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Here's What You Need To Know About Exit Polls This Election Day | HuffPost - 0 views

  • People will still comb over the early results for any hint of who’s likely to win. And it’s still worth using significant caution when looking at those early results.
  • Exit polls are a valuable source of data about who votes and why, but they’re also complex projects that have the potential to be misinterpreted, especially early on. This year, with an unprecedented level of early voting complicating the traditional process, that’s especially true.
  • Since 2004, in an attempt to account for early voters, the exit polls have also used telephone polls conducted over the final weekend of the campaign.
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  • Exit polls, as we wrote back in 2018, serve a couple of different purposes. While they’re not foolproof, in the days to come, they’ll help provide a sense of how and when voters made up their minds. 
  • Exit polls were not, however, designed to help give the American public a sneak peek of who’s likely to win, especially when people are still in the process of voting.
  • It’s just really hard to know in advance what the proportion of in-person Election Day voters and absentee voters will be in 2020,” they added. “This election night especially, it’s best just to wait for the final results — even if it takes a while.”
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Trump Says Democrats In The U.S. Are Harder To Handle Than China, North Korea, Russia |... - 0 views

  • claiming that negotiations with foreign countries have been a breeze compared with working with his political opponents at home. 
  • , ‘Mr. President, tell me. Who is the country that’s most difficult to deal with? Is it Russia? Is it China? Is it North Korea? Sir, is it North Korea?’ And I go, ‘No, well, by far the most difficult country to deal with is the U.S. It’s not even close.’ And they all say, ‘You’ve got to be kidding.’ And I say, ‘No I’m actually probably not kidding.’”
  • In other parts of the interview, which ran for about a half-hour, Trump repeatedly played up the size and quantity of his recent campaign rallies, said he would only declare victory “if there’s victory,” and even criticized Fox News, claiming the network was giving too much screen time to Joe Biden ― an allegation that the “Fox & Friends” hosts said was an effort to “show both sides.”
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  • “The toughest nation to deal with are the Democrats in the USA,” Trump said at the time, overlooking the fact that “Democrats” are not a nation.
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Trump Says He'll Declare Victory 'Only When There's Victory' | HuffPost - 0 views

  • The president previously refused to say whether he would accept the results of the election and whether he would commit to a peaceful transfer of power.
  • President Donald Trump on Tuesday said he would only declare victory in his reelection bid “if there’s victory,
  • he plans to declare himself the winner on election night even if it only looks like he’s ahead.
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  • When asked in September if he would “commit to a peaceful transferal of power” if he loses, Trump again said: “Well, we’re gonna have to see what happens.”
  • In July, he also said, “I have to see” when asked whether he would accept the results of the general election.
  • Trump has attempted to try to prevent some mail-in ballots from being counted and has also ignited concerns about whether he would concede defeat if he loses.
  • Trump in August said that if he loses it would be because the election was rigged and stolen from him. He has specifically targeted mail-in ballots as a method of cheating, despite there being no evidence of widespread voter frau
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Texas Ranks Highest In Total Number Of COVID-19 Cases In U.S. | HuffPost - 0 views

  • Texas has surpassed California in recording the highest number of positive coronavirus tests in the U.S. so far, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.
  • As the coronavirus pandemic surges across the nation, the data from Sunday — the most recent available — says that there have been 938,503 cases in Texas, the nation’s second-most populous state.
  • California, the most populous state, has had 938,119 cases, followed by Florida with 812,063.
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  • The true number of infections is likely higher because many people haven’t been tested, and studies suggest people can be infected and not feel sick
  • Texas’ seven-day rolling average of the positivity rate has risen over the last two weeks from 7.12% to 10.72%. Nationwide, the positivity rate was 6.6%.
  • Texas health officials have reported more than 18,000 deaths so far from COVID-19.
  • Last Thursday, El Paso County officials ordered a two-week shutdown of nonessential activities after the area’s medical resources were overwhelmed by COVID-19 cases.
  • El Paso County Judge Ricardo Samaniego says they’re struggling to find space for the increasing number of people dying and are setting up a fourth mobile morgue unit at the medical examiner’s office.
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Barack Obama, Joe Biden Use A Key Page From Their Pandemic Playbook To Bash Donald Trum... - 1 views

