting things to say about the ability to write/speak sensibly about the probablistic world with statistics. Before the discovery of black swans in Australia it was statistically certain (p=1) that all swans are white. All it took was the observation that there is one black swan to nullify that probability.
  • We need to think critically about statistics -- at least critically enough to suspect that the number of children gunned down hasn't been doubling each year since 1950.
    • Terry Elliott
       
      So....we need to know enough to be able to say, "Now wait a minute, that doesn't sound quite right."
  • Innumeracy
  • Too few people, he argued, are comfortable with basic mathematical principles, and this makes them poor judges of the numbers they encounter
    • Terry Elliott
       
      This is, of course, not because people are stupid, right? Innumeracy especially when combined with fear or other strong emotions simply points to a human characteristic--we are not probablistic or even numeric thinkers. At times we are little better than crows counting hunters in a field.
  • Social statistics describe society
    • Terry Elliott
       
      Really? Do quantities qualify? Big philosophical debate here.
  • The people who bring social statistics to our attention have reasons for doing so; they inevitably want something, just as reporters and the other media figures who repeat and publicize statistics have their own goals.
    • Terry Elliott
       
      Bias is profound. In fact it is the one certainty in research--the observer is the observed, but who cares watches the watchers.
  • Bad statistics come from conservatives on the political right and liberals on the left, from wealthy corporations and powerful government agencies, and from advocates of the poor and the powerless.
    • Terry Elliott
       
      Are we naturally predisposed to be bad statisticians? I think so. Evolutionarily so.
  • Bad statistics come from conservatives on the political right and liberals on the left, from wealthy corporations and powerful government agencies, and from advocates of the poor and the powerless.
    • Terry Elliott
       
      Are we predisposed to be bad statisticians? Yes, evolutionarily so. Which doesn't mean we can get better, but rather that at base we are creatures who do not decide anything important personally based upon the rationality of statistics.
  • We need a general approach, an orientation, a mind-set that we can use to think about new statistics that we encounter. We ought to approach statistics thoughtfully.
    • Terry Elliott
       
      A general theory of statistical interpretation? A statistical orientation? A statistical mind-set? A thoughtful statistics? Oy, how about a generic statistics for dummies? How about some rules of thumb statistics? I fear we are not probablists at heart or at genes.
  • One choice is to approach statistics critically.
    • Terry Elliott
       
      To be critical is to have a set of standards and to mark others' use of statistic based upon that standard.
  • The critical recognize that this is an inevitable limitation of statistics.
    • Terry Elliott
       
      In other words, don't take statistics too seriously as reality. The grain of salt of theory of statistics.
  • Moreover, they realize that every statistic is the product of choices -- the choice between defining a category broadly or narrowly, the choice of one measurement over another, the choice of a sample. People choose definitions, measurements, and samples for all sorts of reasons: Perhaps they want to emphasize some aspect of a problem; perhaps it is easier or cheaper to gather data in a particular way -- many considerations can come into play. Every statistic is a compromise among choices. This means that every definition -- and every measurement and every sample -- probably has limitations and can be criticized.
    • Terry Elliott
       
      This is really a brilliant exposition of the limits of the expertise of statistics. It really is no different than the common sense understanding that all tools are limited--language most of all. Stats are just another form of language.
  • Being critical means more than simply pointing to the flaws in a statistic. Again, every statistic has flaws. The issue is whether a particular statistic's flaws are severe enough to damage its usefulness. Is the definition so broad that it encompasses too many false positives (or so narrow that it excludes too many false negatives)? How would changing the definition alter the statistic? Similarly, how do the choices of measurements and samples affect the statistic? What would happen if different measures or samples were chosen? And how is the statistic used? Is it being interpreted appropriately, or has its meaning been mangled to create a mutant statistic? Are the comparisons that are being made appropriate, or are apples being confused with oranges? How do different choices produce the conflicting numbers found in stat wars? These are the sorts of questions the critical ask.
    • Terry Elliott
       
      Again, this is a set of questions we should all carry around in our mental wallets. This is the 'don't throw the baby out with the bathwater' school of statistical analysis.
  • Statistics are one of the standard types of evidence used by people in our society.
    • Terry Elliott
       
      Are stats just another rhetorical tool then? I don't think that they are, but they can be used that way. And I don't mean rherorical in a pejorative sense here. Language and statistics are by there very existence a part of a sociable world. As such they are part of every persuasive toolbox that begins with passion and moves from that toward politics. We all want what we want. Statistics is part of the language that helps us get that. THAT is what we need to be critical about. Are we being fair in their use?
  • Without statistics, we limit our ability to think thoughtfully about our society; without statistics, we have no accurate ways of judging how big a problem may be, whether it is getting worse, or how well the policies designed to address that problem actually work.
    • Terry Elliott
       
      Judging by the complexity of our world (financial instruments leading to collapse/human generated climate change) we don't seem to be able to use statistics to be meaningfully thoughtful about the world
  • The goal is not to memorize a list, but to develop a thoughtful approach.
    • Terry Elliott
       
      What Best is arguing for is the internalization of statistical habits, of a statistical stance. But what makes this potential stance any more worth adopting than a meditative approach or an empathic approach or a kinesthetic approach or even a punk approach. Literary criticism comes in for a world of legitimate criticism, but one of its strengths is in recognizing that the ability to adopt multiple critical stances allows us to be like the blind men who are trying to identify the elephant. Statistics is just one more hand to make the task more enlightened.
  • Being critical, it seems, involves an impossible amount of work.
    • Terry Elliott
       
      I worry about the practicality of adopting little more than rules of thumb, as well.
  • Rather, being critical means appreciating the inevitable limitations that affect all statistics,
    • Terry Elliott
       
      I am increasingly worried about the abuse of statistical tools in the service of those who seek to control--opinion polling, high-stakes testing (SAT/IQ/GRE/NCLB), focus groups.
    • Terry Elliott
       
      We are very deluded if we think that the stat is the thing itself. Very deeply deluded.
  • Claims about social problems often feature dramatic, compelling examples; the critical might ask whether an example is likely to be a typical case or an extreme, exceptional instance. Claims about social problems often include quotations from different sources, and the critical might wonder why those sources have spoken and why they have been quoted: Do they have particular expertise? Do they stand to benefit if they influence others? Claims about social problems usually involve arguments about the problem's causes and potential solutions. The critical might ask whether these arguments are convincing. Are they logical? Does the proposed solution seem feasible and appropriate? And so on. Being critical -- adopting a skeptical, analytical stance when confronted with claims -- is an approach that goes far beyond simply dealing with statistics.
    • Terry Elliott
       
      Statistics is part of a larger realm known as 'the critical approach'. The assumptions behind this are running powerfully against other approaches--notably the perennial approach, one where belief trumps observation or as some have put it, the belief-based realiy (oxymoronic, yes?).
  • Statistics are not magical. Nor are they always true -- or always false. Nor need they be incomprehensible.
    • Terry Elliott
       
      Faint praise indeed.
  • When we fail to think critically, the statistics we hear might just as well be magical.
    • Terry Elliott
       
      Well, statistics are at least, as Karl Popper would ascribe, falsifiable. That is worth much in this world.
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Truemors :: MPAA Used Faulty Data to Calculate Level of College Movie Piracy - 0 views

  • The MPAA has announced that the data it used to estimate that college age users account for 44% of online movie piracy is wrong- by 29 percentage points. College students only make up 15%, not 44% (as previously asserted by the MPAA), of those engage in peer to peer movie file sharing.
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Good Math, Bad Math : Book Review: The Manga Guide to Statistics - 0 views

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    Cool I will get this and let everyone know.
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