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Rose Cherubin

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    • Rose Cherubin
       
      One of several very perceptive references to Aristotle. Not sure whether Hughes is noting that for Aristotle, some sorts of knowledge are worthwhile even when they are not immediately practical; but Hughes makes the same point himself.
  • as Aristotle observed long before Darwin, “all men, by nature, desire to know.” But from an evolutionary perspective, it is by no means obvious that there is always a fitness advantage to knowing the truth.
    • Rose Cherubin
       
      It would be good to trace the rhetorical moves involved, the moves that make this kind of "storytelling" look different from the Mfudldik stories.
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    • Rose Cherubin
       
      Not sure whether this is what Hughes is thinking about, but he's pointing up something about the relationship between aletheia and phronesis here (not just about truth and phronesis). That's too lengthy for a note; but there is a clear connection to the Eumenides here, I think. Athena revamps the universe in such a way as to make phronesis and episteme possible (also, I think, the pursiut of aletheia by means of human inquiry).
  • Part of this evolutionary approach to ethics tends toward a debunking of morality. Since our standards of morality result from natural selection for traits that were useful to our ancestors, the debunkers argue, these moral standards must not refer to any objective ethical truths. But just because certain beliefs about morality were useful for our ancestors does not make them necessarily false. It would be hard to make a similar case, for example, against the accuracy of our visual perception based on its usefulness to our ancestors, or against the truth of arithmetic based on the same. True ethical statements — if indeed they exist — are of a very different sort from true statements of arithmetic or observational science. One might argue that our ancestors evolved the ability to understand human nature and, therefore, they could derive true ethical statements from an understanding of that nature. But this is hardly a novel discovery of modern science: Aristotle made the latter point in the Nicomachean Ethics.
  • but it is difficult to see what is added to Aristotle’s understanding if we say that we are able to reason as he did as the result of an evolutionary process. (A parallel argument could be made about Kantian ethics.)
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    Interesting reflection on "scientism" and philosophy, by way of some Aristotle.
Chris Long

Christoper P. Long, Aristotle on The Nature of Truth | Cosci | Universa. Recensioni di ... - 5 views

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    Congratulations, Chris - from the review, it's clear that the book is bringing people to questions and approaches that are new to them. That the reviewer calls Crivelli's book 'accuratissima' and still apprehends much of the power of what you're doing reflects major accomplishments on your part. (I'd differ as to whether Crivelli's book is 'accuratissima,' but that's another issue, and not in any way to detract from the value of the philosophical work involved.)
Chris Long

Aristotle and the Nature of Truth // Reviews // Philosophical Reviews // University of ... - 1 views

  • I mentioned at the outset that there are also passages that resist Long's interpretation. We might note just one example of this. In his reiteration of the oft-cited passage from book I of the Politics (Pol. I.1253a15-18), where the fundamental human possession of the logos is connected to the ability to say what appears as beneficial and harmful, just and unjust in one's polis, Long wants to hear Aristotle saying that because we are beings addressed by the saying of things (i.e., we have logos), we are compelled to say those things truthfully or in their mode of appearing (i.e., do them justice). This amounts to a somewhat misleading restatement of Aristotle's Greek, indeed even a mistranslation. For Long renders Aristotle's ho de logos epi tô(i) dêloun esti as "logos is . . . that on the basis of which something appears" (92). He thereby makes the article of the articular infinitive that the preposition is governing (tô(i) dêloun) function as a relative pronoun. The more obvious reading would be, "But the logos is toward/for the purpose of making clear [the beneficial and the harmful, the just and the unjust]." This difference is important, for the passage properly rendered does not describe logos as a ground out of which a sense for justice arises and becomes clear, but as a tool that is in its very being somehow "toward" the political function of making these issues clear.
    • Chris Long
       
      Interestingly, Gonzalez seems to take the opposite position, saying that in the Greek it is "logos" that is "epi." The passage to which Kirkland appeals here is a paraphrase of the entire passage which takes "to sumpheron" and "to blaberon", the beneficial and the harmful as the objects of the appearing.  If Gonzalez is right that I perhaps ought not have used the vocabulary of grounding in translating the passage on p. 89 of the book, still, I do not take the article of the articular infinitive as a relative pronoun.  The passage says that logos makes clear the beneficial and the harmful and thus also the just and the unjust. My main point is that legein and appearing together uncover what is just and unjust remains untouched by this criticism. 
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    Sean Kirkland's review of Aristotle on the Nature of Truth
Chris Long