  • Former President Barack Obama and former Vice President Joe Biden used a key page from their old pandemic playbook to call out President Donald Trump’s catastrophic mishandling of the coronavirus crisis in a new campaign video.
  • Obama and Democratic presidential nominee Biden recalled leaving a manual for the incoming Trump administration on how to respond quickly to “high consequence emerging infectious disease threats and biological incidents.”
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      That is hilarious that Trump basically had the answers right in front of him and still failed
  • Obama administration’s advice apparently went “neglected and ignored” by the Trump White House. And “we’ve now seen 225,000 people lose their lives,” said the former president.
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Biden Campaign: Trump Has 'Harder Hill' To Climb To Win Election | HuffPost - 0 views

  • President Donald Trump will need to overcome significant deficits in key states from early voting and mail-in ballots in order to win reelection, officials from Joe Biden’s campaign said on Tuesday morning.
  • “Trump has such a harder hill to climb today to overcome the advantage we came into today with,”
  • The Trump campaign would essentially need to sweep all of those states to win the 270 votes necessary to claim an Electoral College victory. 
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  • She estimated that Trump needed to win 59% of the Election Day vote in Pennsylvania to pull off an upset victory there, well above what he won on Election Day in 2016.
  • he would need 61% of the vote in Wisconsin, compared to the 53% he won on Election Day four years ago.
  • In North Carolina, he would need to win 62% of the Election Day vote, well above the 56% he won four years earlier. In Arizona, the campaign said Biden had picked up 53% of the vote so far and predicted Trump would need to get 60% of Election Day voters to triumph there. 
  • The campaign was somewhat less optimistic about Florida and Texas. In Florida, the Biden campaign believes Trump would need to hit 56% of the Election Day vote ― almost exactly what he earned four years ago
  • In Texas, the campaign estimated only 49% of early voters backed Biden and noted that 53% of voters backed Trump on Election Day in 2016.
  • Republicans planned to vote in person because of Trump’s false attacks on the reliability of mail-in ballots.
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Former Prisoner Used By Trump As A Prop Declares Her Support For Biden | HuffPost - 0 views

  • The president has showcased his spotty efforts to help Americans like aid worker Aya Hijazi, who was freed from Egyptian custody after Trump’s intervention.
  • Aya Hijazi, an American aid worker who spent nearly three years jailed in Egypt before President Donald Trump personally intervened, endorsed Trump’s Democratic presidential rival Joe Biden on Monday.
  • Trump focused on himself rather than her ordeal. 
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      no surprise there
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  • Trump “demands loyalty as a means of maintaining control.”
  • “But the government should not help citizens to make them loyal; it should do help b/c it’s the right thing to do #VoteBidenHarrisToSaveAmerica,” Hijazi wrote.
  • Ahead of the election, the Trump administration redoubled efforts to locate Austin Tice, an American journalist who went missing in Syria, even sending the first high-ranking U.S. official to meet with the country’s internationally condemned regime in years as they sought a political win.
  • There’s nothing special or heroic about Trump performing duties for which he signed up.  
  • Four weeks after Hijazi came home, the families of other Americans jailed there said they had heard nothing from the White House about plans to help them.
  • Other Americans held by repressive governments have become less likely to be freed because of Trump’s policies.
  • By shattering Obama’s historic nuclear deal with Iran and subjecting the Islamic Republic to a “maximum pressure” campaign, Trump has made diplomacy with its leaders almost impossible.
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Trump Mocked After Claiming He's 'Most Innocent Man' In U.S. History | HuffPost - 0 views

  • During a rally there, the chief executive started griping about the many investigations he’s faced while in office, including the Mueller report, which Trump has falsely claimed exonerated him.
  • Despite $48 million spent on the investigation over two and a half years, the investigation didn’t result in Trump’s arrest, mainly because the Department of Justice has a policy not to indict a sitting president.
  • “perhaps the most innocent man anywhere in the history of the United States.”
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The First Election Day Results Are Already In, Thanks To A Quirky Old Law | HuffPost - 0 views

