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Church body not State agency uncovered Cloyne practices - The Irish Times - Fri, Jul 22... - 0 views

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Ireland Roman Catholic sexual-abuse abuse of power corruption scandal Cloyne

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  • This board carried out its investigation within a context where we had been waiting for several years for a coherent statutory framework to be created for child protection services in this country.
  • Possibly the most significant development that happened during the investigation of Cloyne was that the hierarchy did attempt to mislead us. False documents and evidence were supplied
    • isabella R
      isabella R on 26 Aug 12
       
      This group is not part of the "Church Body"-and claiming that the church, and not the state uncovered the abuse-is laughable. ALL ABUSE IS "DISCOVERED" BEFORE IT IS REPORTED TO THE STATE...BUT, EVEN THIS "CHURCH-SPONSORED" GROUP CLAIMS THE CHURCH (AS IN THE "REAL" CHURCH BODY) TRIED TO HIDE THE NEEDED INFORMATION...AND EVEN "MISLED" (THAT IS CALLED LYING BY MOST PEOPLE) THE GROUP TO TTRY TO MAKE THEM INEFFECTIVE.... So is it a "body" divided against itself...or is it as it has always been....The clerics vs the powerless laity-or BUSINESS AS USUAL "So, the best way to prevent another Cloyne from happening is for the church to adopt a strategy of independent, standards-based, monitoring across all of the church with a commitment to publication of the findings"
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  • The national board constantly monitors the behaviour of the church, responds regularly to individual requests whether from concerned people, those stating that they have been abused and often from men and women of the cloth.
  • The safeguarding framework that exists within the church is volunteer led. They work tirelessly to ensure that standards are upheld. Trained volunteers who give of their time freely and who do need support. And they are getting it
  • Nor is it working in the perfect context
  • So, the best way to prevent another Cloyne from happening is for the church to adopt a strategy of independent, standards-based, monitoring across all of the church with a commitment to publication of the findings
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Roman Catholic abuse of power sexual-abuse scandal Ireland Cloyne

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  • The report cited a 1997 letter sent to the Irish bishops' conference by then-nuncio Archbishop Luciano Storero (1926-2000), who stated that the Congregation for Clergy considered the child protection guidelines outlined in "Child Sexual Abuse: Framework for a Church Response" as a mere "study document."
    • isabella R
      isabella R on 26 Aug 12
       
      SAY WHAT???????
    • isabella R
      isabella R on 26 Aug 12
       
      "the severity of certain criticisms of the Vatican are curious, as if the Holy See was guilty of not having given merit under canon law to norms which a state did not consider necessary to give value under civil law." CAN YOU SAY LOOPHOLE---LOOKING FOR ANY AND EVERY LETTER OF THE LAW....AND SURELY NOT USING COMMON SENSE...AND THIS CAT AND MOUSE GAME WILL GO ON FOREVER...OR AT LEAST THERE ARE AT LEAST 1 PRIEST AND A COUPLE OF LAITY LEFT IN THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH
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  • . In fact, it warned against the risk that measures were being taken which could later turn out to be questionable or invalid from the canonical point of view, thus defeating the purpose of the effective sanctions proposed by the Irish bishops.
    • isabella R
      isabella R on 26 Aug 12
       
      YOU WANT STATE STATUS AND TO PLAY WITH THE BIG BOYS?????   IF YOU THINK COMMUNICATIONS BETWEEN STATES SHOULD BE POLITE, THEN YOU HAVE NOT BEEN PAYING ATTENTION....SHOW UP FOR A FEW MEETINGS AT THE UN (THAT DON'T INVOLVE ABORTION) AND LISTEN TO THESE "REAONABLE" DELEGATES AND THEIR POLITE DISCUSSIONS.
  • Referring specifically to the letter's objection to "mandatory reporting,"
  • "the severity of certain criticisms of the Vatican are curious, as if the Holy See was guilty of not having given merit under canon law to norms which a state did not consider necessary to give value under civil law."
  • Father Lombardi stated the text of the letter has been misinterpreted, and that "there is no reason to interpret that letter as being intended to cover up cases of abuse."
  • Not only is Mr. Kenny's language intemperate for any Prime Minister to use when  speaking of another State, or  Head of State, but what he says is UNTRUE.
    • isabella R
      isabella R on 26 Aug 12
       
      AND NONE OF THE TAXPAYER MONEY GOES TO PAY FOR ANY ABORTION....NOT ONE RED CENT.
  • They have been invited to the meeting to discuss a €200 million shortfall in an expected 50:50 contribution by them to costs incurred by the State in compensating former residents of the institutions.
    • isabella R
      isabella R on 26 Aug 12
       
      IS THIS THE "CHURCH BODY" THAT CLAIMS IT WAS THEM AND NOT THE STATE THAT "DISCOVERED" ABUSES????  JUST ASKING
  • American taxpayers are being forced to directly support this abortion-
  • I’m asking them for a 50:50 contribution. The taxpayer has already paid out the bulk of it. Their share should be about €680 million and they are half shy of that . . . they need to do far more.
  • The first the congregations heard about a 50:50 contribution was on April 15th, 2010, when they met then taoiseach Brian Cowen and ministers, the source said
  • Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse and the Education Finance Board.”
  • “Congregations are, understandably, unclear as to why they should be held responsible for the costs of the Ryan commission, etc. They would appreciate being given the overall costs of the redress board itself as an entity.”
    • isabella R
      isabella R on 26 Aug 12
       
      I am appalled by the depth of damage and suffering caused by a minority of clergy-I AM SO SICK OF THE CONSTANT "SURPRISE" OF THE VATICAN....No matter how many times it happens-they are always shocked!!!!!
  • am appalled by the depth of damage and suffering caused by a minority of clergy
  • The Report finds that the Diocese of Cloyne did not implement the procedures set out in the Church protocols for dealing with allegations of child sexual abuse in the period concerned.
    • isabella R
      isabella R on 26 Aug 12
       
      I have looked at the materials written by churches to educate children about inappropriate "touching", but have yet to see A SINGLE INSTANCE of a "bad person" approaching the child to be portrayed as a PRIEST.....
  • apologised for their failures in the implementation of the Church procedures
  • Structures have been put in place to reach out to every corner of every parish in the Diocese of Cloyne so that people will have full and adequate information on the safeguarding of children and on what actions to take if suspicions arise in relation to child sexual abuse by clergy or Church personne
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