In the Middle: Twisted Aristotle and the Great Indoors: Re-Booting Ontology with Graham... - 2 views

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    Just a quick thank you for this, Chris, as I'm scrambling to prepare for the SAGP meeting this weekend; I'll respond in more detail later. Your discussion of tode ti and to ti en einai in the book is excellent and rich. Respect for "things," i.e. giving what-is its due, does seem to connect dike and aletheia (and hence the purposive and the descriptive aspects of noein) in both Aristotle and Parmenides. I have some concerns about thinking/speaking in tems of objects, though, on two levels. I think you may share them, and I'm sure you have a better understanding of the issues than I do. The first is that in studying Greek thought about onta, we must look carefully to see whether we retain any traces of a notion of "object" that is complementary to "subject." The second has to do with boundaries and Parmenides/Zeno. In Parmenides it seems that we need to suppose both distinct things and a binding by dike, ananke, and moira that is at odds with distinctions; and that distinctions embody something unavoidably arbitrary (and so in conflict with at least one aspect of dike, ananke, and moira). I will add more when I return (unless you let me know I'm barking up a vastly wrong tree); so again, thank you and best wishes for this conference weekend!
Rose Cherubin

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    ὣς τρίετες μὲν ἔληθε δόλῳ καὶ ἔπειθεν Ἀχαιούς: Penelope persuades the suitors that she is finishing the shroud of Laertes, by concealing the fact that she has been unraveling much of what she weaves each day. This shows the bivalence of persuasion - not only can it go on whether the object is aletheia or something else, and not only can the content of which one is persuaded be alethes or otherwise; but what is persuasive can be aletheia or its opposite (lethe). This has something to do with justice (dike), in so far as dike and peitho are often linked when one is talking about settling disputes or "doing justice" by civic or other non-violent means.
Rose Cherubin

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    χρήμασι πειθόμενος εὔδοξος κακόδοξον, ἐπεὶ κρατερή μιν ἀνάγκη - Theognis appears to be urging Cyrnus not to do what many others do, namely marrying someone of bad parentage (whatever that means) or bad reputation (doxa) for his or her wealth. He says that such people are persuaded/convinced by possessions (chremasi peithomenos), and that ananke makes them ready, or urges them (ananke entunei) to do such things. In the next few lines, Theognis says that getting things in an unrighteous manner will eventually be punished by the gods. How of at all this is connected with the quoted lines is unclear. While marrying someone for gain may not be unjust, marrying a person whose wealth, or whose family's wealth, was ill-gotten would seem to be attaching oneself to injustice. Thus if the "bad parentage" or bad reputation have to do with shady profits, the two passages are linked. Noteworthy here are the close association of peitho and ananke, and the reference to ananke as something that constrains one's circumstances but does not force action. It may force a choice (marry for money or remain in poverty). But Theognis does not seem to be saying that it is necessary, in any sense, for people to marry for wealth. He seems to be saying that when one is in constrained circumstances (the ananke), one often becomes ready to do such things.
Rose Cherubin

Pindar, Olympian, Olympian 1.82 - 476 B. C. - 0 views

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    θανεῖν δ' οἷσιν ἀνάγκα, τά κέ τις ἀνώνυμον... - Pelops prays to Poseidon, saying that since all are compelled (ananka) to die, why should anyone sit stewing idly in an anonymous old age in the shadows, without a share in anything beautiful/noble? It's not clear whether Pelops/Pindar means that the great deed he's going to attempt will give him something that will make his old age less useless and obscure (or else make sure he doesn't have an old age); or whether he thinks that old age will be anonymous and ineffectual no matter what he does when young, so he might as well try for something great while young (because it's now or never). What may be of interest is the juxtaposition of ananke and the anonymous. Great deeds, especially when sung by a great poet, were supposed to be the only way one could *partially* escape oblivion. This then brings up Thayer's aletheia paradox: if aletheia is what is worth remembering/saving from anonymity, it is then the suppression or abandoning of other things, and so not a complete account. But if it's a complete accounting, it can't be so inclusive as to have no meaning or direction (incorporating random facts). Then there must be some way of determining how things are related to one another and which are most important (and how so) to the account one is trying to give. But that involves some directive principle that needs to be known, or posited, before having the aletheia, as part of the very notion of aletheia. This, then, opens the question of ananke's relationship to any kind of valuation or direction.
Rose Cherubin