  • The first ballot was cast by lifelong Republican Les Otten, who voted for Biden and explained his decision in a video: 
  • n 2016, Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton won four votes versus two for Trump,
  • The small community of Millsfield finished its vote shortly after Dixville Notch, with Trump having better luck: He beat Biden 16-5. Trump also received 16 votes there in 2016, versus 5 for Clinton.
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The problem with changing the Electoral College (opinion) - CNN - 0 views

  • The Electoral College has been a controversial topic over the past few years. People tend to have very strong opinions about the institution, which, in most instances, comes down to who citizens believe is advantaged or disadvantaged by it. Ideally, a good electoral system should be neutral, where no party, candidate or region is advanced at the expense of another. Yet, this is among the chief criticisms we hear about our system.
  • This has recently led many to call for the abolition of the Electoral College in favor of a national popular vote. Yet, critics realize how resilient the institution has been, surviving nearly 800 attempts to amend or abolish it over the course of our nation's history. Most changes that have occurred have happened at the state level.
  • Because so many states are not competitive, many voters in these states may feel like their votes are wasted. This is reflected in President Trump's recent claim about the Electoral College system that "The Republicans have a disadvantage.
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  • In 2008, Barack Obama captured an electoral vote in Nebraska's second congressional district. In 2016, Donald Trump earned an electoral vote in Maine's second congressional district. This year, both of these congressional districts have received attention from the presidential campaigns.
  • All other states use the winner-take-all method, which awards all of a state's electoral votes to the ticket that earns a plurality of the vote in the state. This method can lead to some pretty disproportionate outcomes which most often work to amplify the difference between a candidate's popular vote total and electoral vote total.
  • First, it is important to recognize that the Electoral College process leads candidates to ignore a majority of states across the country
  • Concerns over gerrymandering have persisted in American politics for two centuries. The term is attributed to Elbridge Gerry and it refers to the practice of drawing legislative districts to favor one political party over others.
  • A second potential problem could be found in the role of third-party spoilers. It is conceivable that third parties or independent candidates could have strong showings in a few highly conservative or liberal congressional districts and ultimately claim a few electoral votes.
  • A third concern is that moving to a district selection process could lead to even more misfire elections --elections where the winner of the national popular vote does not win in the Electoral College.
  • These outcomes underscore the role gerrymandering by state legislatures would have on the presidential selection process. It also suggests why Reince Priebus supported having some states adopt the district plan when he was the head of the Republican National Committee in 2013.
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A 13-year-old Missouri boy's last day of school was in late October. He died from Covid... - 0 views

  • An eighth grade student from Missouri passed away from complications related to Covid-19, officials in his school district said.
  • Peyton is the youngest person to pass away from Covid-19 in the state of Missouri according to state records.
  • he family also asks that we all remember to wear masks, wash hands frequently and follow guidelines. COVID-19 is real and they want to remind students and parents to take these precautions in and outside of school."
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Celebrities who said they'd leave America in 2016 if Trump was elected -- and didn't | ... - 0 views

  • "I did buy a house in another country just in case, so all of these people that threaten to leave the country and then don't; I will leave the country," she said.
  • Whoopi Golberg cast doubt on “The View” that Trump would win. "I don't think that's America. I don't want it to be America. Maybe it's time for me to move, you know,” she said.Raven-Symone also said on “The View” that she would move to Canada. "My confession for this election is if any Republican gets nominated, I'm going to move to Canada with my entire family. I already have my ticket,” she said.
  • “If that motherf---er becomes president, I’m moving my Black a-- to South Africa,” he said on “Jimmy Kimmel Live!”  per CBS.
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      lol
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Trump Winning Michigan, Florida and Arizona? This Pollster Says So - The New York Times - 0 views

