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Flow Document Overview

Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:05:09 -0000

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Uh OH! Look what Microsoft has put into the new .NET 3.0 SDK! Flow Documents is a Microsoft specific version of HTML that is part of the Windows Presentation Foundation Browser Developers Framework. XAML - XPS-XABL.

It also looks as though Microsoft has reserved MS-OOXML MSOffice level integration for themselves.

Another thought is that MSOffice is being positioned as a developers framework for Web 2.0 development. This docuemnt is goign to take some serious study. Bad news for IBM and Adobe for sure. PDF, Flash and AJAX are all going to be in the fight of their lives.

The conversion tools are going to become of critical importance. Some initial thoughts are that we could convert MSOffice documents to CDF+; convert OpenOffice documents to CDF+; and convert Flow Documents to CDF+, using the same XHTML 2.0 - CSS desktop profile (WICD Full). Converting MS-OOXML to Flow Documents however appears to be next to impossible by design. The easy approach would be to let the da Vinci plug-in perfect an internal conversion to either CDF+ or Flow.

It will be interesting to see if Microsoft provides a Flow plug-in for MSOffice. I doubt it, but perhaps there will be a demand from Flow developers. da Vinci could of course be configured to produce Flow Documents. At first glance, my assumption would be that the ability to convert native MSOffice documents and allication genrated Flow Documents to CDF+ would be the most important course to take. We''ll see. This is no doubt explosive stuff. Microsoft is truly challenging the W3C for the Web.
posted by garyedwards

Tags: cdf flash flow-document ms-ooxml pdf silverlight svg winforms xforms xps xslfo

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The Future is CDF | Metaphorical Web - Kurt Cagle

Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:27:17 -0000

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As editing increasingly moves onto the web, its safe to say that the document of choice will be neither ODF nor OOXML, both of which gain their power on the basis of supporting legacy word processing systems. Instead, what seems to be emerging from the W3C is something that is not an office suite because it didn’t evolve from one, but that nonetheless is capable of most if not all of the same functions that office suite documents pose.

Tags: cdf ms-ooxml odf officeopenxml opendocument wicd

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Play the tape!!! The W3C eMails to the Foundation tell a differenct story | OpenDocument Format community steadfast despite theatrics of now impotent 'Foundation' | TalkBack on ZDNet - Flock

Mon, 03 Dec 2007 09:47:37 -0000

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The W3C's Doug Schepers joins the discussion claiming that the Foundation misunderstood his eMail messages. We say otherwise!

There is of course one way to settle this: PLAY THE TAPE!

So here it is.

~ge~

posted by garyedwards

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An honest misunderstanding? Hardly! Play the tape!

Instead of arguing about who said what when, let's just go to the record and see exactly what the W3C's Doug Schepers said to us in an eMail introducing himself. Keep in mind that we did not contact the W3C or Mr. Schepers. The following eMail was most welcome, but entirely unsolicited.

Tags: cdf ms-ooxml odf schepers w3c wicd

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Debate Simmers on Why ODF Shuttered its Doors - Peter Galli eWEEK

Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:54:22 -0000

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Did the OpenDocument Foundation recently shutter its doors for good because it was unable to convince Oasis to support its converter, known as Da Vinci? Or was it because OpenDocument Format was simply not designed for the conversion of Microsoft Office documents, applications, and processes?

Tags: cdf ms-ooxml odf

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OpenDocument Foundation abandons ODF - PC Advisor

Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:48:03 -0000

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However, a recent blog posting by Sam Hiser, vice president and director of business affairs at the OpenDocument Foundation, outlines why the W3C's (World Wide Web Consortium's) CDF (Compound Document Format) is a more viable universal format than ODF.

Tags: cdf hiser ms-ooxml odf opendocument

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Former OpenDocument advocates bolt for W3C standard | Martin Lamonica

Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:41:09 -0000

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Great comments!
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Adding a twist to a high-stakes conflict over document formats, some advocates for OpenDocument, or ODF, are abandoning the standard in favor of the World Wide Web Consortium's Compound Document Formats standard.

The reason? Technical limitations in sharing ODF files with Microsoft Office applications.

Tags: cdf iso ms-ooxml oasis odf opendocument openofficexml

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ODF infighting could help Microsoft's OOXML - zdnet thread

Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:24:19 -0000

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Hey, great comments!
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As a result of the latest infighting, is Microsoft now all-but-guaranteed that OOXML will sail through the ISO standardization vote in Feburary 2008 because ODF â€” and its backers â€” will be in disarray? This has nothing to do with the outcome of the Ballot Resolution Meeting.

But we also oppose adoption of ODF 1.2 as an ISO standard in the form we expect it to emerge from OASIS.

Bad phrasing. We would really like to see ODF 1.2 succeed at ISO, but this would require compliance with ISO Interoperability Requirements. Today, ODF 1.2 is not compliant with those requirements, and we fully expect it to be defeated at ISO due to the obvious shortcoming. In May of 2006, ISO Directorate issued a clear and unequivocal statement tha tODF must conform to ISO Interoeprability Requirements. ODF 1.2 work was closed in July of 2007, without the needed changes. posted by garyedwards

Matusow sounds reasonable only if you are not a file format congnoscenti. He uses an appeal to ignorance. A single universal set of formats is entirely feasible from a technical standpoint; e.g., the example of HTML. But the chances of getting there by opening application-specific formats are dim at best, as the ODF experience teaches. You might acquire an entirely different perspective if you spent some time viewing the short sets of slides from the IDABC Open Document Exchange Formats Workshop 2007, which laid down the market requirements for 21 European government IT national bodies. http://ec.europa.eu/idabc/en/document/6474 (.) I particularly recommend Dr. Barbara Held's report to the plenary session linked from this page, http://ec.europa.eu/idabc/en/document/6704/5935 and the four workshop reports linked from the bottom of this page, http://ec.europa.eu/idabc/en/document/6702/5935 (.) Those slides reflect a lot of careful research into the issue you and Matusow discuss.

Tags: cdf iso microsoft ms-ooxml odf opendocuemnt

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Microsoft Partners with Atlassian & NewsGator - SharePoint Goes Web 2.0 - Flock

Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:58:32 -0000

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Pay close attention here boys and girls because here it is. Wonder why Microsoft is wealing, dealing and ready to shell out billions for Web 20 collaboration software? It's to tie them into the MS Stack of MSOffice, IE, Exchange/SharePoint, MS LIve, MS Dynamics, MS SQL Server, etc.

Grand convergence is the convergence of desktop, server, device and web systems. It increasing looks like were going to have to live with the MS Stack and the Open Stack of grand convergence interoperability. One will be able to have perfect interop within it's walls, with all applications able to handle the same compound XML document. The other will be totally unable to implement an inteoperable version of MS-OOXML.

Members of the MS Stack will be able to access everything in the Open Stacks, but outside systems will have limited (crippled) access into the MS Stack. Embrace, Extend, Extinguish. Here we go again.

~ge~

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4) Linking; Within Confluence, users can access SharePoint document facilities. By including SharePoint lists and content within Confluence, users can (in a single click) edit Microsoft Office documents.

Tags: exchange html ms-ooxml sharepoint w3c web20

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