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Shannon George

Teachers agree: Bad teachers with tenure too tough to fire - USATODAY.com - 6 views

www.usatoday.com/...08-05-06-teachers-tenure_n.htm

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    • Anthony Logan
      Anthony Logan on 02 Nov 10
       
      Are the lack of evaluations to blame for ineffective teachers getting tenured status?  If so, what can we do to fix it? 
    • Benjamin Caulder
      Benjamin Caulder on 02 Nov 10
       
      I don't have evidence to back this up as it was from the mouth of one of my credential program profs. but what he said was that for the first couple of years teachers have to play a political game to make sure they get tenure then once they have it, its a different game they play with the school and the union. Not all "bad" teachers are really "bad" teachers, but for those that really are my prof. argued that the system works if the admin is actually willing to follow through to the end, which can be as long as 2 years. Most admins aren't willing. Sorry I can't provide evidence to back that up.
    • ameia sarkisian
      ameia sarkisian on 03 Nov 10
       
      Yeah, that's really sad that administrators aren't willing to go through the process, however long and arduous it may be, to make the learning environment a better place.
    • Michael Horder
      Michael Horder on 08 Nov 10
       
      I have heard that as well, Ben. Admins rarely put in the effort to reprimand teachers. The teacher's union protects all teachers, good or bad. Admins are afraid to go up against the union because they have so much power. I think teacher's union might be the problem with the whole tenure thing. Another interesting note. If you look at the leadership of teacher's unions i.e. the reps. They are some of the "bad" teachers. I know this is true in Madera, and I have been told the same thing occurs in other districts. I find that fascinating. Bad teachers protecting bad teachers. Hhhmmm. Bad system maybe?
  • Tenure provides teachers with job security and generally is awarded a few years after educators enter the profession
    • Shannon George
      Shannon George on 15 Nov 10
       
      Sadly, tenure is being mis-used. The original intention of tenure was for teachers to have due-process if they were being fired; it was an effort to help. Now it has turned into a "job for life," and many districts have to treat it like that or they will have to pay big money to the Unions.
    • Ryan Williams
      Ryan Williams on 19 Nov 10
       
      yeah I have read this statement time and time again. I guess it would make a huge difference to students and the administrations if the tenure teachers were ineffective, but I just don't see a negative trend among teachers that have earned their tenure. I have had quite a few tenure teachers at Fresno State and they are not all old burned out senile geezers that need to be fired.
  • Anthony Logan on 02 Nov 10
     
    Tenured teachers are hard to get rid of, even other teachers acknowledge this.
  • ameia sarkisian on 03 Nov 10
     
    There is a section towards the middle of this article where they talk about principals not wanting to "deal with" the ensuing process after they discover a less-than-effective tenure teacher... I find that to be kind of a scary thought... The PRINCIPALS, the administration in charge of ensuring the best for our students, don't want to deal with the problems that they were hired to face if necessary?! I think that evaluating the teachers and giving them feedback is important for the teachers (especially the "bad" ones) but what happens when the people in charge of evaluating them feel like it''s "pointless?"
Anthony Logan

Firing teachers can be a costly and tortuous task - Los Angeles Times - 1 views

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    • Anthony Logan
      Anthony Logan on 02 Nov 10
       
      The most chilling part of this is that he kept his job after taunting this child (who already has issues of his own to deal with) and allowing others to join in on the taunting,
  • Anthony Logan on 02 Nov 10
     
    This is a very long collection of articles about tenure in California, and how difficult it is to fire a tenured teacher, even in the face of misconduct.
Anthony Logan

Discipline hearings for tenured teachers lengthy, costly - 1 views

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    • Anthony Logan
      Anthony Logan on 02 Nov 10
       
      That's a ton of money!  What kind of school district can afford that...oh wait, one with a lot of laid off teachers, furlough days, and a lot of under served students.
  • Anthony Logan on 02 Nov 10
     