  • Robert Cahaly’s polls have Arizona, Michigan and Florida in the president’s column. It’s hard to find another pollster who agrees with him. But they didn’t believe him in 2016 either.762
  • Trafalgar does not disclose its methods, and is considered far too shadowy by other pollsters to be taken seriously. Mostly, they dismiss it as an outlier. But for Mr. Cahaly, “I told you so” is already a calling card.
  • Is it possible to believe a guy whose polls consistently give Mr. Trump just enough support for a narrow lead in most swing states, and who refuses to reveal much of anything about how he gets his data?
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      I think it was just a lucky guess last election. It's impossible to know what's gonna happen this election especially with the mail in ballots and covid.
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  • In 2016, its first time publicly releasing polls, Trafalgar was the firm whose state surveys most effectively presaged Mr. Trump’s upset win. A veteran Republican strategist, Mr. Cahaly even called the exact number of Electoral College votes that Mr. Trump and Hillary Clinton would receive — 306 to 227 — although his prediction of which states would get them there was just slightly off.
  • “social desirability bias”: the tendency for respondents to say what they think an interviewer wants to hear, not what they actually believe.
  • ut he’s not saying what they are. Mr. Cahaly releases almost no real explanation of his polling methodology; the methods page on Trafalgar’s website contains what reads like a vague advertisement of its services and explains that its polls actively confront social desirability bias, without giving specifics as to how. He says that he uses a mixture of text messages, emails and phone calls — some automated, and some by live callers — to reach an accurate representation of the electorate.
  • “People do not seem embarrassed to support Mr. Trump,” Mr. Cox said. In the past four years, studies seeking to quantify a so-called “shy Trump” effect in surveys have generally found little evidence to support it.
    • kaylynfreeman
       
      I read another article that says otherwise
  • “It is wildly inappropriate not to tell me, not only what modes you use to draw your sample, but how specifically you did it,” he said. His general rule: “If somebody’s not transparent you can generally assume they’re crap.”
  • In 2010, Mr. Cahaly was arrested and taken to court for violating a law against using automatic calling machines — known as robocalling — to conduct polls. The charges against him were eventually dropped, and he later successfully sued a state law enforcement agency, causing South Carolina’s prohibition on robocalls to be declared unconstitutional.
  • Mr. Cahaly said he was doing legitimate polling, aimed at truly understanding voters’ opinions — and getting what he called “dead-on” results. During the 2016 Republican primaries, he was early to spot a surge of enthusiasm from many working-class voters who had long felt alienated from politics and helped power Mr. Trump’s ascent.
  • “I kept getting these stories about people who showed up to vote and didn’t know how to use the voting machines, they hadn’t voted in so long,” Mr. Cahaly said. So he began to look into who those people might be, and used data available online to create a list of roughly 50 lifestyle characteristics — including, for instance, whether they owned a fishing license — to identify the sorts of low-engagement voters who were turning out in droves. He used that data to make sure he was reaching the right kinds of respondents as he polled off the voter file in advance of the general election.
  • Mr. Cahaly feels no need to reveal his techniques, despite the near-universal doubt about his work from his peers. “I’ve given away enough; I’m not giving away any more,” he said, arguing that it had been a mistake to even tell the public about his “neighbor question,” which some other firms have since adopted in their own surveys.
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Some Regions Still Experience Slow Delivery of Mail Ballots - The New York Times - 0 views

  • In the final days of voting, the Postal Service is struggling to ensure timely delivery of ballots in parts of key battleground states like Pennsylvania and Michigan.
  • The percentage of ballots delivered to election officials nationwide in one to three days has hovered in the low to mid-90s in the past week.
  • According to an estimate by the United States Elections Project, about 29.6 million mail-in ballots are still outstanding, although it is not clear how many of those were never sent back or reflected decisions by voters to cast their ballots in person.
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  • The Postal Service has blamed the pandemic and labor shortages for some of the poor rates. As coronavirus cases surge across the country, the Detroit district reported just 78 percent of its employees were available to work, while Central Pennsylvania reported 84 percent, according to a court filing on Friday.
  • Backups in mail delivery were better than they once were, but customers were still experiencing delays, Mr. Combs said. The Postal Service has been careful to try to shield ballots from the slowdowns, but some might slip through the cracks, he added.
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What Time Do the Polls Close? - The New York Times - 0 views

  • Because so many Americans are voting by mail, it’s very possible that we won’t know who won on election night, or even Wednesday morning.
  • 8 p.m. 238 electoral college votes in 21 states and Washington, D.C. </polygon
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      DE
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Disinformation in the 2020 Presidential Election: Latest Updates - The New York Times - 0 views

