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Kurt Laitner

Attacked from Within || kuro5hin.org - 0 views

  • German sociologist Ferdinand Tönnies first investigated the difference between 'community' and 'society' (respectively, Gemeinschaft and Gesellschaft). Small groups can exist in a sense of organic community, not requiring formal rules because a sense of common mores or norms unite them. Personal relationships can be cultivated and are quite strong, and there is little need for external enforcement. John Allen's quaint description of early Usenet illustrates Tönnies' idea of community. Larger groups find community hard to sustain. Individual interest rules behavior rather than common mores. Society, as opposed to community, is based on explicit rules that require enforcement. Society possesses greater flexibility and potentially more capability, but individuals are subject to greater anomie and anti-social behavior. Internal factional conflicts occur more frequently, despite the greater modularity of individuals' function in society.
  • Society scales easily because users are interchangeable, community scales with difficulty because relationships and identity are not interchangeable.
  • we run into two opposing conceptions of identity: persistent identity and anonymity.
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  • The political science terms for what Shirky is trying to say are 'asset specificity' and 'selective incentives.' Users need to earn non-portable assets on an individual basis as a reward for constructive contributions to the community.
  • Dupe accounts, much like the shady accounting practices that allowed Enron to shift all its losses onto the balance sheets of fictive subsidiary corporations, allow the user's principal account to retain any specific incentives for constructive behavior while shifting all of the negative moderation and other penalties off onto the dupes.
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    Some absolutely brilliant bits in here - especially ambient communities, I riff off of this that everyone starts anon themselves and to everyone else, interaction quality causes the 'other identity' to begin to crystallize and be symbolically represented, and that this 'other' need not be mapped to a natural person, this gets really very very interesting at this point so I go away and think - wildcat, your thoughts?
Jack Logan

Jack (4) - Google Wave - 34 views

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    Ya'll come and give us your opinion.
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    Sorry, can't get into that wave again... Other than that; I have the impression that Wave speed has been improving greatly in the last days. It's getting almost usable now, even on large waves.
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    Try now, François!
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    thks Jack
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    Thanks Jack!! For everyone, I have added new questions and some clarification sub-questions. Check back periodically to see/contribute to this document growing. Anyone who can't get in, please contact me: underbrain.industries@googlewave.com into your Wave contacts. I will add you to the poll wave. Or if you are connected with someone who is in, they can add you. I am attempting to flesh this survey out with more functionality, please add any questions that you think will add to the discussion. Peace!
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    Continuing great job with this GWave, Frank. Come all and join in and tell all your preferences. The last junket of age is your preferences! lol And, ... I still have mine, ... for the moment. So, ... come on over before I lose some of mine ... lol
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    Morning Jack!! On the subject of the survey's map, I made it public for easy access, and we have new flag from a new participant named Barney Lerten, in Bend, Oregon.....anybody know him??? Part of the little difficulties with Wave right now...public is public. Ah well....
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    Morning Frank! Kurt and I talked a few days ago about this - he was concerned about locking things down at this point. I don't know Barney. Kurt?
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    Never heard of Barney before either. He was invited to the wave by "Public". As you say, Frank, public is public.
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    It's a concern I share. That's why i move the stuff to Wave. we need a list of eceryone in the groups Wave IDs
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    For my 2 sense...don't use Wave--set a private group here or somewhere else, that doesn't have the public/private issues of wave. the problem with wave is there is no central management--anyone can add anyone else to the wave, and pretty soon, ALL your content is visible. I suggest something a little bit more locked down, unless you want to be truly open-source, in which case, take Bent's lead, and move your discussions to codeshare.
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    hey fish!! the only issue is that I was dumb and made something public. we have the same issues on Diigo. We just need a Wave group that includes all the interested people.
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    Agree with Frank. There is no use in letting Barney tell us where he lives, if we want to use the map gadget to choose a good place for a meatspace meeting. So this particular wave, given its intent, should have been restricted to the group. In many cases, I think it could be harmless to open a wave to the public: the crowd can contribute good things, we all know that... But I still think that, by default, wave access should be restricted to group members. It would maximize the sharing of relatively private or "sensitive" information within the group. It would also help keeping the discussions on topic (side-tracking is very easy in all forum discussions and the more people you have in the conversation the more side-tracking you get). Now of course anyone in the group can invite anyone, even "Public" into the wave: just like anyone who has access to a private document can copy it and paste it on a blog or any public place.
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    Yes F1 (Francois, I will be F2)!! i think we can use the wave structures to keep things private and the fact that any of us can add anyone can be moderated by convention and the trust we have begun to build with each other. plus the reinforcement from the system, in that we all can see who has added whom. Plus the ability to delete participants will come along eventually. Thanks F1!!!
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