Aeschylus, Eumenides, line 426 - 0 views

  • ἄλλαις ἀνάγκαις, ἤ τινος τρέων κότον
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    The Erinues have said that they pursue Orestes because he "deemed it fit/worthy (ἠξιώσατο) to murder his mother. Athena asks whether this was due to "some other constraint or through fleeing [in fear] from someone's wrath," ἄλλαις ἀνάγκαις, ἤ τινος τρέων κότον;. Here fear of wrath, or acts of wrath, would seem to be a source of constraint. Athena wonders whether it is some constraint that brought Orestes to *deem it fit* to kill Clytemnestra. She seems to think that he would not do something so awful without constraint. Thus ananke does not merely prevent people from doing great or virtuous deeds (e.g. through poverty or illness), but it can go as far as to push people into bad deeds.
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    I would love it if you took a look at this essay of mine on Athena and the Erinues. It is going to be the first chapter of my next book project on patriarchal force. The issue you touch upon here is important in my essay because I recognize the way Athena appeals to force with the Erinues but does not use it - uses persuasion instead. The appeal to force can also be used to turn a disruptive influence into a productive one. http://www.personal.psu.edu/cpl2/blogs/cplportfolio/2007/10/the-daughters-of-metis.html
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    I'd be honored to take a look and see whether there's anything I can offer that would be helpful. It may take me a day or 2. For now: You're making a great point about one of the many tensions in the play: Athena essentially says "We can do it the hard way or the easy way, but we're going to do what I say no matter what." She patiently and respectfully works to persuade the Erinues, but she does make clear that if they don't accept the persuasion, she'll defeat them with force. (And they point out that if she does force anything on them, they'll wreak havoc.) One thing this seems to portray is the position that at least some kinds of persuasion need to be backed by they threat of force. But there's another element to the way Athena deals with the Erinues: She does not merely flatter them, or offer them tributes and gifts (modes of persuasion easily seen in Homer). She does that, of course (they are her elders, and she's the only god I've ever seen portrayed as acting respectful rather than fawning or cowed). But she also rearranges the universe and the customs. In other words she changes the world, and humans' and gods' relationships (and worldviews) in it.
Rose Cherubin

Aeschylus, Libation Bearers, line 754 - 0 views

  • ὡσπερεὶ βοτὸν τρέφειν ἀνάγκη,
    • Rose Cherubin
       
      Here ananke clearly refers to physical need: a baby's need for food, drink, elimination. These are constraints, but they are in accordance with "nature"; they're how "nature" works. This contrasts with Aristotle's use of the notion of ananke to refer to what it takes for something to go against its natural tendency (a rock only goes up to the extent that it is forced, constrained to do so, e.g. by throwing; by nature it falls down).
    • Rose Cherubin
       
      Choe. 753-4: physical need
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    This is an important sense of necessity that is often muted in Greek philosophy, but it seems to be deeply rooted in Greek tragedy and poetry. This sense of ἀνάγκη seems to relate to the practices of nourishment and care. Yet, there still remains in this sense of the term the notion of compulsion and constraint insofar as we mortals require for our continuing existence nourishment and care. Thanks for pointing to these passages. I think they might help with a project I am going to start working on soon related to patriarchy and politics.
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    I'm glad if these are helpful. Nice point that this sense of ἀνάγκη is prominent in poetry and is less so in philosophy. There are several other senses that are also very prominent in poetry, and that are in some ways at odds with this one: the yoke of slavery (I'll post a reference to that) is also ἀνάγκη; as are other kinds of imprisoning fetters (as in Prometheus). And then it is used in reference to constraints of circumstances (e.g. poverty) and of propriety or custom (but not in the same way as χρἠ - type words). I think Aristotle struggles to untangle these, so that he can think about which kinds of compulsion are inevitable, about how to contrast regularities of phusis with other kinds of rigors (throwing the rock upward compels it up, and he doesn't want to use the same term for what *makes* it come down), about whether some kinds of compulsion might be more appropriate under given circumstances than others; or in all, how compulsion/necessity and the why of things fit together. Parmenides seems to be working on this too, in a different way - I think he may be trying to work out what might compel *besides* force and seduction.
Rose Cherubin

