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Claude Almansi

Google steals the web » TalkBiz News: The Blog (Oct 1 09?) - 0 views

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google sidewiki comments wiki

shared by Claude Almansi on 09 Oct 09 - Cached
    • Claude Almansi
      Claude Almansi on 09 Oct 09
       
      In what is this worse than this diigo sticky note I'm adding right in the text? Confining sidewiki comments to a separate bar seems more polite
  • The tech-based one is that none of the comments actually appear on your site. As I mentioned, they appear in a separate pane, which is opened by a program the visitors willingly install and use on their own computers. The first is technically true, but only in some cases, and the second is absolutely true.
    • Claude Almansi
      Claude Almansi on 09 Oct 09
       
      If they see the comment, it means they have installed the google bar and its sidewiki option. Which means that they have agreed to terms of use that describe how sidewiki comments work.
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  • If they see something there that offends them, they’re not going to blame Google’s moderation team. They’re going to blame you. They’re not going to believe that you can’t delete it if you wanted to, since “it’s on your site.”
    • Claude Almansi
      Claude Almansi on 09 Oct 09
       
      No: Google also displays sites linked to in a page containing the search words. e.g. http://www.maxmuseo.ch is totally unsearchable, because it is in Flash. Nevertheless, if you look up the museum's exhibition about Bruno Munari with the key words Munari MAX museo, there is a search result to the inaccessible flash sitee, because other searchable sites have linked to it in texts mentioning these keywords.
  • First, consider that the keywords affected which page was displayed, and that Google has added a link to the resulting page promoting their toolbar. Keep that in mind for the discussion of how many people use it at any given time.
    • Claude Almansi
      Claude Almansi on 09 Oct 09
       
      again: same with Diigo
  • That link pulls up the Sidewiki comments, in a frame that pulls the page from your site. Your content, Google’s domain, and comments from some random surfer.
    • Claude Almansi
      Claude Almansi on 09 Oct 09
       
      which can be seen only by people who have subscribed to Google web apps, though
  • Besides, you’ve just seen a more significant ad, for the long term, in the example screen shot just above. Promotion of the toolbar.
    • Claude Almansi
      Claude Almansi on 09 Oct 09
       
      New how? Diigo offers the same function and has been around since 2006
    • Claude Almansi
      Claude Almansi on 09 Oct 09
       
      New how? Diigo offers same function and has been around since 2006.
  • a new social platform
    • Claude Almansi
      Claude Almansi on 09 Oct 09
       
      Only folks who have subscribed to the web app
  • Given that a big chunk of the web population that sees them will assume those comments are part of your site,
    • Claude Almansi
      Claude Almansi on 09 Oct 09
       
      Not on your system: connected to your content.
  • on your system
    • Claude Almansi
      Claude Almansi on 09 Oct 09
       
      Neither for Diigo. And the comparison is lopsided because the equivalent of the possibility to stop receiving e-mail spam is to switch off comment view in sidewiki and in diigo comments
  • There’s nothing in their system at this point that lets you say, “Keep your hands off my content.”
    • Claude Almansi
      Claude Almansi on 09 Oct 09
       
      OK, from here on I'll stop adding notes that say "same with Diigo" - except I don't know if Diigo has the same algorhithm filter for removing subversive or inappropriate content.
  • The question at this point is probably: Why should you care about this? What possible harm could it do you?
    • Claude Almansi
      Claude Almansi on 09 Oct 09
       
      boosting your traffic, rather.
  • for stealing your traffic
    • Claude Almansi
      Claude Almansi on 09 Oct 09
       
      In what is that different from the trolling that can be done with other social web apps?
  • Google got rid of that one pretty quickly, but how much will their response time slow down as the service grows?
    • Claude Almansi
      Claude Almansi on 09 Oct 09
       
      If you don't want to be exposed to trolling comments, don't publish. That was true even in pre-electronic times
  • What kind of damage can that sort of thing do to a person’s business, when it’s shown to their best prospects? Or to visitors they paid to get from their AdWords budget?
    • Claude Almansi
      Claude Almansi on 09 Oct 09
       
      again: people who see sidewiki comments have subscribed to the feature, and should know how it works.
  • While I’m not aware of any studies on this, since no sane person would attempt them, it’s likely that the effect would be even greater if the target were seen as directly associated with the lie.
    • Claude Almansi
      Claude Almansi on 09 Oct 09
       