    A look at just how costly it is to remove a tenured teacher.
Shannon George

A Brief History of Tenure - TIME - 1 views

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  • The problem with tenure, Rhee and other critics say, is that it inadvertently protects incompetent teachers from being fired.
  • Each state has its own stories: A Connecticut teacher received a mere 30-day suspension for helping students cheat on a standardized test; one California school board spent $8,000 to fire an instructor who preferred using R-rated movies instead of books; a Florida teacher remained in the classroom for a year despite incidents in which she threw books at her students and demanded they referred to her as "Ms. God."
  • And despite more than a century of social progress, the need to protect teachers from the whims (or the tyranny) of the community remains as important as ever
  • Shannon George on 09 Nov 10
     
    The article includes the ways in which teacher tenure began, as well as a brief synopsis about the conversation it enters.
Stephanie Flores

Dealing with so-so teachers - Quality Teaching | GreatSchools - 6 views

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    • Stephanie Flores
      Stephanie Flores on 26 Oct 10
       
      I thought this was interesting. This quote goes along with the articles on teacher tenure. I'm curious if the "weakness' that is seen in teachers is supposed to be compensated with parent involvement?
    • Michael Horder
      Michael Horder on 01 Nov 10
       
      So parents should do the teachers job! Should they get some of the pay as well. Don't get me wrong I think parents should be more involved in their children's education but they should not have to compensate for a weak teacher. Just get rid of the weak teacher or retrain them.
    • Anthony Logan
      Anthony Logan on 02 Nov 10
       
      I'm actually curious as to whether they (meaning parents) realize that these things are totally going under the radar and how helpful they could be.  I mean, at some point, the blame has to be shared equally.
    • Stephanie Flores
      Stephanie Flores on 05 Nov 10
       
      M- I'm on the same page as you. I mean I've heard of parents that are too involved with schools and their child (some have even requested to be in the class with their child!), but parents having to teach their kids at home when the teacher should be doing it is obsurd! I'm old school, so I'm all about getting rid of teachers who don't bring their all. A- Same here. I was wondering if parents were aware of what was going on in the school. Also, I don't remember seeing a state, city, district, etc. that said where this "supplementing" was occuring. I agree that if things stay on this path blame will be on both parties and it will be the student that suffers.
    • Shannon George
      Shannon George on 14 Nov 10
       
      It could be because all of my research on Tenure, but the problem here is is THE SO-SO TEACHER! It is very frustrating to know that teachers are so protected that it is now easier to tell parents to pick up the slack then have the teacher fired.
    • Stephanie Flores
      Stephanie Flores on 26 Oct 10
       
      Ha ha!
    • Elvira Ledezma
      Elvira Ledezma on 18 Nov 10
       
      Strategic Support! As a parent I have encountered problems with my daughter's teachers but most of them don't what this kind of support
    • Evonne Villagomez
      Evonne Villagomez on 19 Nov 10
       
      I've witnessed the total opposite of what this is saying also. A lot of teachers become offended and angered when you try to suggest offering that kind of support . I think most teachers feel like it is the child who is not performing well and not them, but in actuality it is the teacher who is doing a poor job.
Stephanie Flores

Tenure Protects Good Teachers, Too - 1 views

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  • Stephanie Flores on 26 Oct 10
     
    This article is a little older but I felt the experience was important. Dirk Koorstra explains his experience as an educator and how teacher tenure has protected him in difficult processes.
Stephanie Flores

Delaying teacher tenure for education's good - 1 views

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  • Stephanie Flores on 26 Oct 10
     
    Marc Bernstein opposes teacher tenure and describes how the quality and effectiveness of educators is how administrators should determine its staff.
Stephanie Flores

Is Teacher Tenure Still Necessary? - 1 views

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  • Stephanie Flores on 26 Oct 10
     
    Alan Greenblatt explains how teacher tenure has changed in different states and whether or not teachers still need protection.
Shannon George

Rhee Tackles Classroom Challenge - TIME - 1 views

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  • They could make up to $130,000 in merit pay on the basis of their effectiveness--in exchange for giving up tenure for one year. Or they could keep tenure and accept a smaller raise. (Currently, the average teacher's salary in Washington is $65,902.)
  • Rhee listened but did not offer many specific solutions. "She was vague," Rhodes says. "I got the sense she didn't want to make promises she couldn't keep."
  • Shannon George on 09 Nov 10
     
    The article looks at the "local" ways that Rhee makes a difference, and the way that she may be too harsh.
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