Pindar fr. 94a (pp. 322-323) - 1 views

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    βιαίᾳ δαμεὶς ἀνάγκᾳ - whoever has children and is "not completely overcome/mastered by the violence/force of necessity" lives escaped from distressing/painful toil. The "necessity" would seem to be hard circumstances - that is, situations where survival is especially difficult or painful. From the context it's not possible to tell whether Pindar refers to physical or emotional hardship or both.
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    I wonder too about the connection between having children and "being completely overcome by the force of necessity." What is the nature of the "καὶ" connecting them? I doubt the context can help us there, but in any case, the two ideas are connected in Pindar's mind, it seems.
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    Yes, there really isn't much context; the fragment is 20 lines long. One obvious connection is that children could support one in old age or infirmity. And Aristotle in NE I. 13 writes with feeling about the (non-material) desolation of a man whose children predecease him, and that could be meant here too. But there may be another factor: in the previous stanza Pindar says that mortals have "immortal days" (athanatai...hamerai), but a mortal body. This is in reference to one's descendants carrying on successfully or in good fortune (eutuchias) for "unbroken time. So children, at least if *they* are overcome neither by necessity or by injustice or by amechanie, will keep one from oblivion and thus in one sense from being overcome; and one's toils will bear fruit in that sense. (That's my guess, anyway.)
Chris Long

Gonzalez Review of Aristotle on the Nature of Truth - 9 views

  • its main aim is an account of the nature of truth which strictly exceeds anything Aristotle explicitly said or even thought. An arguably more accurate title would therefore have been On the Nature of Truth with Aristotle.
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      The original title was to have been: The Saying of Things: The Nature of Truth and the Truth of Nature as Justice. The title was rejected as too obscure partly because it did not refer at all to Aristotle. I like the idea of using "with Aristotle."
  • Truth is therefore not correspondence (see also 164), but rather propriation: “the attempt to articulate . . . what is proper to each” without simply appropriating (249).
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      Frank opts for the Heideggerian formulation, which is understandable given his own very interesting work on Heidegger's interpretation of Aristotle. In the book, however, I emphasize truth as the ability to respond or, co-response-ability (24, 37, 39, 45).
    • Rose Cherubin
       