  • No, George Soros doesn’t control voting machines.Claim: The billionaire George Soros owns Smartmatic, a company that makes voting machines. He can manipulate the machines toward a candidate of his choosing.Fact: Mr. Soros does not own Smartmatic.Background: Rumors that Mr. Soros, a well-known donor to liberal causes, owns Smartmatic have circulated for years, including during the 2016 presidential election and the 2018 midterm elections.
  • No, ballots aren’t being thrown away.Claim: There are photographs of ballots being thrown away, providing proof of problems with mail-in voting in California.Fact: The photographs depict old, empty envelopes from the November 2018 midterm elections that were discarded after the vote was counted.Background: The images have been circulating in recent months to back claims made by President Trump that mail-in voting, which is expected to nearly double because of the pandemic, will increase voter fraud. Republicans in Congress as well as right-wing outlets have shared the photographs.
  • No, people aren’t voting more than once.Claim: People are casting multiple votes using mail-in ballots or absentee ballots.Fact: Election experts have calculated that, in a 20-year period, fraud involving mailed ballots has affected 0.00006 percent of votes, or one case per state every six or seven years.Background: Several viral Twitter posts have claimed that mail-in ballots cannot be “verified” or have already been cast. Mr. Trump, who has repeatedly attacked state efforts to expand voting by mail, has falsely said mail-in ballots are “dangerous,” “unconstitutional,” “a scam” or rife with “fraud.”
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  • No, there aren’t any new online-voting options.Claim: People can vote by text message, by email or on a state-run website.Fact: Outside of a small amount of overseas absentee voters, no state allows Americans to vote by email, website or text message.Background: In 2016 and 2018, posts on Facebook, Twitter and other social media sites claimed that voters could cast their ballots through newly formed websites, or through text-messaging services.
  • No, voting machines aren’t doing strange things.Claim: Voting machines are malfunctioning and causing votes to be improperly recorded.Fact: A handful of voting-machine malfunctions are reported every election cycle in most states. The errors are most often due to mistakes by users.Background: Frequently circulated videos purport to show machines malfunctioning or refusing to let people cast their vote for a particular candidate. A 2016 video shot by a woman in Pennsylvania and posted to Twitter claimed that a voting machine was not allowing her to vote for Mr. Trump. The video, which is likely to resurface this year, was provided as evidence that machines were rigged. But as ProPublica reported, the problem with the machine was user error.
  • No, ICE isn’t monitoring polling locations.Claim: U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents will be at polling stations.Fact: ICE will not be at polling stations.Background: This rumor has made the rounds for a decade. During the 2018 election, claims that ICE would be at polling stations proliferated on Twitter, making misinformation aimed at suppressing the vote one of the most prevalent forms of misinformation on the platform, according to Twitter.
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How Three Election-Related Falsehoods Spread - The New York Times - 0 views

  • The data showed how a single rumor pushing a false narrative could rapidly gain traction on Facebook and Twitter, generating tens of thousands of shares and comments. That has made the misinformation particularly hard for elections officials to fight.
  • 1. False claims of ballot “harvesting”This misinformation features the unproven assertion that ballots are being “harvested,” or collected and dropped off in bulk by unauthorized people.
  • Representative Ilhan Omar, a Minnesota Democrat, was falsely accused last month of being engaged in or connected to systematic illegal ballot harvesting.
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  • 2. False claims of mail-in ballots being dumped or shreddedMail-in ballots and related materials being tossed was another popular falsehood that election officials said they were hearing.
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      i heard that as well
  • There were 3,959 public Facebook posts sharing this rumor, according to our analysis. Those posts generated 953,032 likes, comments and shares. Among those who shared the lie were two pro-Trump Facebook groups targeting Minnesota residents, as well as President Trump himself. At least 26,300 tweets also discussed the falsehood.
  • 3. False claims of planned violence at polling sites by Antifa and Black Lives Matter protesters
  • Election officials also said people were confronting them with false assertions that antifa, the loose collection of left-wing activists, and Black Lives Matter protesters were coordinating riots at polling places across the country.Image
  • He said in an email that his post was not a call for violence and that The New York Times should focus on “the key planners and financiers of all the rioting, arson, looting and murder” instead.
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Opinion | Hillary Clinton Was Right to Warn Us - The New York Times - 0 views

