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    <pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:34:36 -0000</pubDate>
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      <title>An Antic Disposition: Cracks in the Foundation - IBM takes over ODF</title>
      <link>http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/10/cracks-in-foundation.html</link>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Comments:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Tahoma&quot; size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;An eMail went out today, October 24th, 2007, nominating IBM's Rob &quot;Show me your garage!&quot; Weir to be the new Co Chairman of OASIS ODF TC.&amp;nbsp; So it's looks like it's true; IBM is moving to take over ODF and OpenOffice.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Not that that's bad.&amp;nbsp; In the long run this is perhaps the best thing that ever happened to ODF and OpenOffice.&amp;nbsp; There is no way IBM's Lotus Notes business plan for ODF-OOo could be any worse than Sun's plan has turned out to be.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;~ge~&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/font&gt; &lt;small&gt;posted by &lt;a href=&quot;http://groups.diigo.com/opendocument/bookmark/garyedwards&quot;&gt;garyedwards&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;
&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Tahoma&quot; size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;So,
South Africa was watching closely the failed effort in Massachusetts
to implement ODF?&amp;nbsp; And now they are determined to make it work? &lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Tahoma&quot; size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;Good
thing they left themselves a “&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;pragmatic&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;” out; &lt;i&gt;“&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Tahoma&quot; size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;there are
standards which we are obliged to adopt for pragmatic reasons which
do not necessarily fully conform to being open in all
respects.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Tahoma&quot; size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Tahoma&quot; size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Massachusetts
spent a full year on an ODF implementation Pilot Study only to come
to the inescapable conclusion that they couldn't implement ODF
without a high fidelity &quot;round trip&quot; capable ODF plug-in
for MSOffice.&amp;nbsp; In May of 2006, Pilot Study in hand,
Massachusetts issued their now infamous RFi, &quot;the Request for
Information&quot; concerning the feasibility of an ODF plug-in clone
of the MS-OOXML Compatibility Pack plug-in for MSOffice applications.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Tahoma&quot; size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;At the
time there was much gnashing of teeth and grinding of knuckles in the
ODf Community, but the facts were clear.  The lead dog hauling the
ODf legislative mandate sleigh could not make it without ODf
interoperability with MSOffice.   Meaning, the rip out and replace of
MSOffice was no longer an option.  For Massachusetts to successfully
implement ODf, there had to be a high level of ODf compatibility with
existing MS documents, and ODf application interoperability with
existing MS applications.  &lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Tahoma&quot; size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;Although
ODf was not designed to meet these requirements, the challenge could
not have been any more clear.  Changes in ODf would have to be made.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Tahoma&quot; size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;So
what happened?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Over a year later, a few days after Sun
delivered their proprietary ODF plug-in for MSOffice, Massachusetts
announced that both ODF and MS-OOXML would be recognized as
implementable standards.  (Good one Sun.  Thanks a pant load.)&amp;nbsp;
&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Recent legislative hearings in Texas concerning a bill that
would mandate ODF as the only document standard, revealed something
very surprising.&amp;nbsp; There was direct testimony that out of the
entire Commonwealth of Massachusetts, only 24 desktops had
successfully transitioned to ODF.  Whoops.  Good thing they had the
Sun ODf plug-in :)&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;With Exchange/SharePoint developer
hubs going down everywhere, automagically converting binary
documents&amp;nbsp; to MS-OOXML, and the MS-OOXML Compatibility Pack
plug-in effectively enabling workgroup conversions to MS-OOXML,
things do not look good for the future &lt;/font&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Tahoma&quot; size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;pragmatic
implementation&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Tahoma&quot; size=&quot;3&quot;&gt; of
ODF in Massachusetts.  Or anywhere else for that matter.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Tahoma&quot; size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;The
needed changes to ODf emphasizing the need to meet the Massachusetts
defined market requirements of high level of ODf compatibility with
existing MS documents, and ODf application interoperability with
existing MS applications, were not made by the OASIS ODf TC.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So
i wonder just how closely South Africa has been watching
Massachusetts?&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Tahoma&quot; size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;Not
that it's difficult to figure out.&amp;nbsp; In Massachusetts it all came
down to the sprawl of MSOffice bound workgroups where business
process &lt;/font&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Tahoma&quot; size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;document
exchange&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Tahoma&quot; size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;
required this difficult &lt;i&gt;&quot;high fidelity round trip&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
conversion.&amp;nbsp; Not only does the ODF plug-in have to perfect a
consistently high fidelity conversion to ODF of these active
documents, but the documents had to be &quot;round trip&quot; ready
in terms of application use.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Round tripping is a killer for
ODf, with or without the inclusion of MSOffice desktops in any
workflow – document processing chain.&amp;nbsp; The specification was
designed to protect &lt;/font&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Tahoma&quot; size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;content&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Tahoma&quot; size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;
during extensive document exchange and processing chain use, but not &lt;/font&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Tahoma&quot; size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;presentation&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Tahoma&quot; size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;!&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;During
an effective document exchange, many applications must be
interoperable at the file format level.&amp;nbsp; For ODF this is limited
to &quot;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Tahoma&quot; size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;content&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Tahoma&quot; size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&quot;,
with the assumption that each application will apply their own &quot;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Tahoma&quot; size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;presentation&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Tahoma&quot; size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&quot;.&amp;nbsp;
Sometimes this is jokingly called the &quot;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Tahoma&quot; size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;let
a thousand presentations bloom but don't touch my data&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Tahoma&quot; size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&quot;
approach.&amp;nbsp; It's very consistent with the way document processing
experts view the world.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The &quot;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Tahoma&quot; size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;let
a &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Tahoma&quot; size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;thousand
presentations bloom&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Tahoma&quot; size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&quot;
approach is not however consistent with public expectations for ODF.
