separation of money and the state
The Role of Interest in Future Monetary Systems - Spiral Out - 1 views
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*money currency design interest vs demurrage scarcity abundance
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The End of Money and the Future of Civilization | Reality Sandwich - 3 views
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Legal tender laws and banking regulations endow the banking cartel with the exclusive power to issue money (as debt), which we are forced to use (through legal tender laws)
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money evolved as a reaction to the inconveniences of barter.
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Money is a sub-set of exchange, a period in the evolution of exchange systems where exchange was mediated by value representations, either in the form of tangible commodities or instruments of various degrees of abstraction.
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Exchange is not reducible to money and so when the history of money is abstracted from the history of exchange it appears to be linear, starting with commodity money, evolving through symbolic money, credit money and towards some kind of credit clearing system that Greco says is the highest stage of money.
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Nature itself provides all sorts of feedback mechanisms to regulate and control exchange but what is unique about human exchange is that humans developed their own systems to regulate and control it
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It has to be created, distributed and controlled, and these functions always fell into the hands of the powerful who used it to increase their power over the rest of society
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Where bank credit is used the monetary output has to be greater than the monetary input because interest has to be paid on top of the principal amount borrowed. Since the difference between the output and the input was not created at loan time, the deficit can only come from further borrowing down the line.
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This keeps the system in equilibrium as the full proceeds of production go to the producers and are not siphoned off by a parasitic class who play no part in the production/distribution process. The removal of interest from the equation not only removes the parasites, it also removes the expansionary imperative.
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Greco is not talking about a complementary currency here, but an entirely new exchange system that excludes the financial industry as we know it, central banking, fractional-reserve banking, the political money nexus and everything else that flows from removing the concept of interest from the concept of money.
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would nation states make sense any more? Currently nations map to the areas where their currencies operate
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This means the decentralization and democratization of the exchange process.
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Attempts to undermine that basis would result in class warfare in the form of "currency wars." The ruling class would appeal to its allies in government to quash any attempts to "undermine the economy."
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In an information-based exchange system when there is a transfer of value from a seller to a buyer there is no agreement between the two and no direct obligation on the part of the buyer to the seller.
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Another way of putting it is that traders must agree to sell in order to buy and buy in order to sell. Everyone has an obligation to the community to keep their mean balance as close to zero as possible. Clearing is the process of ensuring that balances remain at or near to zero.
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hmm interesting, not sure I agree, this enforces consumption, value should flow freely and is truly 'social' what does default look like in this situation, is this not a 'banking' function to constrain negative value from becoming more than a party can 'afford', not a zero balance necessarily.. more thought needed
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As there is no credit in an information-based exchange system and certainly no physical currency, the term "issue" has no meaning as well.
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Information can neither be issued nor can it circulate
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When the exchange system does not have any tangible or symbolic representations of value (i.e. money) but only keeps records of the transfers of value, the concept of "payment" is rendered meaningless
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The "payment" here is the settlement of a social obligation, not a direct transfer of value to the seller in recompense.
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who enters the transactions into the system (records them on the computer)?
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Sellers entering transactions is about as revolutionary as mutual credit clearing itself,
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bad debts
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As buyers of labour, employers are greatly empowered by the fact that they control the supply of money in their businesses
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When "employees" are enabled to credit themselves and debit their "employers" they are no longer part of a "workforce" but independent service providers with livelihoods.
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The Next Big Thing in Business: A Complete Web-Based Trading Platform
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the money system of today was developed and adapted for the industrial age. It has always been able to generate practically unlimited amounts of credit, especially after it was delinked from limited precious metals.
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It has also been able to produce more credit than is necessary for normal trading in order to cover the interest requirement.
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Growth has been possible while there has been the energy to power the growth, but as we enter the downward slope of the peak oil bell-shape and growth becomes more difficult, so it will become increasingly difficult to service the interest requirement. Because interest is contingent on growth, you could say that the "production" of credit also has a bell shape and maps on top of the energy production bell shape. We have thus reached "peak credit'"and "peak interest." This is a dangerous contradiction for a money system that can only work on the upward slope of the energy production curve.
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Until the computer revolution and the advent of the Internet it simply was not possible to have a purely information-based exchange system
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To be successful it requires four basic components: A marketplace A social network A means of payment A measure of value or pricing unit
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We are not provided with any clues about how this can be achieved, but it is unlikely to be provided by any of the "big players" today or a new startup until one of them is prepared to provide the service without expecting any reward in conventional money.
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This will require a huge leap of faith because the provider will have to believe that its rewards will come from providing the service alone and not from extraneous sources.
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Beyond Greed and Scarcity by Bernard Lietaer - alternative monetary systems - 0 views
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On Voles and Openings « flow - 2 views
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Once I’d stepped through, there was no going back, because suddenly I understood three things: 1) money was a human invention 2) this particular invention is foundational to all human social patterns 3) we can change it, and there-by change our social patterns.
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Namely that 1) money is information, 2) the pattern of flow of that information in relation to communities should be circular, i.e. issued within the community so it would flow around it, not through it as happens with moneys issued outside of communities. 3) That there must be a rich ecology of currencies appropriate to each communities circumstances. 4) That these currencies must exist in the context of a network that emerges out of an interplay between communities of function (what people do together) and communities of identity (how people see and name themselves).
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He had realized that money is a tool that focuses on building tradable wealth, but that tradable wealth is just a small subset of measurable wealth, which itself is a subset of acknowledgeable wealth.
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But it wasn’t until I came to understand Art’s deeper definition of currency, as “current-see” or formal information systems that allows us to see and interact with currents, flows, that the things really came together. These different levels of wealth, corresponding to the levels of systemic integrity, also needed corresponding currency types, to manage the different types of flow that are taking place at those different systemic levels.
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Regenerosity, which used the idea of laying down what amounted to a social network graph to record the changing relationships in a community, which is essentially what monetary transaction are.
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But what I realized, is that money is still very concrete, and just like pictographic writing. It’s not abstract at all because all moneys so far use the same encoding mechanism they always have for value: relative scarcity (just like all pictograms use the same encoding mechanism for meaning: shape) And that encoding mechanism is only really appropriate for tradable wealth where scarcity is a true for parts and products of systems. It’s not appropriate for the wider levels of wealth. What I saw is that we have no “alphabet” for encoding all the levels of value, and that’s what the open money system I’d been working on could evolve into.
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It appears that the greatest leaps in “novelty,” i.e. increased possibility that we know of, all arise because of the emergence of new embodied information encoding systems, what I like to call “expressive capacities”.
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Our current day money is to that new expressive capacity as the coordinating hunting grunts of some proto-hominids is to language.
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The rules for composability at each level are fairly simple, yet the variety of that which is expressible is infinite because of the combinatorial explosion.
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“Composition requires creation of a negative space, i.e. receptors for an as of yet unknown interaction.”