  • predicting that the election of Trump would set off a global financial panic and plunge the economy into a recession. (Oops. Took a pandemic to do that.)
  • Here’s the snippet of her listing possible reasons Trump hadn’t released his tax returns (he’s a tax evader, he’s in hock to mysterious creditors, he’s not the bazilionaire we think), all of which turned out to be true; there’s the snippet of Hillary telling Trump that he was a puppet, which is worth reading in fuller context:
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Opinion | 7 Ways That You Can Save Our Democracy - The New York Times - 0 views

  • one of the greatest threats may be a loss of faith in our electoral system itself.
    • kaylynfreeman
       
      well the electoral college sucks
  • 1. Don’t overstate the risks.
  • 2. Know what’s real and not.
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  • We have seen this already. In September, the Russian media outlet Kommersant reported that Russian hackers had stolen voter roll data from Michigan — but in fact, that data was already publicly available. A few weeks ago, Iranians sent threatening and intimidating emails to voters, masquerading as a white supremacist group.
  • 3. Expect messiness.
  • 4. Check before you share information
  • 5. If you see something, say something.
  • 6. Be patient.
  • 7. Vote.
    • kaylynfreeman
       
      A lot of people didnt vote four years ago which messed up the election further more.
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Opinion | Some Trump Supporters Might Be Relieved If He Loses - The New York Times - 0 views

  • My relative was adamant that Mr. Trump’s bid for a second term was finished. So adamant, actually, that it sounded as if she wanted it to be over.
  • He didn’t actually like Mr. Trump. His vote was a protest.
    • kaylynfreeman
       
      protest to what? A women president?
  • But I’ve come to believe that some people who publicly support the president don’t fully want him to win. They have to put up a fight for their sense of dignity. But even those who definitely plan to vote for him again privately admit ambivalence or even a wish that he could be magically swept out of the White House without a straightforward ballot-box defeat.
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      Do they have to much pride to go against their previous views? Sounds pretty selfish to me.
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  • These are public Trump fans who, in private, acknowledge that his tweets are humiliating, his crowing about his victories is tasteless, his policy flip-flops are dispiriting and some of his statements are hurtful and damaging. They won’t say they’re tired of him to a pollster. It can be as embarrassing to admit you liked Mr. Trump and now fear him as it was to admit you were attracted to him in the first place. Mr. Trump’s critics portray his supporters as fools, and to say you only now realized he has problems seems to concede the point.
    • kaylynfreeman
       
      So why are they voting for him if they admit he is a horrible president!
  • Other Trump-supporting friends used this phrasing, too, and I began to wonder if it was a sublimated yearning. It would accomplish two things: first, make Mr. Trump a martyr to leftist intolerance, and second, get him out of office.
  • My relative was more upset. She called me near tears. “What’s going to happen to your health care?” she asked. (I rely on the Affordable Care Act.) She never thought Mr. Trump would occupy the White House. Her vote was a form of trolling.
    • kaylynfreeman
       
      bruh how is she gonna vote and then complain. she put herself in that position.
  • President Bill Clinton was a prime example of this double standard; he represented a party that insisted it — and only it — supported women’s empowerment while he preyed on a female intern.
  • They expressed strangely little anxiety that Mr. Trump would get very sick or die. Compassion for his suffering, yes. Anger at Democrats’ schadenfreude, yes. But no fear he would be swept off the political stage.
  • Mr. Trump’s shtick became less satisfying when he was president. My relative found his demonizing of Baltimore appalling and confessed she’d had to stop looking at his tweets. “Reagan was very genteel,” another pro-Trump friend complained to me — very much unlike Mr. Trump.
  • “How could so many of my countrymen love this man so much?” The answer may be simpler than we expect: a lot of them don’t.
  • Perhaps it is actually disturbing to consider that Trump fans’ intense public enthusiasm may be a front, because that would mean a proportion of them had a wish to throw the country into chaos. They don’t think America looks good right now, either. They think it looks bad, and they possessed — and probably still possess — such anger and cynicism about American politics that they risked a conflagration.
    • kaylynfreeman
       
      So why are they gonna vote for Trump again if Biden can make our country better? Make it make sense.
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