      This certainly suggests a movement beyond earlier Greek notions of aletheia; it would be interesting to hear your thoughts on how Aristotle responds to (diverges from, incorporates) these earlier understandings of aletheia. What I have in mind specifically is the idea of aletheia as comprehensive and as facing what is, without avoidance or distortion. (I argued for this in "Aletheia from Poetry into Philosophy: Homer to Parmenides," here: http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN9781438427355 .) One can see a respect for an ecology in Parmenides' use, I believe. Yet in the 5th century I haven't seen the idea of responsiveness, or of appropriate resonse. An interesting "starter" bibliography is here: http://www.ontology-2.com/idx01b.htm . See especially Thomas Cole, "Archaic Truth," QUCC New Series, Vol. 13, No. 1 (1983), pp. 7-28 (http://www.jstor.org/stable/20538760); and Tilman Krischer, "ΕΤΥΜΟΣ und ΑΛΗΘΗΣ," Philologus 109 (1965), pp. 161-174.
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      Rose, the second chapter of the book, entitled 'A History of Truth as Cor-respondence', traces a transition in the meaning of aletheia from Homer through Simonides to Herodotus. I mention the role of your friend Parmenides, or at least some of the things he has his goddess say, in this context (see, pp. 28-33). The trajectory I outline illustrates how aletheia has always been 1) closely associated with verbs of saying and 2) intimately bound up with concrete inter-human relationships. Increasingly, though, it begins to point to the dynamic of revealing and concealing endemic to the human relation to things. I follow Heribert Boeder suggestion that logos means both "the caring attention to a determinate thing" and the relationship we have to each thing which "existis according to its own peculiarity." I conclude that section of the book this way: "Truth as aletheia is conditioned by this twofold saying: the saying of things. Here, things become the genuine witnesses to the truth; and truth becomes a matter of doing justice to the testimony of things." (33). I wonder if we could think more about the connection between the showing of aletheia and the notion of deiknumi, showing forth, which you have suggested to me is connected with dike, or justice.
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      Yes, it was that chapter I was looking at. Your point there about trust as part of the relationship of aletheia is very important; the role of the recipient or addressee of an account that gives the aletheia is often overlooked. Related to the notion of aletheia-telling as part of worthy or appropriate conduct in interpersonal or political settings, and another angle on the issue on which I'd like to hear you expand, is this. Parmenides breaks with earlier accounts of aletheia in at least these two ways: (a) He suggests that one can seek aletheia, or at least orient oneself towards it, by means of reasoned inquiry. Previously one became able to give the aletheia either by having eyewitness knowledge and being a respected person, or by getting some insight from the gods (if they didn't feel like deceiving at the time). (b) He suggests that one does not have to be a member of the divinity or a god/goddess in order to have access to aletheia; one could gain access not only by battlefield valor or high birth but by reasoning and comprehensive awareness (contrasting with the selective awareness associated with some customs?). In fact, only by going through realms that are not his own (other cities, an area belonging to and ruled by females) can the young man even learn how to inquire. But attitudes toward aletheia, what is required individually and socially for receptivity to it, are implied but not directly stated. The only thing I can thing of that comes close is the claim that the young man travels beyond all cities, but is brought to the goddess by Dike and Themis. That is, on one hand he's going beyond the reach of customs as they are known; on the other hand he is supported by right (which is usually associated with custom and usage). There is something else in Parmenides that may be relevant, may make his account a sort of precursor of what you've presented in Aristotle; I'll put that in a diffe
  • What is unclear, of course, is how we are supposed to ‘hear’ in Aristotle a possibility not at all articulated there.
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      This is a crucial question, for it points to the methodological approach of the entire book, namely that of legomenology. Without understanding the meaning and significance of legomenology, what animates the book as a work of philosophy, as opposed to philological reconstruction, is lost.
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  • If we can speak of a ‘grounding’ here at all, in the Greek it is λόγος that is ἐπί, and therefore ‘grounded in,’ the revealing of the just and unjust, not the other way around.
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      The "epi" does go with the dative "toi deloun," thus suggesting that the appearing is the condition upon which logos articulates the beneficial and the harmful, the just and unjust. I would accept the suggested emendation if logos is understood itself to be a way of revealing so that the difference between logos "grounding" and "being grounded in" appearing is not a question of the priority of one over the other. This is the crux of the issue: legein is a way of revealing. 
  • Faced with such explicit statements Long can only appeal to the “deepest significance” of grammar, insisting that in the articulation ἡ νοήσις νοήσεως νοήσις, the genitive by itself implies difference and potency (236). On the next page Long indeed must grant that this is something Aristotle “himself might have, strictly speaking, rejected” (237). Might have?
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      These sentences, with the provocative rhetorical question, illustrate the degree to which Frank has refused to take the legomenological method seriously. By explicitly indicating Aristotle's likely disagreement here - can one really presume certainty? - I was attempting to be candid about where I depart company with Aristotle. And yet, the truth is articulated in the way the thing is said. The very attempt to put God into words as pure energeia reveals the dynamis always already at work.