      This is getting rather repetitive.
  • Come on. Any idiot with some focus and a few bucks can get hold of a script that will let them create hundreds or even thousands of Gmail accounts, with next to no effort. How long do you think it will take for someone to create a script that automates use (and abuse) through Sidewiki?
    • Claude Almansi
      Claude Almansi on 09 Oct 09
       
      point already made above
  • Opt-out email is vile, but at least it offers, when real, the possibility of ending the abuse. And yes, many people will consider ANY messages displayed alongside their sites, which they did not explicitly endorse, to be abuse.
    • Claude Almansi
      Claude Almansi on 09 Oct 09
       
      This is pure speculation
  • It will take time, but you can reasonably expect 100 million or more (maybe many more) people installing and using that software. It will grow in direct proportion to the growth of Google Wave.
    • Claude Almansi
      Claude Almansi on 09 Oct 09
       
      finally someone who puts the issue in perspective.
  • Google has just made social annotation more accessible.
  • Claude Almansi on 09 Oct 09
     
    "In the most recent issue of the newsletter, I talked about conspiracy theories, and used Google as one of the examples of how conspiracies are usually nothing more than overactive imagination or simple confluences of interest.\nWe also touched on how corporations and other organizations can produce results that don't fit with the good intentions of the people who run them or work for them.\nThat last part is where this piece comes in.\nThis is where Google tries to steal the web.\nSeriously.\nBefore you decide that I'm just suffering from a knee-jerk reaction, read the whole thing. If you still think so when you're done, feel free to email me, or post your comments here.\nOh yeah… While I'm at it, I'm going to explain why I think Google's slogan, "Don't be evil," no longer has any discernible meaning.\nShortly after posting that last issue, I started seeing comments in various places about a new feature of the Google toolbar. It's called Sidewiki. It allows people to post and read comments in a left-side pane in their browser, about any website they want. ,,,"
Claude Almansi

Prova di Google Docs - 0 views

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Google_Docs Noi_Media applicazione applicazione_web collaborazione delicious foglio_di_calcolo testo web_application wiki

shared by Claude Almansi on 09 Oct 09 - Cached
  • Claude Almansi on 09 Oct 09
     
    Vale a dire della parte "Documenti" di Google Docs & Spreadsheets, un servizio che permette di creare e di modificare collettivamente dei documenti di testo e dei fogli di calcolo
Dr. Fridemar Pache

Google Sidewiki Allows Anyone To Comment About Any Site - 1 views

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shared by Dr. Fridemar Pache on 10 Nov 09 - Cached
  • Google says that’s something that its cofounders Larry Page and Sergey Brin wanted more than a system for ranking web pages. They really wanted a system to annotate pages across the web.
  • Dr. Fridemar Pache on 10 Nov 09
     
    Google's vision is a global annotation system, so no wonder that they have employed KaPingYee, the inventor of WebAnnotation.
  • Dr. Fridemar Pache on 10 Nov 09
     
    Note how much energy is behind GoogleSideWiki.
Dr. Fridemar Pache

Google Sidewiki - 1 views

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Diigo GoogleSideWiki ReframeIt AutoTagging AutoLinking

shared by Dr. Fridemar Pache on 28 Sep 09 - Cached
  • Dr. Fridemar Pache on 28 Sep 09
     
    This tests DiiGo annotations in combination with GoogleSideWiki and Twitter.
Dr. Fridemar Pache

Tip: Annotate your GoogleSideWikiPages with DiiGo - 3 views

Benefit: You can omit at least two Share-steps of Google (Twitter,Facebook) by syndicating it via DiiGo, that syndicates it to a lot more communities than Google. Of course you need the link ad...

Annotate DiiGo GoogleSideWiki

started by Dr. Fridemar Pache on 28 Sep 09 no follow-up yet
Dr. Fridemar Pache

Where to find the first wikified SideWiki - 0 views

Leaving a notice on http://www.google.com/sidewiki/entry/106004381457049451465/id/7kvBAYEjhKqzj5Aqa8LK5VtAHgQ could help to find the first real SideWiki, based on the API of SideWiki.

SideWiki WikifySideWiki ApiSideWiki SideWikiAPI

started by Dr. Fridemar Pache on 08 Oct 09 no follow-up yet
Dr. Fridemar Pache

DiiGo Group SideWiki - 1 views

Invite as many people as possible into our SideWiki group .. by using SideWiki and its syndicated social networks, such we get the critical mass. http://www.google.com/sidewiki/entry/1060043814570...

Invite Wiki SideWiki GoogleSideWiki GoogleSideWikiAtDiiGo SideWikiGroup

started by Dr. Fridemar Pache on 08 Oct 09 no follow-up yet
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