&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The public expects PDF quality of interop between
applications, where both content and presentation is preserved
throughout the document exchange process - unless and until the
owners of the document make changes.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This dilemma
brings us back to that age old problem of interactive (as opposed to
PDF static) document exchanges being totally tied to specific
applications - right down to the version level.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Tahoma&quot; size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;What
we found in Massachusetts is that the ODf implementation barrier was
due to MSOffice bound workgroups and business processes.  And it
wasn't just the year long Pilot Study screaming this.  They gave us
150 test documents representative of critical business processes
where uncompromising fidelity had to be maintained.  And yes, the
documents were filled with our favorite structural conversion
problems of lists, tables, fields, sections and page dynamics.  These
problems in turn can be attributed directly to the structural
implementation differences between MSOffice and OpenOffice. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let's
take this issue to a higher level.  The ODF barrier itself had two
problem points which we've expresses as the critical market
requirements for &lt;i&gt;a high level of ODf &lt;b&gt;compatibility&lt;/b&gt;
with existing MS documents, and ODf application &lt;b&gt;interoperability&lt;/b&gt; with existing MS
applications.&lt;/i&gt; &lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Tahoma&quot; size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;The
first was that it's impossible to fully capture MSOffice feature sets
and specific structural implementation models in ODF.&amp;nbsp; The ODf
container is simply not designed for the high fidelity conversion of
MS binary or xml documents, which directly reflect the MS application
specific implementation model of basic structures.  &lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Tahoma&quot; size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;Our
solution was the ODF iX &quot;interoperability enhancements&quot;
comprised of five generic elements for the structural basics of
lists, tables, fields, sections and page dynamics.&amp;nbsp; These
extensions were critical to any ODF plug-in effort needing to
establish the high level of MSOffice compatibility - interoperability
demanded by Massachusetts workgroups wanting to transition to ODF. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Tahoma&quot; size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;I
wonder if the South African workgroups are different?  Maybe they
avoided the past ten years of MSOffice's dominance as a developer
platform?  If that's the case, they can move directly to Linux
desktops running OpenOffice ODf.  There would be no barrier similar
to what stopped Massachusetts, California, and the EU-IDABC.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The
ODF iX eXtensions were not acceptable to the OASIS ODF TC.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The
second problem point has to do with ODF Interoperability in general.&amp;nbsp;
To be blunt, there is none.&amp;nbsp; Except at the application specific
- version specific level of document exchange.&amp;nbsp; And this is not
what the public expected from ODF.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To fix ODF
Interoperability, there has to be some level of compliance and
conformance requirements.&amp;nbsp; Today, ODf compliance is optional.&amp;nbsp;
Nor are there any test suite requirements, let alone anything as
strict and demanding as the W3C's &quot;CDR&quot; for W3C Compound
Document Formats.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Every ODF application has their own way of
implementing ODF.&amp;nbsp; There are no guarantees of interop, or even
basic interop requirements.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Still, OpenOffice 2.3
workgroups can exchange documents effectively with other OOo 2.3
workgroups.&amp;nbsp; Just don't try to exchange those same documents
with a Lotus Symphony desktop because Symphony is based on a
proprietary fork of OpenOffice 1.1.4.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The effect of
this is that a Lotus Symphony desktop (ODF 1.0) can't join a
OpenOffice 2.3 workgroup (which implements ODF 1.2) without seriously
disrupting the workflow.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now imagine the situation in
Massachusetts where they expected OpenOffice ODF 1.0 desktops to be
joining ODF 1.0 plug-in enabled MSOffice workgroups!&amp;nbsp; Or how
about Linux – OpenOffice desktops joining existing MSOffice
directed workgroups?  &lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Tahoma&quot; size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;To
compete against MS Server side systems, Linux server systems must
either figure out how to interoperate with the MSOffice – Outlook
bound workgroups, or, replace those desktops.   Massachusetts sent
out a clear message; the disruptive cost of rip out and replace was
far beyond the price they were willing to pay for much desired
freedom to choose, freedom to innovate, and the sovereignty over
their information future that could have been theirs.  And
Massachusetts understood, perhaps better than anyone, the value of
complete sovereignty.  They couldn't bear the disruptive cost though.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Tahoma&quot; size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;Compound