  • while for Aristotle the unmoved mover is the object of love and thus of a relation, Long turns Aristotle’s claim on its head by characterizing the being and activity of the unmoved mover as itself erotic and relational: “Thus, indeed, the divine does not point to a transcendental principle; rather, it articulates an erotic activity in the middle voice” (238).
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      I would be willing to accept turning Aristotle on his head; but actually, I claim that god is relationality, not that god is relational. When I speak about "relationality" I mean to point to the enabling condition that allows for things to enter into relation in the first place, perhaps I could call it the erotic site of relational happening.
  • But then if Long’s characterization of the unmoved mover cannot stand as an interpretation of Aristotle—and it is hard to imagine how it ever could—then neither can his account of truth. The unmoved mover would in this case suggest a very different conception of truth: not dialogue, not correspondence, but a being-at-one-with what is thought.
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      I am not sure how this follows. If one understands god as relationality, then truth can indeed be understood in terms of the ability to respond to and with the things we encounter; an ability rooted in the middle voiced erotic activity that is relationality, i.e. god. Of course, the polemical force of the claim "and it is hard to imagine how it ever could" is aimed at a straw-man, because I granted, as cited, that this reading of god might go beyond anything Aristotle would have recognized.  And yet, the power of his thinking and his willingness to attempt to put god into words give it voice.
  • Even the distinction between thinking and perceiving is downplayed, as Long insists that “perceiving the forms of things is not a matter of pure receptivity—it is, rather, a way of cooperating with the λόγος of things” (119). His textual basis is the phrase κατὰ τὸν λόγον at De Anima 424a17-19. But whether the λόγος in question here is the form of things without the matter or the λόγος of the sense organ, what could it mean to ‘cooperate’ with this λόγος? What ‘give and take’ is there in the sense organ receiving the form like the wax receiving the impression of the signet ring? Long goes so far as to claim that “perceiving is dialogical: it names a cooperation according to λόγος between the powers of the soul and the things already at-work in such a way as to be perceived” (124). Long himself cites Kurt Pritzl's just observation that it is “remarkable how much Aristotle’s account of cognition, including thinking, is taken up with describing cognitive faculties as passive” (p. 140, n. 67). Long, though oddly citing this observation without comment, still insists on the active character of the passive intellect and on perception being an active ‘cooperation’ with things.
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      There are a number of very complex issues here, which I attempt to address in some detail by an analysis of the meaning of aisthanesthai, a middle voiced verb, in chapter 5. So long as an anachronistic position that posits the mutual exclusion of the active and the passive continues to be the lens through which these Greek texts are read, we will continue to be blind to the philosophical value of the Greek middle voice. 
  • It is hard to come away from this book not thinking that if ‘dialogue’ is the metaphysical, psychological and ethical paradigm for Long, for Aristotle it is self-identity.
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      This may be the case, and if it is, I have considered the implications of the philosophy of self-identity in my article, "Totalizing Identities: The Ambiguous Legacy of Aristotle and Hegel after Auschwitz." http://www.personal.psu.edu/cpl2/blogs/cplportfolio/2003/05/totalizing-identities.html
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      Your phrase 'totalizing tendency' in that article is very rich. Your focus in the article is how that tendency is displayed in what Aristotle *says* (including, as you note, what he says in response to what others have said). This raises a question about what Aristotle *does*, what moves he makes, how he proceeds, what steps he takes in his inquiries. I think I see him making moves at least some of the time that are in tension or conflict with the totalizing tendency. (I'm not saying he doesn't have a totalizing tendency; I'm suggesting that what A. does may provide further support for your thesis that the attempts at totalization are ambiguous or odd by modern standards of identity.) Consider e.g. Aristotle's periodic announcements, in mid-inquiry, that it's necessary to make a fresh start. Thus the inquiry as a whole is not continuous, but has internal breaks. Consider also Aristotle's interest in investigating hypotheses; the famous account of virtue in NE II.7 is thick with 'ei.' Some of the things that he reports that "we say" or that "are said" are things he presents as not certain but plausible premises (e.g. we *say* we understand something when we *think* we know its aitia, 982b25). I mention this because you brought in Arendt's account of totalitarian systematization. If we attend closely to *how* Aristotle proceeds, we will not gain the kind of pseudo-scientific, unfalsifiable account that Arendt found in totalitarian ideologies. The discontinuities, aporiai, acknowledgments of less-than-well-founded knowledge, and so on suggest a sensitivity to the tensions between stable knowledge and a world of change, between unifying and separating features, and on through the Heraclitean list.
  • Here, perhaps, Aristotle has something to teach us.
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      I think this is what both Aquinas and Hegel thought Aristotle had to teach us. But the refusal to embrace finitude has misled philosophy for a very long time.
Rose Cherubin

