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o summarize, here are some quotes: * It's extremely fast to build an initial scaffold (CRUD for all entities), but I'm not sure how easy it is to customize it for real world usage * When skimming the generated sources I saw A LOT of artifacts, which I don't feel comfortable with because it means that although "officially" my code is not coupled with Roo, if I were to drop it I would have to manage all these generated artifacts myself. * This expenses example is a nightmare to follow.  The bindings/ wiring  of all the pieces both client and server is nuts. * In M2, things have been cleaned up a bit

I really do not approach the different features of 2.1 as a whole "MVP" set of things: there's  - RequestFactory and ValueStore (I don't think ValueStore has any real use besides RequestFactory, though I'd be happy to be proved wrong) for a record-oriented client-server communication;  - Cell-based widgets for efficient data-backed lists, trees and tables  - PlaceController as typed layer over History (objects rather than strings, even though it's not yet plumbed to History, which at least proves it can be used without it)  - ActivityManager as an "application controller" (to use the term from the GWT tutorials) on top of PlaceController  - and on top of that, GWT provides some base activities plumbed with RequestFactory  - and finally, though it's not documented at all, EditorSupport which works with UiBinder in a view to generate "data-binding code" (as far as I understood) You're free to use any of them independently of the others.

The main issue in MVC is that these three elements are tighly bound together: the controller has to register to both the model and the view (and unregister if either changes), and when a view serves multiple controllers or a controller uses multiple models, that becomes quickly a mess.

MVP approach is more message-oriented. All messages (events) are fired on a single EventBus that is shared by all Presenters. Each presenter listens to events of interest, and fires new events according to actions. So a change in the in the EmployeeModel may be fired with an EmployeeModelChangedEvent, instead of attaching a listener to the model object. And we can easily create new Presenters that receive that same event and react accordingly.

The magnitude of such a shift is great: the model is no more the center and source of events (which would require special care in attaching and detaching to a specific instance), but it more a passive container of data, which may be copied, proxied, transformed, cached, without the GWT appliction any special care.Since the model is more a container of data ment for communication, I've highlighted the fact that it needs to be Serializable.

've started prototyping with Activities and can now give some more feedback on how it compares to my previous own implementation of a PlaceManager and how I used it with MVP.

how does the PlaceChange Event gets fired?? As of 2.1M2, PlaceController still isn't bound to History, so only PlaceController#goTo will fire first a PlaceChangeRequestedEvent (which can be rejected) and then (if the first hasn't been rejected by listeners) a PlaceChangeEvent.

he generally adopted way of doing things in GWT is to have custom events go through the event bus. In this case, you're talking about "navigation", so maybe the concept of "place" would be better than "just" some custom event. I encourage you to look at gwt-platform, gwt- presenter and other MVP frameworks for GWT, and/or look at the Activity concept from the upcoming GWT 2.1. Using actvities, you'd have an ActivityManager managing your "center". The tree would use the PlaceController.goTo to navigate to a new "place". An ActivityMapper (that you passed to the ActivityManager in the constructor) would map the place to an Activity (a presenter), and the ActivityManager will manage the current Activity for the display it manages, i.e.it will stop() the current activity if its ok (willStop returns true) and then only start the new Activity, which will call the Display back to show its view. The tree would probably also listen to PlaceChangeEvent on the event bus to update the selected item depending on the current place (in case some other component calls the PlaceController.goTo)

he generally adopted way of doing things in GWT is to have custom events go through the event bus. In this case, you're talking about "navigation", so maybe the concept of "place" would be better than "just" some custom event. I encourage you to look at gwt-platform, gwt- presenter and other MVP frameworks for GWT, and/or look at the Activity concept from the upcoming GWT 2.1.

Using actvities, you'd have an ActivityManager managing your "center". The tree would use the PlaceController.goTo to navigate to a new "place". An ActivityMapper (that you passed to the ActivityManager in the constructor) would map the place to an Activity (a presenter), and the ActivityManager will manage the current Activity for the display it manages, i.e.it will stop() the current activity if its ok (willStop returns true) and then only start the new Activity, which will call the Display back to show its view. The tree would probably also listen to PlaceChangeEvent on the event bus to update the selected item depending on the current place (in case some other component calls the PlaceController.goTo)

Views A key concept of MVP development is that a view is defined by an interface. This allows multiple view implementations based on client characteristics (such as mobile vs. desktop) and also facilitates lightweight unit testing by avoiding the time-consuming GWTTestCase. There is no View interface or class in GWT which views must implement or extend; however, GWT 2.1 introduces an IsWidget interface that is implemented by most Widgets as well as Composite. It is useful for views to extend IsWidget if they do in fact provide a Widget. Here is a simple view from our sample app. public interface GoodbyeView extends IsWidget {    void setName(String goodbyeName);} The corresponding implementation extends Composite, which keeps dependencies on a particular Widget from leaking out. public class GoodbyeViewImpl extends Composite implements GoodbyeView {    SimplePanel viewPanel = new SimplePanel();    Element nameSpan = DOM.createSpan();    public GoodbyeViewImpl() {        viewPanel.getElement().appendChild(nameSpan);        initWidget(viewPanel);    }    @Override    public void setName(String name) {        nameSpan.setInnerText("Good-bye, " + name);    }}

A place in GWT 2.1 is a Java object representing a particular state of the UI. A Place can be converted to and from a URL history token (see GWT's History object) by defining a PlaceTokenizer for each Place, and the PlaceHistoryHandler automatically updates the browser URL corresponding to each Place in your app.

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