the matter with the reality that today, there are few if any ODF 1.0
- ISO 26300 applications, at any measure of compliance.&amp;nbsp; Near
all have moved to some level of ODF 1.2.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Compound that
problem further by understanding that ODF 1.2, as currently written,
will not pass ISO certification.&amp;nbsp; In May of 2006, ISO
Directorate issued a statement that ODF will not be exempt from ISO
Interoperability Requirements.  The good news is that MS-OOXML also
fails to comply.  But where does that leave the world?  &lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Tahoma&quot; size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;Confusion,
continuing ODf implementation – interoperability difficulties, and
the absence of a clear winner in the universal file format stakes
will leave the marketplace with only one option: the system default
provided by the MS Stack of MS-OOXML ready applications with
insidiously proprietary smart tags, XAML, WFP, TFS, and other stack
specific collections of dependencies.    &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is the
interoperability thicket that South Africa so boldly charges into.&amp;nbsp;
If the OASIS ODF TC, and the ODF community of applications do not get
there act together soon, odds are that South Africa will find
themselves in the same predicament as Massachusetts.&amp;nbsp; All
dressed up in ODf with nowhere to go but MS-OOXML.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;People have
accused us of overstating the ODF interoperability problems. The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/10/cracks-in-foundation.html&quot;&gt;lord
of the garage gestapo&lt;/a&gt; and his minions insists that these
problems can be fixed. Let's hope they are right.&amp;nbsp; Let's hope
that South Africa can pull off the implementation of ODF on something
more than 24 desktops.&amp;nbsp; And let's hope that this time, the ODf
community comes out of the blogosphere and shows up for this
important  implementation battle instead putting the entire burden on
SA as they did in Massachusetts.  &lt;/font&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Tahoma&quot; size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;A few
more failures like Massachusetts and Microsoft is going to be
wondering why they ever went through the problems of submitting their
proprietary xml to ISO to begin with.&amp;nbsp; Unless and until ODF can
successfully challenge MS-OOXML as a real world &quot;implementable&quot;
alternative, we're going to find ourselves stuck in the MS Stack for
years to come.&amp;nbsp; ISO approval or not.&lt;/font&gt; 
&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-bottom: 0in;&quot;&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Tahoma&quot; size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;~ge~&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;&lt;font face=&quot;Tahoma&quot; size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/font&gt; &lt;small&gt;posted by &lt;a href=&quot;http://groups.diigo.com/opendocument/bookmark/garyedwards&quot;&gt;garyedwards&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Highlights and Sticky Notes:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;content&quot;&gt;You must admire their tenacity.  Gary Edwards and the pseudonymous &quot;Marbux&quot;.  The mythology of Silicon Valley is filled with stories of two guys and a garage founding great enterprises.  And here we have two guys, and through blogs, interviews, and constant attendance at conferences, they have become some of the most-heard voices on ODF.  Maybe it is partly due to the power of the name?  The &quot;OpenDocument Foundation&quot; sounds so official.     Although it has no official role in the ODF standard, this name opens doors.  The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.odfalliance.org/&quot;&gt;ODF Alliance&lt;/a&gt; , the &lt;a href=&quot;http://opendocumentfellowship.org/&quot;&gt;ODF Fellowship&lt;/a&gt;, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=office&quot;&gt;OASIS ODF TC&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/odf-adoption/&quot;&gt;ODF Adoption TC&lt;/a&gt; (and many other groups without &quot;ODF&quot; in their name) have done far more to promote and improve ODF, yet the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opendocumentfoundation.us/&quot;&gt;OpenDocument Foundation, Inc.&lt;/a&gt; seems to score the &lt;a href=&quot;http://goscon.org/?q=node/516&quot;&gt;panel invites&lt;/a&gt;.  Not bad for two guys without a garage.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Tags:&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://groups.diigo.com/opendocument/bookmark/tag/foundation&quot;&gt;foundation&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://groups.diigo.com/opendocument/bookmark/tag/ibm&quot;&gt;ibm&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://groups.diigo.com/opendocument/bookmark/tag/odf&quot;&gt;odf&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://groups.diigo.com/opendocument/bookmark/tag/odf-civil-war&quot;&gt;odf-civil-war&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://groups.diigo.com/opendocument/bookmark/tag/opendocument&quot;&gt;opendocument&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://groups.diigo.com/opendocument/bookmark/tag/weir&quot;&gt;weir&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Posted by:&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://groups.diigo.com/opendocument/bookmark/garyedwards&quot;&gt;garyedwards&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:34:36 -0000</pubDate>
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