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  • ἀνάγκη Ζηνὸς αἰδεῖσθαι κότον
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    The King of Argos says that he is forced to take on a war against one side or another (Libyans or Egyptians); he is forced, that is, to choose a side and make war against the other. He has suggested that he would be able to decide if he knew whether the Danaids' request for sanctuary and defense was just (438, 397ff., 387ff., and especially 343-344).
Rose Cherubin

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  • οὐδ᾽ ἔτι δασμοφοροῦσιν δεσποσύνοισιν ἀνάγκαις
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    οὐδ᾽ ἔτι δασμοφοροῦσιν δεσποσύνοισιν ἀνάγκαις - Atossa says that the peoples of Asia will "no longer be subject to tribute by the force/compulsion of the King" of Persia, will no longer prostrate themselves in awe of him, and will no longer (591-4) guard their tongues now that the "yoke of power has been loosened/undone": ἐλύθη ζυγὸν ἀλκᾶς .
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Rose Cherubin

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  • ἀνάγκη πημονὰς βροτοῖς φέρειν θεῶν διδόντων:
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    αναγκη πημονας βροτοις φερειν θεων διδοντων - "It is necessary for mortals to bear baneful things when these are sent by gods." Atossa steels herself and asks for further details of the battle losses
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Rose Cherubin

Pindar, Nemean, Nemean 8 - 0 views

  • τὸν μὲν ἁμέροις ἀνάγκας χερσὶ βαστάζεις,
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      Nemean 8
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    although Pindar usually refers to ananke in terms of yoke or compulsion, this passage has Hera able to hold/carry people in gentle hands of necessity or otherwise.
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Rose Cherubin

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  • γαστρὸς ἀνάγκαις.
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      Agamemnon 726
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    refers to physical need for food
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Rose Cherubin

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  • προσαυδᾶν δ᾽ ἐστ᾽ ἀναγκαίως ἔχον 240πατέρα τε
    • Rose Cherubin
       
      Choe. 239 Electra tells Orestes that she "must needs" (Smyth) call him father. What the "must" refers to could be one or more of several things. If Orestes gains control of their household, she will be required by custom/law/usage to treat him as "father" (head of household). Also, they are in this position because of the constraints imposed by Agamemnon's murder (this constraint could be in part divine in origin). The third element of constraint can be seen from the fact that Orestes is not yet in charge, yet Electra says she should call him father. That is, the "force" of right as perceived by Electra impels her to call him father.
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Rose Cherubin

Aeschylus, Prometheus Bound, line 101 - 0 views

  • ἀνάγκαις ταῖσδ᾽ ἐνέζευγμαι
    • Rose Cherubin
       
      In PV ananke is literally a yoke. It serves or enforces something imposed seemingly ad hoc and possibly arbitrarily (as opposed to according to some general principle) by Zeus.
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      PV 108
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Chris Long

Hyland Comments on Aristotle on the Nature of Truth - Christopher P. Long's ePortfolio - 2 views

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    Drew Hyland's wonder-ful response calls upon rightness and generosity, upon virtue. It's in that light that I'd like to offer some observations that I hope are helpful, on deiknumi, dike, and noein. As you and I have discussed, it's often suggested that 'dike' and 'deiknumi' are etymologically related. I've posted a bookmark to an online version of Chantraine's Dictionnaire Etymologique; here's what he says in the δικη section: "Il est clair que le terme est apparenté à δεικνυμι «montrer, désigner» ... ; ainsi s'explique à la fois le sens général de « manière, usage » et celui de «jugement» développé dans un vocabulaire technique; le sens originel serait «direction», p.-ê. aussi «ligne marquée » (p. 284 - unfortunately the PDF cannot be highlighted). Thus the deiknumi connection is not on the punishing/retribution side of dike, but on the norm/regularity/way-of/nature side. Also, there is in deiknumi something that may not be obvious in dike: the notion of direction. And that brings me to noein, and Drew's comments. You translate noein and its relatives (noesis, noema) in Aristotle with 'thinking' and its relatives. This is an important sense, and really comes to the foreground in Aristotle. Yet noein and related words have other senses, and one that might be useful here is 'intend, plan.' This sense is much more prominent in earlier authors, and perhaps less so in Aristotle. But do you think he might have some of this sense in mind, especially if he is grappling with the appropriate place of things and of inquiry, with the question of what the direction of the whole (polis, universe) might be, and so on?
Rose Cherubin

Dictionnaire-Etymologique-Grec : Chantraiine : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Arc... - 0 views

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    Chantraine Dictionnaire Etymologique 1977 in various formats
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