AMY
GOODMAN:
That’s the questioning of the head of the national intelligence,
James Clapper, by Democratic Senator Ron Wyden. Glenn Greenwald?
GLENN
GREENWALD:
OK. So, we know that to be a lie, not a misleading statement,
not something that was sort of parsed in a way that really was a
little bit deceitful, but an outright lie. They collect—they
collect data and records about the communications activities and
other behavioral activities of millions of Americans all the
time. That’s what that program is that we exposed on Wednesday.
They go to the FISA court every three
months, and they get an order compelling telephone companies to
turn over the records, that he just denied they collect, with
regard to the conversations of every single American who uses
these companies to communicate with one another. The same is
true for what they’re doing on the Internet with the
PRISM program. The same is true for
what the NSA does in all sorts of
ways.
We are going to do a
story, coming up very shortly, about the scope of the NSA’s
spying activities domestically, and I think it’s going to shock
a lot of people, because the NSA likes
to portray itself as interested only in foreign intelligence
gathering and only in targeting people who they believe are
guilty of terrorism, and yet the opposite is true. It is a
massive surveillance state of exactly the kind that the Church
Committee warned was being constructed 35 years ago. And we
intend to make all those facts available so people can see just
how vast it is and how false those kind of statements are.