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Virtualization has been setting the stage for many of these issues for years, he said, but “what cloud computing is forcing us to look at is the survivability of systems…and protecting the data,” Hoff said. “While I hear the perimeter is going away [as a security approach], I disagree; it’s multiplying and the diameter is contracting,” Hoff said. “You’re going to outsource responsibility, but not accountability. So we need open standards and better visibility.”